Why Do Women Even Want To Be Priests?

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Lol, you are snippy. The church could let a woman be a priest, but they choose not to. that is their choice.
LOL, NOL.
What part of 'the Church has no authority to ordain womenis giving you difficulty? 🙂

You want to tell me how “The Church” can ‘let’ a woman be ordained if it simply hasn’t the authority to do it? Does the Church do MAGIC now?

Tell me, sug. If an ordained (male) priest, even Pope Benedict himself, stood up at Mass and offered up a big ol’ mug of beer and a pretzel, said the words of consecration, etc., ==would the beer and pretzel become the body and blood of Christ?

Yes, I’m serious. What’s your answer?
 
LOL, NOL.
What part of 'the Church has no authority to ordain womenis giving you difficulty? 🙂

You want to tell me how “The Church” can ‘let’ a woman be ordained if it simply hasn’t the authority to do it? Does the Church do MAGIC now?

Tell me, sug. If an ordained (male) priest, even Pope Benedict himself, stood up at Mass and offered up a big ol’ mug of beer and a pretzel, said the words of consecration, etc., ==would the beer and pretzel become the body and blood of Christ?

Yes, I’m serious. What’s your answer?
No need to be a drama queen. And yes they could, but they chose not to. All they would have to do is let a woman become a priest. I don’t see how they don’t have the power to?
All they would have to do is LET her.
How do they NOT have the power to make their own decision?

Also too, I have no problem reading. Quit it with the big font sizes.
 
No need to be a drama queen. And yes they could, but they chose not to. All they would have to do is let a woman become a priest. I don’t see how they don’t have the power to?
All they would have to do is LET her.
How do they NOT have the power to make their own decision?

Also too, I have no problem reading. Quit it with the big font sizes.
You haven’t answered my question, and I put it in smaller font too.
Instead of name-calling, why don’t you answer.
 
You haven’t answered my question, and I put it in smaller font too.
Instead of name-calling, why don’t you answer.
Are you saying that the catholic church will not allow women to be priests because the bible says they shouldn’t?

The pope could come out any day and say that he allows women to be priests if they wanted.
 
Are you saying that the catholic church will not allow women to be priests because the bible says they shouldn’t?

The pope could come out any day and say that he allows women to be priests if they wanted.
You, my dear sir or madam, are completely wrong,

The CHURCH HAS NO AUTHORITY TO ORDAIN WOMEN.

The Pope may not ‘come out any day’ and say he allows it.

Again what part of “The Church has NO AUTHORITY TO ORDAIN WOMEN” is giving you trouble?
 
Are you saying that the catholic church will not allow women to be priests because the bible says they shouldn’t?

The pope could come out any day and say that he allows women to be priests if they wanted.
This is starting to sound an awful lot like truth by repetition. We’ve been over all the reasons why this can’t happen. Saying that the Pope could magically make it happen won’t make it happen. The Pope has a fair bit authority, but he cannot contradict definitive church teachings, as doing so would go against the nature of his authority.

I am also curious about your answer to the beer and pretzel question by the way.
 
BlueShadow, do you think a Pope can ‘rewrite’ the teachings of the Church?

Do you think that the teachings of the Catholic Church on faith and morals are man-made? If so, can you show us just ‘when’ and by ‘whom’ any given ‘man-made’ teaching came about and that it is proven absolutely to be ‘independent’ of God’s teaching? In fact, can you do this with the teaching that The Catholic Church has no authority to ordain women?
 
This is starting to sound an awful lot like truth by repetition. We’ve been over all the reasons why this can’t happen. Saying that the Pope could magically make it happen won’t make it happen. The Pope has a fair bit authority, but he cannot contradict definitive church teachings, as doing so would go against the nature of his authority.

I am also curious about your answer to the beer and pretzel question by the way.
So am I!!😃
 
Personally I have never met a Catholic woman who wanted to be a priest… and
I don’t get why you think this is because you feel the Catholic church is patriarchal…
Personally, I thought that too, until I started going a couple years ago to a Catholic church on a regular basis. I took the RCIA and am now in full communion with the Church at age 44…by my own choice.

THe way I see it is…I have never felt so respected and honoured as a woman as I do seeing myself as a child of God…and this change in how I saw myself came to be in the Catholic church…I have been a member at many other denominations and never felt this way. Also, I dont see not being allowed to be a priest as being treated unfairly at all.

But before I could come to this new understanding of what it meant to be a child of God as a woman…I needed faith…and this faith came…only by the grace of God…I wanted to believe and this was granted. I dont think that understanding comes until you believe…that was my experience and Im glad I found faith. THe fact I found it in the Catholic Church just tells me that this is where God wants me to be.

May the peace of Christ be with you…if you want it:)
 
No need to be a drama queen. And yes they could, but they chose not to. All they would have to do is let a woman become a priest.
Before that could happen, God would have to change the ontological natures of both womanhood and the priesthood.
I don’t see how they don’t have the power to?
All they would have to do is LET her.
Well, I could “let” you become a cat - but my “letting you” would not actually cause you to become a cat, even if you were to crawl around on all fours, catch mice, and meow for your dinner.
How do they NOT have the power to make their own decision?
They don’t have the power to change nature or spiritual things.
 
