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mapleoak
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Excellent analysis. Not only are all of the seven capital sins covered, not to mention the 5th commandment.
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mapleoak
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That is why it needs to be made illegal and those who perform them need to be prosecuted for murder.
I am not even going to ask how you presume to know that.
Its always too late to have them. The decision comes in advance of conception.
Just like murder is here to stay and has been for all of history. It will be outlawed just the same.
Yes, we will do all we can to save lives. Why don’t you? Or possibly you only care about your own life?
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Carjack1
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As someone who has had a abortion, it had a lot to do with fear of the unknown. My mother raised me that we do not give any of ours away. So I was taught to go through with the pregnancy or get rid of it
. I wasn’t told about the regret that I would feel later or the guilt or the depression. I wasn’t told about the protesters screaming that I am a murderer and God hates me, while holding a picture of Mary. I thought I was being careful with condoms and got pregnant. At the time I was extremely promiscuous and I didn’t know who the father was. I was too ashamed to tell my dad because I felt he would say something to the the effect of “you stupid slut, you don’t know who your baby’s dad” like he would say when he would watch Maury
. I didn’t want to be that girl on television. :crying: I now think about how old the baby would have been and how the baby could have inspired me to change my ways Because it is a choice I could never take back. It is something I would never do again. I know my sibling was traumatized at 13 years old, when she was made to get hers by my mom. So hers was by coersion.
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love4mary
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My daughter murdered my grandchild (I still mourn, she never has ) because while her fiancée was serving a tour in Iraq, she got pregnant by one of his “friends”. He was scheduled to return home about the time she would have been 6 months along. Of course, this presented a problem (ya think?
) she had an abortion. BTW, they never married and now she is living with another boyfriend.
Even after showing the web site Priests for Life, she was not interested in changing her mind, would not even give the child to me to raise (I have custody of her son she had with an earlier relationship).
This was her reason for murdering my grandchild,and yes it was MURDER!!!
) because while her fiancée was serving a tour in Iraq, she got pregnant by one of his “friends”. He was scheduled to return home about the time she would have been 6 months along. Of course, this presented a problem (ya think? ) she had an abortion. BTW, they never married and now she is living with another boyfriend.Even after showing the web site Priests for Life, she was not interested in changing her mind, would not even give the child to me to raise (I have custody of her son she had with an earlier relationship).
This was her reason for murdering my grandchild,and yes it was MURDER!!!
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kmleo
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I want to apologize for my earlier post. I responded to the thread based on my experiences with friends and acquaintances (mostly while we were in college) who chose selfish reasons to abort. While I do believe that my list of reasons encompasses a certain group of women who have abortions, I largely ignored the women who truly are frightened or are pressured by others to have their abortions. I apologize to anyone who might have been hurt or offended by my comments. They were not based in compassion, because I get very angry when talking about abortion. This is not the correct way to live out God’s commandment to love others as myself, and I am growing more aware of the need to heal this side of me. Pray for me, as I will continue to pray for all you. I also encourage you to get involved in 40 Days for Life, which begins soon!
40daysforlife.com/
40daysforlife.com/
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sanctamaria17
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Yes but if they aren’t thinking straight and don’t think they’re committing murder but are rather just making a tough decision, they’re not going to see anything wrong with it.
OK, seriously, if you can’t afford better housing, your health insurance will cover abortion and not pregnancy, your partner isn’t supportive and neither is your family, you’re in the middle of HS or college and have minimal job skills, it’s very easy to feel like you have no choice. They could be afraid of not being able to make it with a child.
What if their health insurance doesn’t cover c-sections? What if their doctor is pressuring them to have an abortion under threat of refusing care? Sure, women have died from abortion complications, but women have also died from improper care.
Yes, there are women who do it for purely selfish reasons. But that situation doesn’t allow you to think straight and if you feel you have to go it alone, it’s even more grave.
Minds and hearts must be changed, before laws can be.
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sanctamaria17
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:hug1: :hug1: Prayers for you and your sis!
As someone who has had a abortion, it had a lot to do with fear of the unknown. My mother raised me that we do not give any of ours away. So I was taught to go through with the pregnancy or get rid of it
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HOPEFUL_IN_UK
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Why do you assume that I do not? I do. I’m pro-life.
