Why Do We Take The Bible Literally ?

[Bill_Pick]

Other religions thank the bible is the true word of God, and think thay will be doing a injustice to God if thay dont take it literally John 1:1 through 16 is a perfect example how the word was with God and then became flesh. That why thay take it so literally and thay take what thay want to believe out of it, like Luke when Gabriel told Mary about her being chosen to be the mother of God or the messiah thay think Mary should not be recognized like the catholics see her, because thay believe that she became a wife after the birth of christ,thay miss the point blessed virgin Mary not blessed mother Mary. God bless you all. warden

This is My body ect. Hmmmm

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Hello MelanieAnne

When I discern the signs of that sort of behavior, I do not engage, or I limit the engagement to only the most important issues. By declining to answer you on some of your items, or declining to itemize for you those items that you have mischaracterized, I am not “admitting” everything is your post is true, I am declining to play the game as I consider it unproductive.

I am not reluctant to discuss anything, but it is pointless to engage in dialog when one of the parties isn’t truly interested in meaningful dialog.

 

[jake23]

Hello MelanieAnne
MelanieAnne;4878991:

When I discern the signs of that sort of behavior, I do not engage, or I limit the engagement to only the most important issues. By declining to answer you on some of your items, or declining to itemize for you those items that you have mischaracterized,

I am not “admitting” everything is your post is true, I am declining to play the game as I consider it unproductive.

This last statement is quit true and since you insist on calling me a liar that person would be you.

Here is your quote. You state that I gave mis-information once and you say that I mis-characterize twice. In this very post which I have underlined above you say that I have mischaracterized. This amounts to calling me a liar

Jesus did not place His perfect sacrifice at the whim of sinful man.The first time I posted Canon XI of the Council of Trent was in answer to one of your posts not an earlier discussion and what it says that the intention of the priest must be present in order for a sacrament to be valid says just that. That Christs perfect sacrifice is subject to the whimful intention of a sinner priest. That is why I say that this mass as you call it is an invention of man and is not what Christ intended at all

Wow, It’s not like I didn’t see this comming. You seem to bail whenever you encounter the truth. At least you wish me a nice life. Thank you for that, but somehow I’m thinking that you are less than sincere. Well, I’ll be around if you really want to have a meaningful dialogue, but I’m making a rule. No more accusations of any kind. A bit of advice keep seeking, asking, knocking, because you haven’t found Him yet. Have a blessed life and I really mean that.

In Christ Richard

Richy! Come on now when are going to be honest? You have been intintionaly avoiding a few of my questions now and your going to make a comment like that! If anyone is trying to escape the truth it is you! Come on now richy quet the games now!

In christ for real!
Jdo

 

[MelanieAnne]

Richard Kastner;4880499:

Hello MelanieAnne

Richy! Come on now when are going to be honest? You have been intintionaly avoiding a few of my questions now and your going to make a comment like that! If anyone is trying to escape the truth it is you! Come on now richy quet the games now!

In christ for real!
Jdo

Jake, this is why I put such persons on ignore. Some posters to this forum are not truly interested in meaningful dialog. Some often seek, at the very least, to inflame the rhetoric (this has been done more than once, just to me in the last few posts, seeking to twist what I have said into something more dramatic and inflammatory which very neatly serves the purpose of someone who appears to be more interested in conflict than in dialog.) After a while, I find the whole nonsense rather tiresome and put them on ignore.

Even after that, some persons will continue to try to bait, by posting things that are even more inflammatory, trying to entice someone away from ignoring them ~ you often find this out by other posters quoting them so you end up seeing their posts anyway. It’s really just a desperate bid for attention, nothing more, and can be put aside just as we put away other childish things.

Of course I cannot see into the heart of any other person, so I am just going on experience and overt behavior here. But the constant baiting, the inflammatory rhetoric and appeals to victimization are not signs that someone is interested in productive dialog. I submit that our time can be used more productively than in engaging in meaningless exchanges with persons who show themselves to be only interested in arguing for the sake of arguing, and not for any productive purpose.

