Why do we still rely on Aristotelian philosophy and metaphysics?

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I am not claiming to have “defeated Aristotle”, obviously. That is a hyperbolic caricature of my criticism. I recognize his colossal importance to Western philosophy and civilization, and intellectually I’m not even worthy to kiss his feet given his uncountable accomplishments.

But that doesn’t negate the fact that he proposed many errors and fallacies as well. Geniuses can err, significantly even and especially given that Aristotle was limited by the scientific methods and knowledge of his time period.

And it doesn’t mean that I have no right to subject him to criticism either. Indeed it is precisely this idolization of him and his theories that I find so anathema.
 
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He got some stuff right and some stuff wrong. Same as most people.

Do you think metaphysics in general is useless?
 
Ad hominem, thanks.
There are many people out there who can’t consistently make responsible decisions without a great deal of guidance from another. I’d be rather surprised to find someone actually didn’t know anyone like that.
This is also not a metaphysical claim.
Since it was founded on . . .
That’s besides the point. The common sense observation that there are people who can’t direct their own lives well is not a metaphysical claim, whatever its priors are.
Besides, I was asked for evidence of his “errors”, any error. While I entitled it metaphysics (my bad), I’m really voicing criticism of his philosophy in general. So I rhymed off as many “errors” as I could think of.
Can you demonstrate any errors in his metaphysics?
 
The common sense observation that there are people who can’t direct their own lives well
That is not merely what Aristotle was claiming. In his Politics he stated: “The rule of a master, although the slave by nature and the master by nature have in reality the same interests, is nevertheless exercised primarily with a view to the interest of the master.” He saw natural slaves as tools to be used for the benefit of their master, saying: “a slave is a sort of living piece of property; and like any other servant is a tool”.

Ironically, his belief in natural slavery was itself based upon his teleology i.e. there are some people who are naturally inferior whose purpose or end is to be enslaved “primarily with a view to the interest” of the inherently superior, as he noted: “[T]he lower sort are by nature slaves, and it is better for them as for all inferiors that they should be under the rule of a master” with the inevitable corollary being that they have “no deliberative faculty at all”.

He was of the belief that the slaves have no reasoning power. And he justified all of this based upon metaphysics, namely the “ladder of nature” - which isn’t found in Sacred Scripture or Tradition.

How is this consistent with Christian moral doctrine or that man was created in the image of God?

It was the very idea condemned by Pope Paul III in 1537, when it was used by some errant Spanish philosophers against the Native Indians of the Americas:

The enemy of the human race, who opposes all good deeds in order to bring men to destruction, beholding and envying this, invented a means never before heard of, by which he might hinder the preaching of God’s word of Salvation to the people…to publish abroad that the Indians of the West and the South, and other people_ of whom We have recent knowledge should be treated as dumb brutes created for our service, pretending that they are incapable of receiving the Catholic Faith._

We, who, though unworthy, exercise on earth the power of our Lord and seek with all our might to bring those sheep of His flock who are outside into the fold committed to our charge, consider, however, that the Indians are truly men and that they are not only capable of understanding the Catholic Faith but, according to our information, they desire exceedingly to receive it.
Sepúlveda had been relying on the Aristotelian “natural slavery” argument, which eventually led to the papal bull Sublimis Dei by Pope Paul III, which declared that indigenous people were rational beings and not “dumb brutes created for our service”, incapable of exercising self-government, free will, and rational thinking, and therefore of receiving the message of Christ.

The Church has never accepted as a basis for slavery that some men are naturally inferior to others such that they lack reasoning power and, therefore, are naturally slaves. This was the premise of Aristotle’s argument in favor of the practice (Aristotle, Politics, 1254b16–21). It is clearly rejected by Paul III in Sublimis Deus
 
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Can you demonstrate any errors in his metaphysics?
The eternity of the world? That was declared an error in the Condemnations of 1210–1277 and is inconsistent with creation ex nihilo.

The idea that the soul, even the rational one of humans, dies with the body and is not immortal?
 
