Why Do Women Even Want To Be Priests?

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I already mentioned the Old Testament requirement for the sacrificial lamb; MALE, unbroken, and unblemished. Jesus fulfilled ALL of those requirements. The priest acts “In persona Christi”. Jesus redeemed Adam’s fault, i.e., sacrificed himself for his bride? :knight2:Adam did not sacrifice himself for Eve. He allowed Eve to be temped. Jesus is the perfect Adam. Jesus is the Bridegroom. The Church is his Bride. If women became priests would the Church remain the “Bride of Christ”? Can two women marry?
 
I think Sinead O’connor was ordained a “catholic” “priest”. At least by a group that she considered to be in communion with the church.
 
I realize that competition between individual men and women isn’t the same as competition between masculinity and femininity.

But several posters in this thread (such as Ed, Charlemagne II, and PetersKeys) seem to be arguing that women shouldn’t be able to compete with men for things like jobs, awards, and customers at all.
No, we’re arguing against the notion that she is not equal if she doesn’t.
 
No, we’re arguing against the notion that she is not equal if she doesn’t.
And I am saying that she is not really equal if she can’t.

Moreover, I think you’re making a pretty big assumption when it comes to Ed, Charlemagne II, and PetersKeys.
 
Why shouldn’t we? Does the role of priest require some sort of heavy lifting that us wee females can’t handle? Are women less able to understand and study the Bible? Are women, dare I say it, less than men in your opinion? What makes women incapable?
Well, part of the role of the priest is to emulate Christ in His Priesthood as the Second Adam - which entails looking male when naked. This is the part of the role of priest that women cannot (and would not normally wish to) do. 😉

If or when it becomes possible for a woman, dressed and acting as a woman, to play the role of the adult Jesus in a serious film or drama (not absurdist theatre like “The Life of Brian”), then, and only then, would it even become thinkable for a woman to become a Catholic priest, and take on the personification of The Second Adam.
 
If I did get that wrong, I apologize. But I think that we’re all saying that you can’t understand gender roles through a materialitic lens. Again, my apologies.
 
All right then Ed, you tell me:
How can women participate in capitalism if they cannot compete for jobs, customers, favorable reviews, etc.?
Allow me to present the following. It is merely meant to be illustrative.

“Hi. You’re a woman, right?”

Uh, yeah.

“Listen. What do you want to do with your life?”

I want to be a wife and mother, why?

“No!! Arrgh!!! You’ve got it all wrong! You HAVE GOT to be competing with men for a slice of the pie! What? You’re just going to sit home and be a pawn in the great race of life?”

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

“OK. See, it goes like this. Women MUST compete with men, cause if you don’t then you’re not truly FREE.”

Who the heck are you to tell me what to do? I mean, where do you get off lecturing me about what I should do with my life?

“Don’t you see? It’s logic. It’s logical for all women to advance the cause of womankind. You can’t let women down like this. I’ll bet you’re one of those women who thinks it’s OK to be submissive around men.”

What’s your name?

“What?”

What’s your name?

“Angry Atheist.”

Listen, Angry. I don’t know why you think you have the right to guide me in my life and what I choose to do with it in any way. You got that?

“OK. maybe I got off on the wrong foot.”

Ya think?

“What I mean is women, all women, need to compete. YOU MUST. Only in this way can you be truly free.”

And if I don’t?

“You’ll set back the course of women’s progress. Men will continue to do whatever they want and well… bad stuff will happen because you didn’t join the cause.”

What cause? Are you part of some cult or something? And what? You think I’m going to let anybody walk over me? Man or woman? Go psychoanalyze somebody else.

/end/

Peace,
Ed
 
Allow me to present the following. It is merely meant to be illustrative.

“Hi. You’re a woman, right?”

Uh, yeah.

“Listen. What do you want to do with your life?”

I want to be a wife and mother, why?

“No!! Arrgh!!! You’ve got it all wrong! You HAVE GOT to be competing with men for a slice of the pie! What? You’re just going to sit home and be a pawn in the great race of life?”