 

[maryrev12]

Hello MelanieAnne
MelanieAnne;4878991:

When I discern the signs of that sort of behavior, I do not engage, or I limit the engagement to only the most important issues. By declining to answer you on some of your items, or declining to itemize for you those items that you have mischaracterized,

I am not “admitting” everything is your post is true, I am declining to play the game as I consider it unproductive.

This last statement is quit true and since you insist on calling me a liar that person would be you.

Here is your quote. You state that I gave mis-information once and you say that I mis-characterize twice. In this very post which I have underlined above you say that I have mischaracterized. This amounts to calling me a liar

Jesus did not place His perfect sacrifice at the whim of sinful man.The first time I posted Canon XI of the Council of Trent was in answer to one of your posts not an earlier discussion and what it says that the intention of the priest must be present in order for a sacrament to be valid says just that. That Christs perfect sacrifice is subject to the whimful intention of a sinner priest. That is why I say that this mass as you call it is an invention of man and is not what Christ intended at all

Wow, It’s not like I didn’t see this comming. You seem to bail whenever you encounter the truth. At least you wish me a nice life. Thank you for that, but somehow I’m thinking that you are less than sincere. Well, I’ll be around if you really want to have a meaningful dialogue, but I’m making a rule. No more accusations of any kind. A bit of advice keep seeking, asking, knocking, because you haven’t found Him yet. Have a blessed life and I really mean that.

In Christ Richard

We believe in One God the Father Almighty maker of heaven and earth…we believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only Son of God eternally begotten of the Father… for our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered died and was buried. On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of God the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit the Lord giver of life who proceeds fro the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified…we acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.

According to scripture we are brothers and sisters if we believe this- is that not in the scriptures Richard?

Only difference is we believe the Bible- in its entirety. We know from whence it came- His Church. NOT YOURS. His Church gave us the Holy Scriptures. We have repented of our schismatic ways and have humbled ourselves. You fight so hard against us to prove us wrong because IF YOU DO NOT- YOU PROVE YOU ARE WRONG. And your pride can not take that.
Thank God our God has an ocean of mercy. He did not leave us orphans… he did not leave us with whimsical leaders. He left a real Church; he called it His bride… His body. It is united. It is eternal. Not because we want it but because he made it so. UNITED. In accordance with scripture. Leave your independance behind. Humble yourself. I know its tough but if you are sincere you can do it with His help.

God loves you!

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Hello Mary

We believe in One God the Father Almighty maker of heaven and earth…we believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only Son of God eternally begotten of the Father… for our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered died and was buried. On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of God the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit the Lord giver of life who proceeds fro the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified…we acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.

According to scripture we are brothers and sisters if we believe this- is that not in the scriptures Richard?

Only difference is we believe the Bible- in its entirety. We know from whence it came- His Church. NOT YOURS. His Church gave us the Holy Scriptures. We have repented of our schismatic ways and have humbled ourselves. You fight so hard against us to prove us wrong because IF YOU DO NOT- YOU PROVE YOU ARE WRONG. And your pride can not take that.
Thank God our God has an ocean of mercy. He did not leave us orphans… he did not leave us with whimsical leaders. He left a real Church; he called it His bride… His body. It is united. It is eternal. Not because we want it but because he made it so. UNITED. In accordance with scripture. Leave your independance behind. Humble yourself. I know its tough but if you are sincere you can do it with His help.

God loves you!

I just went through a series of posts with MelanieAnne which went absolutely nowhere for the simple reason that she felt compelled to throw out unfounded accusations. I am not willing to go through that again. I sense in you at least a willingness to be sincere. If we are to have any discourse at all I’m setting done one rule and that is that there be NO ACCUSATIONS OF ANY KIND. That includes calling each other prideful. If you agree we can continue, If not, Have a nice day.

In Christ Richard

 

[Bill_Pick]

Hello Mary

I just went through a series of posts with MelanieAnne which went absolutely nowhere for the simple reason that she felt compelled to throw out unfounded accusations. I am not willing to go through that again. I sense in you at least a willingness to be sincere. If we are to have any discourse at all I’m setting done one rule and that is that there be NO ACCUSATIONS OF ANY KIND. That includes calling each other prideful. If you agree we can continue, If not, Have a nice day.