Before that could happen, God would have to change the ontological natures of both womanhood and the priesthood.

Well, I could “let” you become a cat - but my “letting you” would not actually cause you to become a cat, even if you were to crawl around on all fours, catch mice, and meow for your dinner.

They don’t have the power to change nature or spiritual things.
What does womanhood have to do with priest hood?
You are talking about leading. Women are not supposed to lead or so the bible says.

So if you are talking about that, then I understand. Thats not my point though. I’m saying the church would easily let a woman become a priest. Many people might not listen to her, but she could be one. I don’t see why not.

The reason she cant is because women are not supposed to have that type of leadership and you know it.
 
The reason she cant is because women are not supposed to have that type of leadership and you know it.
No, the reason she can’t is because her nature cannot be changed into the nature of a priest.

A man’s nature can be changed to the nature of a priest, under the right circumstances (not all men can be priests, either) but a woman’s cannot. It has nothing to do with leadership - women perform all kinds of leadership in the Church, and always have.
 
No, the reason she can’t is because her nature cannot be changed into the nature of a priest.

A man’s nature can be changed to the nature of a priest, under the right circumstances (not all men can be priests, either) but a woman’s cannot. It has nothing to do with leadership - women perform all kinds of leadership in the Church, and always have.
Well then whats wrong with her nature that disallows her to be a priest?
 
Well then whats wrong with her nature that disallows her to be a priest?
She is not male - she does not have the Adamic nature. Which is not something “wrong” - the female nature is just different from the male nature. It was given to Eve to crush the head of Satan, and it was given to Adam to be the High Priest.
 
She is not male - she does not have the Adamic nature. Which is not something “wrong” - the female nature is just different from the male nature. It was given to Eve to crush the head of Satan, and it was given to Adam to be the High Priest.
Yeah aren’t the males supposed to ‘crush the head of satan’ aswell?
 
What does womanhood have to do with priest hood?
You are talking about leading. Women are not supposed to lead or so the bible says.

So if you are talking about that, then I understand. Thats not my point though. I’m saying the church would easily let a woman become a priest. Many people might not listen to her, but she could be one. I don’t see why not.

The reason she cant is because women are not supposed to have that type of leadership and you know it.
Interesting. You’re presuming to judge other posters–and indeed the entire hierarchy of the Catholic Church–as being chauvinist pigs who ‘deny’ woman something to which she is ‘entitled’ --and you also seem to think that those same piggies have a power to do something which God Himself will not do.

Now you may say that God ‘can’ do all things. But you would be incorrect. God ‘cannot’ do an ‘impossible’ thing. . .for example, the tired old "can God make a rock too heavy for Him to lift’ blather. No, He cannot–not because He is not ‘omnipotent’ but because He does not arbitrarily establish laws (like physics) merely to ‘shatter’ them for no reason. (He won’t make ‘square circles’ either).

Now a person, once dead. . .really and truly dead, beginning to ‘rot’ if you will days later. . .is not, possibly, going to ‘rise again’. . .BUT a person who had once lived is certainly living still in soul even if his body has died. AND we know that all persons, even after death, will one day receive a ‘new’ body. Therefore, for God to allow a ‘dead’ person to come ‘back to life’, while it is certainly an act which is ‘impossible’ for man, is not impossible for God, particularly since He is most certainly going to do it for that man (and for all) after death anyway. So miracles like raising people from the dead are not ‘impossibilities’ for God (who gives us life and death to begin with, and can do it as ‘much’ as He pleases), unlike something like a 'rock too heavy for His ‘all powerful arms’ to lift, which is something nonsensical.

G. K. Chesterton wrote about this, better than I have, but it’s a reasonable point.

God (and we) CAN do some things because they are ‘possible’ things, and we cannot do other things because they are ‘non sensical’ things.

Now, women priests might ‘sound’ like they are ‘possible’ because MEN can be priests so why ‘not’ women. But God has already said, “The Church has no AUTHORITY to ordain women.” That lets us know that, like the oh-so tempting sounding ‘square circle’, squares and circles both being perfectly well known ‘things’ in existence, the idea of women pirests is a SQUARE CIRCLE–something that just doesn’t work even though theoretically one could speculate that if you have squares and you have circles why CAN"T an all powerful God make something that is both? But it is NON sensical. Not because squares and circles aren’t perfectly good useful things or that one is better than another. A square and a circle are NOT the same thing even though they are both plane figures or some such and share a lot of the same characteristics.
 
BTW, Blue Shadow, in case you’ve forgotten it, you haven’t answered my question.

If Pope Benedict himself stood up in Mass with a stein full of beer and a big baked Bavarian pretzel and spoke the words of consecration. . .Would the beer and pretzel become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ?
 
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