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

“OK. See, it goes like this. Women MUST compete with men, cause if you don’t then you’re not truly FREE.”

Who the heck are you to tell me what to do? I mean, where do you get off lecturing me about what I should do with my life?

“Don’t you see? It’s logic. It’s logical for all women to advance the cause of womankind. You can’t let women down like this. I’ll bet you’re one of those women who thinks it’s OK to be submissive around men.”

What’s your name?

“What?”

What’s your name?

“Angry Atheist.”

Listen, Angry. I don’t know why you think you have the right to guide me in my life and what I choose to do with it in any way. You got that?

“OK. maybe I got off on the wrong foot.”

Ya think?

“What I mean is women, all women, need to compete. YOU MUST. Only in this way can you be truly free.”

And if I don’t?

“You’ll set back the course of women’s progress. Men will continue to do whatever they want and well… bad stuff will happen because you didn’t join the cause.”

What cause? Are you part of some cult or something? And what? You think I’m going to let anybody walk over me? Man or woman? Go psychoanalyze somebody else.

/end/

Peace,
Ed
Actually, she’s more likely to be told that she’s being unrealistic in today’s economy, because she is unlikely to find a husband who will be able or willing to carry the whole financial load of the family. Women today have to work at least part time, to keep clothes on their children’s backs and a roof over their heads, while their husbands bring home the bacon and pay for the electricity.
 
Allow me to present the following. It is merely meant to be illustrative.

“Hi. You’re a woman, right?”

Peace,
Ed
You can’t (or refuse to) answer the question directly.

Good to know.
 
Actually, she’s more likely to be told that she’s being unrealistic in today’s economy, because she is unlikely to find a husband who will be able or willing to carry the whole financial load of the family. Women today have to work at least part time, to keep clothes on their children’s backs and a roof over their heads, while their husbands bring home the bacon and pay for the electricity.
Based on what I have seen of Ed’s writing style and philosophy, he considers things like that mirror details. Cultural purity and virtue counts for far more with him.
 
Actually, she’s more likely to be told that she’s being unrealistic in today’s economy, because she is unlikely to find a husband who will be able or willing to carry the whole financial load of the family. Women today have to work at least part time, to keep clothes on their children’s backs and a roof over their heads, while their husbands bring home the bacon and pay for the electricity.
“today’s economy”? There’s a group of men on Wall Street right now that should be lined up against a wall… and at least threatened.

The number one cause of poverty in this country is single mothers.

Peace,
Ed
 
Based on what I have seen of Ed’s writing style and philosophy, he considers things like that mirror details. Cultural purity and virtue counts for far more with him.
I spoke with a husband and father last night who is home schooling his kids. That is part of the solution to bringing Catholic values into the lives of, at least, Catholic children.

Peace,
Ed
 
“today’s economy”? There’s a group of men on Wall Street right now that should be lined up against a wall… and at least threatened.

The number one cause of poverty in this country is single mothers.
You can’t have single mothers without deadbeat Dads.
 
Actually, she’s more likely to be told that she’s being unrealistic in today’s economy, because she is unlikely to find a husband who will be able or willing to carry the whole financial load of the family. Women today have to work at least part time, to keep clothes on their children’s backs and a roof over their heads, while their husbands bring home the bacon and pay for the electricity.
Each to their own preference. I have friends that make the financial sacrifice, and what they get far outweighs what they give up.
 
Each to their own preference. I have friends that make the financial sacrifice, and what they get far outweighs what they give up.
Most women don’t want their children to be homeless. The majority of working women aren’t in it for the “extras” but for necessities that their husbands simply can’t afford to pay for.
 
“today’s economy”? There’s a group of men on Wall Street right now that should be lined up against a wall… and at least threatened.

Ed
But that would be a CHANGE Ed.