In Christ Richard

RICHARD Was this post for me or some one else,most of the time Melaine Ann is very good at answering questions so I do not know what was wrong I for one thinks she does a very good job. Have a great day

 

[maryrev12]

Hello Mary

I just went through a series of posts with MelanieAnne which went absolutely nowhere for the simple reason that she felt compelled to throw out unfounded accusations. I am not willing to go through that again. I sense in you at least a willingness to be sincere. If we are to have any discourse at all I’m setting done one rule and that is that there be NO ACCUSATIONS OF ANY KIND. That includes calling each other prideful. If you agree we can continue, If not, Have a nice day.

In Christ Richard

Scripture states repeatedly that Jesus established a Church-

“And he gave some apostles, and some prophets, and other some evangelists, and other some pastors and doctors, For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ.”— Eph.4:11,12

Scripture clearly states that Peter was its first leader

“And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”— Mt. 16:18,19

The Church has the Authority of Jesus

“We are of God. He that knoweth God, heareth us. He that is not of God, heareth us not. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.”— 1 Jn. 4: 6

“Obey them that have the rule over you and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.”— Heb. 13: 17

"These things speak, and exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.— Titus 2:15

“Take heed to yourselves and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood”— Acts 20:28

Ther early Church writings historically support the authority and its hierachy. Pope Clement the 2nd Pope ( who is also mentioned in the scriptures)

“Owing to the sudden and repeated calamities and misfortunes which have befallen us, we must acknowledge that we have been somewhat tardy in turning our attention to the matters in dispute among you, beloved, and especially that abominable and unholy sedition, alien and foreign to the elect of God, which a few rash and self-willed persons have inflamed.” “Accept our counsel and you will have nothing to regret. . . . If anyone disobey the things which have been said by him [God] through us *, let them know that they will involve themselves in transgression and in no small danger.” “You will afford us joy and gladness if being obedient to the things which we have written through the Holy Spirit, you will root out the wicked passion of jealousy” (Letter to the Corinthians 1:1, 58:2-59:1, 63:2 [A.D. 80]).

PRIESTS
Acts 14:23 And when they had ordained to them priests* in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, in whom they believed.

SEE ALSO 1 Tim. 5:17; Jas. 5:14–15

THe very act of reading involves interpretation. If each person was given the Holy Spirit to interpret the scriptures- why do so many disagree? Does the Holy Spirit teach different and opposing truths?? NO. The scriptures do not support independant interpretations- on the contrary:

“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.”—2 Peter 1:20

“And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, understandest thou what thou readiest? And he said, How can I except some men should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.”— Acts 8, 30-31

HIS CHURCH IS ETERNAL “And he gave some apostles, and some prophets, and other some evangelists, and other some pastors and doctors, For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Until we all meet into the unity fo faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the age of the fulness of Christ;”----Eph. 4:11-13

So which came first - the Church or The Bible? The Church… which in turn gave us this Bible as a teaching tool.

With study you will find that the very Church you attack is the Bride of Christ entrusted with all TRUTH. As each denomination succumbs to the lies of this world such as birht control abortion acceptance of homosexual behaviour… you can watch as only His Church the unified - Catholic- Church- will withstand it. Why? Becuase God promised to keep it safe. It will stand through the ages as it has.

Try to look into it with an open mind- you will not learn of the beauties of Japan from a Chinaman and you will not learn of the beauty of this Church from one who hates it.