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tracydaisy
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Yes, I agree that it shouldn’t be a choice between having a baby or aborting a baby.
I did type that they have no choice, but what I meant to say was they feel like they have no choice. I think many woman are pressured into it.
Thanks for catching the error Happy Person.
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Cari
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The women I know who’ve had abortions aren’t the type to come posting on CAF, or any other religious forum for that matter.
The women I know who’ve had abortions all have the following in common:
The women I know who’ve had abortions all have the following in common:
- atheist/agnostic/no clear religious upbringing
- raised in a “it’s your body/your choice” household
- viewed the baby as nothing more than a clump of cells and the abortion nothing more than having, say, a tooth pulled.
- were all engaging in pre- or extra-marital sex when they got pregnant
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tracydaisy
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I just wanted to make this statement clear.
- They feel they have NO Choice
I believe there are young women who have unplanned pregnancies and are afraid, and they go to friends and family, who tell them, you can’t afford this baby, what about school, what about your career, and so on. They are mentally told they don’t have a choice. The truth is that they do, although they are left feeling they don’t. These women are vulnerable. And if no one tells them you do have a choice, a choice to do the right thing. You can have this baby and raise it, or you can bless another couple with a baby through adoption.
I hope I’ve explained this better.
Thanks again Happy.
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a_cermak
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From what I understand, the highest number of abortions occurs in the 30 something age range among women who already have children. In fact, this group cites their existing children as the reason why they don’t want another–that is, they feel that they will make the situation worse (as far as economics, and may be time) if they go through with the pregnancy.
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sanctamaria17
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I know 1/4 of all abortions are done on Catholic women. I remember seeing that somewhere.
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Chatty_Cathy
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I know two females who have had abortions. (I won’t call them women, that given them too much respect) One had at least 3, the other - I’m sure how many. Why? Because it was nothing more then a tool to get someone to marry them or because it was inconvient.
The first female with at least 3: first one she had in high school… Was a bet on how many of the boy’s team swim team she could handle. 2nd one - trying to her boss (big $$$'s) to marry her but he wouldn’t. Third time: She was engaged and messing around with someone at school who had more “potential”, he dropped her but the finance never found out and they got married.
The second female - Similiar reason, ex-boyfriend came into lots “!!!” of $$$$$. When he was broke, she couldn’t care less but didn’t like the idea he was going to marry someone else when he came into money. Long story, lot of fraud and pain
Preventing abortion is a lot harder work then carrying a protest sign. We have a large extended family and everyone has someone they are confortable talking with. I have a few unofficial neices and nephews that we talk things over because they are too uncomfortable to talk to Mom and Dad. We hang out together and have fun. When things get bad, they have someone they are comfortable to talk to. Helping young people is part of being an adult even if they are not your biological kids.
Make the kids aware that life plans may not always turn out as planned because a minute’s decision can change the rest of your life. Watch out for the minutes or they can change years of your life in a few seconds.
The first female with at least 3: first one she had in high school… Was a bet on how many of the boy’s team swim team she could handle. 2nd one - trying to her boss (big $$$'s) to marry her but he wouldn’t. Third time: She was engaged and messing around with someone at school who had more “potential”, he dropped her but the finance never found out and they got married.
The second female - Similiar reason, ex-boyfriend came into lots “!!!” of $$$$$. When he was broke, she couldn’t care less but didn’t like the idea he was going to marry someone else when he came into money. Long story, lot of fraud and pain
Preventing abortion is a lot harder work then carrying a protest sign. We have a large extended family and everyone has someone they are confortable talking with. I have a few unofficial neices and nephews that we talk things over because they are too uncomfortable to talk to Mom and Dad. We hang out together and have fun. When things get bad, they have someone they are comfortable to talk to. Helping young people is part of being an adult even if they are not your biological kids.
Make the kids aware that life plans may not always turn out as planned because a minute’s decision can change the rest of your life. Watch out for the minutes or they can change years of your life in a few seconds.
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Tonks40
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Why did I have my abortion? Young, dumb, and scared.
Newly married, we got pregnant. My then-husband did not have a steady job; I had a good job with insurance, but I was not making enough money (so I thought) to start a family.