As I recall your against that sort of thing:rolleyes:
 
Most women don’t want their children to be homeless. The majority of working women aren’t in it for the “extras” but for necessities that their husbands simply can’t afford to pay for.
Sorry, I know times are tough. I heard that even the blessed mother did some sort of sewing to contribute. I’m certainly not saying that there is anything wrong with it! My reaction was more against the idea that a woman is a leach if she is not the same as a man.
 
Based on what I have seen of Ed’s writing style and philosophy, he considers things like that mirror details. Cultural purity and virtue counts for far more with him.

I spoke with a husband and father last night who is home schooling his kids. That is part of the solution to bringing Catholic values into the lives of, at least, Catholic children.

Peace,
Ed

So I’m right.
Well confirmation is always nice.
 
Father John A. Hardon, S.J. Archives
Priesthood

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The Catholic Priest in the Modern World:
A Living Martyr for His Faith in the Priesthood

Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J.**

You may rightly wonder at the title of this chapter. When I asked what I should speak on, I was told, “The Priesthood.” So I took the liberty of choosing the full title that I just gave you: “The Catholic Priest in the Modern World: A Living Martyr for His Faith in the Priesthood.”

What exactly are we saying? We are saying that for a Catholic priest who wants to be loyal to his priesthood in today’s world, he must resign himself to the life of a martyr. Not a few Catholic priests in the twentieth century have died a martyr’s death including, I am happy to report some 2000 of my fellow Jesuit priests in Communist Spain.

But that is not the focus of our reflection. Be assured that there are two kinds of martyrdoms, the red martyrdom of blood, and the white martyrdom of professing one’s faith with heroic courage in the face of virulent opposition from hostile forces in a society that militates against the Catholic priesthood. We could name a whole catalogue of obvious forces:
  • Like the rampant secularism that sees man’s purpose in life as ending with bodily death. On these terms, there is no need of a priesthood whose professed function is to prepare people for eternal life in a heavenly destiny.
  • Like the preoccupation with material possessions that typifies what we call developed countries like the United States. There is no material prosperity that comes from the priesthood.
Consequently, as a society becomes more secularized and materially preoccupied, there will be a corresponding lack of interest in the priesthood. Once flourishing Catholic cultures that have become materially wealthy, become proportionally de-Catholicized and, to coin a term, desacerdotalized. Vocations to the priesthood decrease, as departures from the active priesthood increase. As we might add, naturally.

The modern media in societies like our own are, with rare exception, not friendly to the Catholic priesthood. Or, more accurately, the media are friendly in so far as Catholic bishops and priests do not challenge the secular values of a society—like contraception, sodomy or adultery. But once these values are challenged, the opposition is a plain fact of contemporary history.

However, this is not, in my judgment, the main grounds for claiming that a Catholic priest must expect to live a martyr’s life in the modern world. I believe the main reason is the spread of alien ideas in nominally Catholic circles about what exactly is a priest.

Articles in popular magazines, studies in scholarly journals, lectures and seminars and even whole volumes are being published disclaiming that Christ never really instituted the sacrament of Holy Orders.

The key word now is “ministry.” Every baptized Christian, it is said, can be called to the ministry. The call comes from God, but through the people of God. They decide whom they want to serve their spiritual needs. The idea of being specially ordained for the priesthood is becoming a remnant of an outmoded theology.

Let me quote, at length, from a standard book on the subject, by a contemporary writer who is himself a priest.

**Ordination as a rite and ceremony that confers power or office does not exist in the New Testament. Ministry does not need to be empowered by mandate or delegation of a superior possessing power. The forms of “ordination” are subject to the dispositions of the churches in any given period of history. Priesthood, as a specific type of ministry, does not exist in the New Testament.

“Ministry,” or diakonia, is a nonsacral word. The early church leaned heavily on this secular term to describe its main ministering activity.

Ministry in the New Testament is primarily functional. It is concerned with doing, like teaching, preaching, or governing.

The historical Jesus was not a priest.**

Once you deny that Christ Himself was a priest, and that He ever instituted the sacrament of the priesthood, you have to provide for some person who is to celebrate at the liturgy of the Eucharist.
 
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