In Him-
mary*

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Scripture states repeatedly that Jesus established a Church-

“And he gave some apostles, and some prophets, and other some evangelists, and other some pastors and doctors, For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ.”— Eph.4:11,12

Scripture clearly states that Peter was its first leader

“And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”— Mt. 16:18,19

The Church has the Authority of Jesus

“We are of God. He that knoweth God, heareth us. He that is not of God, heareth us not. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.”— 1 Jn. 4: 6

“Obey them that have the rule over you and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.”— Heb. 13: 17

"These things speak, and exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.— Titus 2:15

“Take heed to yourselves and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood”— Acts 20:28

Ther early Church writings historically support the authority and its hierachy. Pope Clement the 2nd Pope ( who is also mentioned in the scriptures)

“Owing to the sudden and repeated calamities and misfortunes which have befallen us, we must acknowledge that we have been somewhat tardy in turning our attention to the matters in dispute among you, beloved, and especially that abominable and unholy sedition, alien and foreign to the elect of God, which a few rash and self-willed persons have inflamed.” “Accept our counsel and you will have nothing to regret. . . . If anyone disobey the things which have been said by him [God] through us *, let them know that they will involve themselves in transgression and in no small danger.” “You will afford us joy and gladness if being obedient to the things which we have written through the Holy Spirit, you will root out the wicked passion of jealousy” (Letter to the Corinthians 1:1, 58:2-59:1, 63:2 [A.D. 80]).

PRIESTS*
Acts 14:23 And when they had ordained to them priests* in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, in whom they believed.

SEE ALSO 1 Tim. 5:17; Jas. 5:14–15

THe very act of reading involves interpretation. If each person was given the Holy Spirit to interpret the scriptures- why do so many disagree? Does the Holy Spirit teach different and opposing truths?? NO. The scriptures do not support independant interpretations- on the contrary:

“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.”—2 Peter 1:20

“And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, understandest thou what thou readiest? And he said, How can I except some men should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.”— Acts 8, 30-31

HIS CHURCH IS ETERNAL “And he gave some apostles, and some prophets, and other some evangelists, and other some pastors and doctors, For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Until we all meet into the unity fo faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the age of the fulness of Christ;”----Eph. 4:11-13

So which came first - the Church or The Bible? The Church… which in turn gave us this Bible as a teaching tool.

With study you will find that the very Church you attack is the Bride of Christ entrusted with all TRUTH. As each denomination succumbs to the lies of this world such as birht control abortion acceptance of homosexual behaviour… you can watch as only His Church the unified - Catholic- Church- will withstand it. Why? Becuase God promised to keep it safe. It will stand through the ages as it has.

Try to look into it with an open mind- you will not learn of the beauties of Japan from a Chinaman and you will not learn of the beauty of this Church from one who hates it.

In Him-
mary

I’m taking by your post that you will not agree to my rule so have a nice day.

In Christ Richard

 

[maryrev12]

I’m taking by your post that you will not agree to my rule so have a nice day.

In Christ Richard

where did I call you any name? The majority of the content above is scripture! You have a wonderful day too. Its snowing in georgia- we are all blessed.

 

[MelanieAnne]

where did I call you any name? The majority of the content above is scripture! You have a wonderful day too. Its snowing in georgia- we are all blessed.

Mary, I recommend exercising a degree of caution when dealing with certain people. There seems, at times, a process, almost a script, of how many of these exchanges go ~

• You offer, in a spirit of charity, information on the topic at hand.
• You get a virulent response with accusations that you are ignorant or stupid, possibly both.
• You realize what sort of people you’re dealing with and you decline to have further dialog with such persons.
• You are then accused of cowardice for refusing such unproductive dialog.
• Sacred subjects, such as the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, are misrepresented by persons who do not understand the Mass.
• You indicate where there is incorrect information and make the corrections, avoiding any discussion of extraneous emotional issues brought up by others which continue to be merely argumentative and thus unproductive.
• Your words are twisted and exaggerated. You are then accused of calling people names and other demeaning things.

This sort of thing goes on a lot in this part of the forum. I submit that it is useless to attempt to engage in dialog with those who show themselves either unable or unwilling to engage in meaningful productive dialog. Some appear to be here just to argue for the sake of arguing, as if that sort of conflict is some sort of entertainment. I submit that we can make better use of our time than being the means for such entertainment.