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Teleology is a philosophical doctrine which Aristotle understood to imply that all of nature was essentially goal-oriented
It’s clear that things act to particular ends and express particular qualities as a consequence.

Beginning with the fact that physical reality is not necessary, Aquinas, a student of Aristotle, basically said that physical things exist and behave in particular ways and express particular qualities only potentially. Because these events happen potentially means that they do not necessarily exist that way in so far as they are not the cause of their own nature. Since these things do not have a mind to express themselves in this or that manner, then their behavior is only explicable if physical reality in general is designed to behave in the various and particular ways that we have come to call the laws of physics. And in this sense physical reality is most certainly goal orientated, and the cause is most certainly intelligent. Otherwise, there is no reason why things behave the way they do or express the qualities that they have; it just comes out of nothing without a cause…

This in no way conflicts with science although it does conflict with metaphysical naturalism, which would have to say in its defense that physical reality is necessary, and the laws of physical behavior is just an inexplicable brute fact. But the scientific method itself cannot speak on the subject either way. It’s a metaphysical qeustion since the scientific method cannot in principle explain the existence of physical laws, it can only discover the existence of physical laws.
 
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I think your rational soul is in an uproar. Stop with the anathemas. Be calm. Sit back, pour yourself a glass of wine and read some So-crates. All is well. 😀
 
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He has been misled into thinking that science at some point removed the need of metaphysics, but metaphysics was never designed to supplant physics, which is why its called metaphysics. So, i am genuinely confused as to why this thread even exists.
 
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My thoughts for what it is worth (probably not much on this topic) is that people need a conceptual model to reference when thinking about reality like Newton’s mechanical clocklike universe.

I think quantum physics does show interesting facts such as a break with causality (relative to our experience) but that we have not agreed on a conceptual model from which to teach it, which will then be grasped easily by everyone.

My model for the results of quantum physics experiments is the computer program which fits in well with observed results and brought me back to Christianity.
 
Sorry I’m a bit simple minded so I don’t understand all these complicated philosophy. But perhaps a practical example will help.

Can you give an example of a catholic theological viewpoint that should be changed now due to your point about Aristotelian philosophy being outdated?
 
Q. If the world is made up of “things”, why do they act the way they do?

Rather than explaining “things” in terms of their alleged purpose or goal as per our buddy Aristotle, scientists came to realize that “things” should instead be explained by means of mechanistic processes and formal properties. Dysteleology, not teleology. The world consists of things, which obey rules.
That is a profound observation.
Can you advise sources where the meme comes from?
 
If you are serious about studying this further, you’ll find several articles written by top level scholars of the Vatican here: http://inters.org/interdisciplinary-encyclopedia

That’s a link to the documents from the Interdisciplinary Encyclopedia of Religion & Science by the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross.

Some articles you should read: “nature,” “unity of knowledge,” “science and the Catholic Church’s mission,” “quantum mechanics,” and “natural sciences in the work of theologians.”

A quote from the article “natural sciences in the work of theologians:”

"A fresh appreciation of Thomas Aquinas’s method and spirit may therefore turn out to be useful for the current renewal of a theological approach to scientific learning, in spite of the gap separating us from the historical context in which he lived and worked. A recommendation by Pope John Paul II is no doubt explicit in this respect: “Contemporary developments in science challenge theology far more deeply than did the introduction of Aristotle into Western Europe in the thirteenth century. Yet these developments also offer to theology a potentially important resource. Just as Aristotelian philosophy, through the ministry of such great scholars as St. Thomas Aquinas, ultimately came to shape some of the most profound expressions of theological doctrine, so can we not hope that the sciences of today, along with all forms of human knowing, may invigorate and inform those parts of the theological enterprise that bear on the relation of nature, humanity and God?” (John Paul II, Letter to the Director of the Vatican Observatory, June 1, 1988).

Who knows, maybe by studying this material you can become the Church’s next St. Thomas Aquinas?
 
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