My parents were strong Catholics, and I had my abortion in secret. My sister had one, also, while in college. We never told my parents, for we knew that they would have been very angry at us. At the same time, we were never really stressed about the true sacredness of life, and were easily swayed by public opinion. We both felt at the time that it was a right we were allowed to exercise. How little we knew, and how weak our Faith was at the time.
We are now very staunch supporters of life because of our experiences. We both have suffered greatly to this day because of our “choice.” But we have asked our Lord for forgiveness, through the Sacrament of Reconciliation, and do our best to reach out to those who are contemplating this terrible act and to pray for them.
Newly married, we got pregnant. My then-husband did not have a steady job; I had a good job with insurance, but I was not making enough money (so I thought) to start a family.
My parents were strong Catholics, and I had my abortion in secret. My sister had one, also, while in college. We never told my parents, for we knew that they would have been very angry at us. At the same time, we were never really stressed about the true sacredness of life, and were easily swayed by public opinion. We both felt at the time that it was a right we were allowed to exercise. How little we knew, and how weak our Faith was at the time.
We are now very staunch supporters of life because of our experiences. We both have suffered greatly to this day because of our “choice.” But we have asked our Lord for forgiveness, through the Sacrament of Reconciliation, and do our best to reach out to those who are contemplating this terrible act and to pray for them.
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Ana
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I was very young, very stupid, and very scared. My mother set it up. I was not strong enough to resist, but deep down, I wanted my baby. I have spent the last 19 yrs grieving while hating myself for doing so. I didn’t deserve to grieve, I was so stupid. Why didn’t i say anything? Why didn’t I stand up to my mother? Where would I go? she didn’t want me to have it. I was only 15, and I didn’t have anywhere to live. My father would kill me. Who is the dad, anyway. My father already hates me.I’m in the car but I don’t want to go. help. Somebody. I need my mommy. Oh, my mom is driving the car. Somebody help me, my father hates me. Mom is crying, saying something about how this hurts her too. I can’t cry, i don’t feel anything except fear. A binding pralyzing fear. it won’t let me speak. I want to say something, STOP!, but my mouth won’t open, I have no voice. We are there now … nowhere … I still can’t talk ,my mother answers all the questions, fills out the paper work, what the hell is this boulder in my throat, it’s not letting me talk. I can’t say what i want to say anyway, that none of this is right, that I can’t breathe, that I want to go home, that I WANT MY BABY!!! They prick my finger, and I begin to sob. I sob and sob, but I can’t talk. I sobbed through the whole procedure. And I thought to myself … “I can’t live…”
This became a recurring thought for the next fifteen yrs. I didn’t know it was an incomplete sentence. “I can’t live … " I can’t live…” I can’t live…" The next part took YEARS to surface. "I can’t live …
… without my baby."
I can understand the implications of what I did without being called a muderer or a baby killer. But if someone feels the need to call me that, I could not argue the point, but only hang my head in shame and say, “yes.” This is now, 19 yrs later. There was a time though, if someone called me that, that I probably would have killed myself.
This became a recurring thought for the next fifteen yrs. I didn’t know it was an incomplete sentence. “I can’t live … " I can’t live…” I can’t live…" The next part took YEARS to surface. "I can’t live …
… without my baby."
I can understand the implications of what I did without being called a muderer or a baby killer. But if someone feels the need to call me that, I could not argue the point, but only hang my head in shame and say, “yes.” This is now, 19 yrs later. There was a time though, if someone called me that, that I probably would have killed myself.
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MDK
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Sadly, so it is that many believe in a lie to make their decision. Nevertheless, it is a tragedy. This highlights the importance of people needing the Catholic Church’s teachings and adhering to the full Catholic teachings, not opting for the cafeteria line of saying they are smarter than the in fallible teaching Church.
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exoflare
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Are you talking about all the abortions done in America? That would only stand to reason, since about 1/4 of all people in the US are Catholic in the first place.
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mapleoak
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Hmm. I think its because people who call themselves “pro-life” don’t deny the humanity and personhood of the unborn nor argue that situations of inconvenience to the parents justify the parents denying them personhood to allow them to be killed. I think it is more than an assumption. How do you define “pro-life”?
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