 

[maryrev12]

Mary, I recommend exercising a degree of caution when dealing with certain people. There seems, at times, a process, almost a script, of how many of these exchanges go ~

• You offer, in a spirit of charity, information on the topic at hand.
• You get a virulent response with accusations that you are ignorant or stupid, possibly both.
• You realize what sort of people you’re dealing with and you decline to have further dialog with such persons.
• You are then accused of cowardice for refusing such unproductive dialog.
• Sacred subjects, such as the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, are misrepresented by persons who do not understand the Mass.
• You indicate where there is incorrect information and make the corrections, avoiding any discussion of extraneous emotional issues brought up by others which continue to be merely argumentative and thus unproductive.
• Your words are twisted and exaggerated. You are then accused of calling people names and other demeaning things.

This sort of thing goes on a lot in this part of the forum. I submit that it is useless to attempt to engage in dialog with those who show themselves either unable or unwilling to engage in meaningful productive dialog. Some appear to be here just to argue for the sake of arguing, as if that sort of conflict is some sort of entertainment. I submit that we can make better use of our time than being the means for such entertainment.

Yes… I see. But I used to be one of them. And what he mistook for an insult when I used the word “pride”- was actually a truthful assessent based on my own experience. We as catholics have one Pope. They have themselves as Pope. Thus their pride is damaged when that authority is challenged. How logical is it- to have each member of the body of Chirst - be the head? Too many chiefs! millions of millions of Popes- its completely illogical. But that was a key moment for me- realizing this simple truth.

 

[MelanieAnne]

Yes… I see. But I used to be one of them. And what he mistook for an insult when I used the word “pride”- was actually a truthful assessent based on my own experience. We as catholics have one Pope. They have themselves as Pope. Thus their pride is damaged when that authority is challenged. How logical is it- to have each member of the body of Chirst - be the head? Too many chiefs! millions of millions of Popes- its completely illogical. But that was a key moment for me- realizing this simple truth.

Mary I was Protestant once myself, but I never felt the need to go on a mission against Catholics at the time. It is curious to see this sort of “need” in action.

I agree with your analysis, it’s a very good point. The lack of authority has led to an array of Protestant sects and offshoots of offshoots. Whatever the reasons, that cannot possibly be what Jesus intended in founding the Church.

That lack of authority has had a damaging effect on Islam as well (not the same effect, but damaging just the same.)

 

[maryrev12]

Mary I was Protestant once myself, but I never felt the need to go on a mission against Catholics at the time. It is curious to see this sort of “need” in action.

I agree with your analysis, it’s a very good point. The lack of authority has led to an array of Protestant sects and offshoots of offshoots. Whatever the reasons, that cannot possibly be what Jesus intended in founding the Church.

That lack of authority has had a damaging effect on Islam as well (not the same effect, but damaging just the same.)

Its exciting to see so any converts! I thank the Lord for the internet I truly believe it will undo the reformation… it is my prayer. I bet if a study were done we’d find more converts in the last 5 years than in the 20 before.

Buddhist as well suffer divisions… for instance Buddha did not teach reincarnation.

What caused your conversion?

 

[Bill_Pick]

Mary I was Protestant once myself, but I never felt the need to go on a mission against Catholics at the time. It is curious to see this sort of “need” in action.

I agree with your analysis, it’s a very good point. The lack of authority has led to an array of Protestant sects and offshoots of offshoots. Whatever the reasons, that cannot possibly be what Jesus intended in founding the Church.

That lack of authority has had a damaging effect on Islam as well (not the same effect, but damaging just the same.)

Hi,MelanieAnne not trying to get off course but how did you get Rich so upseat I never seen some get that upseat with the truth. Keep up the good work,smile

 

[jake23]

Mary and mel you have been informative, kind, and sincere to the questions and god bless you for that, especially your patience!catholic wemon are great examples of love and patience!

 

[Fisher]

Why do non-Catholics take almost the whole Bible literally, but when it comes to John chapter 6, they insist it is figurative, when it does not say that it is?

you forget to read the last verse of this passage, which is John 6:63, which shows [Jesus] didn’t mean this literally?

“It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING: THE WORDS I SPEAK ARE SPIRIT, and they are life.”

In John 10:9 Jesus claimed to be the “door.” How do we go through this “literal” door?

