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TrueLight
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…when we were already kneeling for or after the Sanctus (depending on the form), and when we go right back and kneel for or after the Agnus Dei (depending on the form)?
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MartyrForJesus
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Do you kneel during the EF? I can’t remember, and yet I was at a Low Mass 2 hours ago. 
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TrueLight
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Glad you brought up the low mass. There is a difference there as well. I was thinking in terms of the sung mass.Do you kneel during the EF? I can’t remember, and yet I was at a Low Mass 2 hours ago.
At low mass, we kneel through the Sanctus, Our Father and Agnus Dei (at least at my parish).
At sung masses we kneel and rise as described in the OP.
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MartyrForJesus
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Thought so. Never been to a Sung Mass though.
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Trishie
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We kneel for times or adoration and worship. It is a sign of reverence.
We stand as a sign of respect at the time of the Gospel and the recitation of the Lord’s prayer. The Gospel isn’t a time of worship but of teaching; and while the Lord’s Prayer begins with a brief act of honor to God, it is essentially a prayer of petition, so at these times, for instance, we stand. We stand at other times, like the Creed, a declaration of our faith, and during the Prayers of the Faithful.
We stand as a sign of respect at the time of the Gospel and the recitation of the Lord’s prayer. The Gospel isn’t a time of worship but of teaching; and while the Lord’s Prayer begins with a brief act of honor to God, it is essentially a prayer of petition, so at these times, for instance, we stand. We stand at other times, like the Creed, a declaration of our faith, and during the Prayers of the Faithful.
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liturgyluver
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I don’t understand this, though because we continue standing after the Lord’s Prayer has been recited and right through the Agnus Dei and don’t then kneel again until the invitation to communion.
Also why in some masses do we kneel throughout (see above) and in others we don’t. I don’t understand the inconsistency in posture.
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Trishie
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usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/roman-missal/general-instruction-of-the-roman-missal/I haven’t found a full explanation for the different postures. What I read in the GIRM was specific regarding kneeling but not so specific regarding standing, but perhaps you will find something I missed.
These gestures have long been traditional so fuller explanations may date to a distant past.
Someone may source a link for you, if available
These gestures have long been traditional so fuller explanations may date to a distant past.
Someone may source a link for you, if available
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Trishie
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davidmacd.com/catholic/catholic_mass_full_text.htm
Comment: Catholic liturgy calls for the involvement of the whole person, spirit, soul and body. The bodily postures that the congregation adopts at Mass–
whether standing, kneeling, or sitting–accord with the nature of the rites being celebrated. Before Mass begins, members of the congregation or assembly,
once they have entered the church and genuflected in adoration before the tabernacle, normally sit in silence in their pew,
perhaps after kneeling briefly to offer a few preparatory prayers. As Mass begins with the entrance song and procession, all stand in acknowledgement that Christ,
the High Priest, is present in the Eucharistic assembly to lead it in the worship of His heavenly Father.
The congregation remains standing throughout the Mass’s Introductory Rites: the Sign of the Cross and Greeting, the Act of Penitence, the Gloria, and the Collect.
These rites dispose the congregation to a grateful and attentive reception of the word of God that will be proclaimed in the Liturgy of the Word that follows."
Comment: Catholic liturgy calls for the involvement of the whole person, spirit, soul and body. The bodily postures that the congregation adopts at Mass–
whether standing, kneeling, or sitting–accord with the nature of the rites being celebrated. Before Mass begins, members of the congregation or assembly,
once they have entered the church and genuflected in adoration before the tabernacle, normally sit in silence in their pew,
perhaps after kneeling briefly to offer a few preparatory prayers. As Mass begins with the entrance song and procession, all stand in acknowledgement that Christ,
the High Priest, is present in the Eucharistic assembly to lead it in the worship of His heavenly Father.
The congregation remains standing throughout the Mass’s Introductory Rites: the Sign of the Cross and Greeting, the Act of Penitence, the Gloria, and the Collect.
These rites dispose the congregation to a grateful and attentive reception of the word of God that will be proclaimed in the Liturgy of the Word that follows."
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NewEnglandPriest
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Generally speaking, when the congregation is involved in “active” prayer it stands.
Secondly, its not the norm to kneel after the Agnus Dei. That is an addition to the GIRM by the USA and a few other countries. Most of the world remains standing…
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Usige
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I thought we stood for the same reason we stood during the Gospel. They are both the direct words of Christ.
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TrueLight
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Oh okay. I didn’t know that.
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Cat
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I think it’s appropriate for Christians to stand during the Our Father as a recognition and remembrance of our Jewish roots. The Jews stood for their corporate prayers (and I believe they still do?).
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ProVobis
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In the EF generally we stand when the priest sings. (Exception: Epistle) In Low Masses, the only times we stand are during the Gospel, the Creed, and the Last Gospel.
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TrueLight
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So in the EF, is it because we get up when the priest sings “Per omnia saecula saeculorum” and then “Praeceptis salutaribus moniti, et divina institutione formati, audemus dicere”, right before the Pater Noster?
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ProVobis
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I don’t think it’s written in stone (IGMR/GIRM doesn’t apply in the EF) but that appears to be the custom.
Nice Latin, by the way.
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TrueLight
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LOL, it’s called cut and paste.
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