The “door” which Jesus spoke of is NOT a literal concrete object, but abstract (cannot be perceived with the 5 senses). The Bible simply means that the door to heaven is THROUGH Jesus Christ! If John 6:51 is to be taken as literal instead of spiritual in meaning, then John 10:9 would make no sense at all.

When Jesus tried to explain to Nicodemus that he needed to be “born again” in John chapter three, Nicodemus took Jesus literally and was dumbfounded. Nicodemus was baffled, asking, how can I go back into my mother’s womb and be born again? He looked at Jesus like he was crazy. Nicodemus was not thinking on a spiritual plane, but earthly. Jesus was trying to teach Nicodemus a spiritual truth, but Nicodemus just didn’t get it. Just as Nicodemus FAILED to understand Jesus’ Words of Truth

In John 11:25 Jesus claimed to be the “resurrection.” Are we to go bury ourselves alive in the cemetery? Jesus claimed to be the vine, the light, the shepherd, etc. Matthew 10:38 reads, “And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.” Does God mean that we should literally carry wooden crosses around over our shoulder? Of course not!

Actually, there’s no need for you to interpret God’s word. He doesn’t speak in unknown tongues. He means exactly what He says, as He says it, where He says it. Always take the Bible LITERALLY, unless it can’t possibly be literal. In such cases, it may be figurative.

For example, Jesus said in John 10, “I am the door”. Well, we know that’s a figurative door, because literal doors do not talk. Always take God’s word literally, unless it’s impossible.

 

[Bill_Pick]

you forget to read the last verse of this passage, which is John 6:63, which shows [Jesus] didn’t mean this literally?

“It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING: THE WORDS I SPEAK ARE SPIRIT, and they are life.”

In John 10:9 Jesus claimed to be the “door.” How do we go through this “literal” door?

The “door” which Jesus spoke of is NOT a literal concrete object, but abstract (cannot be perceived with the 5 senses). The Bible simply means that the door to heaven is THROUGH Jesus Christ! If John 6:51 is to be taken as literal instead of spiritual in meaning, then John 10:9 would make no sense at all.

When Jesus tried to explain to Nicodemus that he needed to be “born again” in John chapter three, Nicodemus took Jesus literally and was dumbfounded. Nicodemus was baffled, asking, how can I go back into my mother’s womb and be born again? He looked at Jesus like he was crazy. Nicodemus was not thinking on a spiritual plane, but earthly. Jesus was trying to teach Nicodemus a spiritual truth, but Nicodemus just didn’t get it. Just as Nicodemus FAILED to understand Jesus’ Words of Truth

In John 11:25 Jesus claimed to be the “resurrection.” Are we to go bury ourselves alive in the cemetery? Jesus claimed to be the vine, the light, the shepherd, etc. Matthew 10:38 reads, “And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.” Does God mean that we should literally carry wooden crosses around over our shoulder? Of course not!

Actually, there’s no need for you to interpret God’s word. He doesn’t speak in unknown tongues. He means exactly what He says, as He says it, where He says it. Always take the Bible LITERALLY, unless it can’t possibly be literal. In such cases, it may be figurative.

For example, Jesus said in John 10, “I am the door”. Well, we know that’s a figurative door, because literal doors do not talk. Always take God’s word literally, unless it’s impossible.

Thank you for your post but if you are using john 6_63as a out you are very It sound like you are one of the peopel they are talking about in John 6-66
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

 

[maryrev12]

you forget to read the last verse of this passage, which is John 6:63, which shows [Jesus] didn’t mean this literally?

“It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING: THE WORDS I SPEAK ARE SPIRIT, and they are life.”

In John 10:9 Jesus claimed to be the “door.” How do we go through this “literal” door?

The “door” which Jesus spoke of is NOT a literal concrete object, but abstract (cannot be perceived with the 5 senses). The Bible simply means that the door to heaven is THROUGH Jesus Christ! If John 6:51 is to be taken as literal instead of spiritual in meaning, then John 10:9 would make no sense at all.

When Jesus tried to explain to Nicodemus that he needed to be “born again” in John chapter three, Nicodemus took Jesus literally and was dumbfounded. Nicodemus was baffled, asking, how can I go back into my mother’s womb and be born again? He looked at Jesus like he was crazy. Nicodemus was not thinking on a spiritual plane, but earthly. Jesus was trying to teach Nicodemus a spiritual truth, but Nicodemus just didn’t get it. Just as Nicodemus FAILED to understand Jesus’ Words of Truth

In John 11:25 Jesus claimed to be the “resurrection.” Are we to go bury ourselves alive in the cemetery? Jesus claimed to be the vine, the light, the shepherd, etc. Matthew 10:38 reads, “And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.” Does God mean that we should literally carry wooden crosses around over our shoulder? Of course not!

Actually, there’s no need for you to interpret God’s word. He doesn’t speak in unknown tongues. He means exactly what He says, as He says it, where He says it. Always take the Bible LITERALLY, unless it can’t possibly be literal. In such cases, it may be figurative.

For example, Jesus said in John 10, “I am the door”. Well, we know that’s a figurative door, because literal doors do not talk. Always take God’s word literally, unless it’s impossible.

while we all agree with you that not every statement made is to be taken literally I think you will agree that some are. Choosing which of these are - is largely the gap between the prots and the catholics. You believe you can interpret the scriptures yourself unto truth- yet look at what this has produced since the reformation. Does the Holy Spirit guide you? Then why don’t all of you agree in your interpretation? see 2 pet 1:20.

That being said- when we look at the passover and the rituals involved… you see that the actual sacrifice at passover was consumed. If it was not then the sacrifice was negated.

The Lord Jesus has made himself available to all ages. He is our sacrifice- and through the Spirit he is offered to all generations as the bread of life. The flesh counts for nothing it is the Spirit that gives life.

“For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.”— 1 Cor. 11:29

To miss this truth is to really miss out. As a former prot. it was partly what caused me to at first be angry with this teaching. I wasn’t missing out! The Lord wouldn’t let me miss this!? Precisely why the Lord exposed me to His Church in the first place. He didn’t want me to miss out!

Consider and study it- you are invited to this feast! Don’t miss out-

It is an awesome experience words can not relay- to respond to this invitation-

 

[maryrev12]

you forget to read the last verse of this passage, which is John 6:63, which shows [Jesus] didn’t mean this literally?

“It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING: THE WORDS I SPEAK ARE SPIRIT, and they are life.”

In John 10:9 Jesus claimed to be the “door.” How do we go through this “literal” door?

The “door” which Jesus spoke of is NOT a literal concrete object, but abstract (cannot be perceived with the 5 senses). The Bible simply means that the door to heaven is THROUGH Jesus Christ! If John 6:51 is to be taken as literal instead of spiritual in meaning, then John 10:9 would make no sense at all.

When Jesus tried to explain to Nicodemus that he needed to be “born again” in John chapter three, Nicodemus took Jesus literally and was dumbfounded. Nicodemus was baffled, asking, how can I go back into my mother’s womb and be born again? He looked at Jesus like he was crazy. Nicodemus was not thinking on a spiritual plane, but earthly. Jesus was trying to teach Nicodemus a spiritual truth, but Nicodemus just didn’t get it. Just as Nicodemus FAILED to understand Jesus’ Words of Truth

In John 11:25 Jesus claimed to be the “resurrection.” Are we to go bury ourselves alive in the cemetery? Jesus claimed to be the vine, the light, the shepherd, etc. Matthew 10:38 reads, “And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.” Does God mean that we should literally carry wooden crosses around over our shoulder? Of course not!

Actually, there’s no need for you to interpret God’s word. He doesn’t speak in unknown tongues. He means exactly what He says, as He says it, where He says it. Always take the Bible LITERALLY, unless it can’t possibly be literal. In such cases, it may be figurative.

For example, Jesus said in John 10, “I am the door”. Well, we know that’s a figurative door, because literal doors do not talk. Always take God’s word literally, unless it’s impossible.

if I may add…
Consider this:
1 Corinthians 10:15-16
15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.
16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a communion of the body of Christ?

The Spirit in response to the prayers of the Priest takes the bread and the wine and gives us in return the actual body and blood of our risen Lord!