Why do you attend the Tridentine Mass?

[Genesis315]

While every Catholic Mass and Divine Liturgy is literally Heaven on earth, the Tridentine Mass makes that fact most apparent.

 

[Windmill]

As I have posted on other threads and other forums:

If you have to keep saying to yourself, “I AM at a solemn sacrifice, I AM at a solemn sacrifice” during Mass, then something is wrong.

Sacraments are a visible sign of an invisible reality. If you are at a solemn sacrifice that commemorates the death and resurrection of your God who died for your own sins, then shouldn’t the externals mirror the internal reality?

We are corporate beings, body and soul, and our worship cannot be solely spiritual to the neglect of the physical. We bring creation to bear in the worship of Almighty God via the Mass when we use matter to help us contemplate the mysteries of salvation and lift up praise to God. To demand that people worship strictly internally while ignoring externals smacks of Puritanism and “total depravity”.

 

[Missa_Solemnis]

It is worship par excellence!
It is in continuity with the Church through the 2000 years!
It is mysterious!
It is solemn!
Gregorian Chant!
Reverence!
Ad Orientem posture leading us to Christ, rather than a closed in circle worship of humanity.
I love meditating on the propers.
The silence!
Receiving my Lord on my knees from the hands of a priest!
I could go on and on, but I LOVE it!

I am excited to see what the future holds for Catholic tradition and the Mass of the Ages!

I believe [edited by Moderator], but one thing it did was give us a whole new appreciation for the Mass of Ages.

I look forward to the Motu Proprio.

Those are my reasons too

[Edited by Moderator]

We should all pray not just for a Motu Proprio…but a restoration of tradition in general.

 

[Missa_Solemnis]

[Edited by Moderator]

Im not a fan of Vatican II. I think it was rushed and unnecesary.

However…I never looked at it that way.

Come to think of it…the TLM does fit the VII concept of the liturgy much better.

Maybe the reason is because many if not all the fathers of VII never knew any other Mass and never expected any other…

Except well…you know who.

 

[ctos]

People didn’t pay enough attention to my reply: again, I attend the TLM when I can because I feel safe there. The rite itself may not even be the ideal rite. There WERE problems before the Council. The fact is though that in the Novus Ordo I often feel like I’m being played. Some clergy–not all–make me feel like I’m their personal experiment. But at the TLM, not at all: I am unambiguously encouraged to greater purging of sin from my soul and body. The Church teachings are plainly trumpeted to me there, and my fellow laymen in the pews are plainly interested. The TLM locations are largely devoid of that pestilence known as the lukewarm, who shall be vomited out on the last day. God forbid I should be one of them.

I attend the TLM because I feel safe there. It’s a respite.

 

[Ave_Maria_1]

I have no opportunity to attend a Latin Mass.

But I take my missal with the Latin and true translations and I read that at Mass. Finally I am able to really pray! I pray the beautiful prayers while the ‘diverse community’ ‘Sings to the Mountain’ as they did today. I prayed while they sang another song all about ourselves (we are seekers, we are such and such and so on). I am really coming to love the true prayers. So many shenanigans at Mass. Last week half the Mass was missing as we had a baptism. Lots of jokes and ad-libs too.

I have bought ear plugs as well because our poor liturgy on Sunday also has poor ‘homilies’. In fact this year already I have heard three money appeals. I heard that Mass is a gathering of the community too.

I am most at peace with my old missal there.

 

[ctos]

I am most at peace with my old missal there.

I have never found peace with this method. I have tried it a number of times and to no avail. I ended up being angry at the dissonance between the old and the new. Now, I try to appreciate the new when I am there, and I take some refuge in the old by going to TLMs when I can. And I try always to recall, the rite itself is not the issue. It is not!!

 

[Charleston]

Because I think the one of the prime battle grounds for the the heart and soul of the Catholic Church is currently being fought in its liturgy and I need to join the battle. Even if that only means attending my local indult-TLM at St. Josephat’s so its heating bills get paid.

I don’t see attending a TLM outside of a indult parish particularly helping in this fight. In Detroit, thanks to the hard work of the faithful (who I owe a great debt) there are now BISHOPS who are frequently coming to celebrate the TLM at our community. To me that is real progress.

Best, :tiphat:

 

[maurin]

I have no opportunity to attend a Latin Mass.

But I take my missal with the Latin and true translations and I read that at Mass. Finally I am able to really pray! I pray the beautiful prayers while the ‘diverse community’ ‘Sings to the Mountain’ as they did today. I prayed while they sang another song all about ourselves (we are seekers, we are such and such and so on). I am really coming to love the true prayers. So many shenanigans at Mass. Last week half the Mass was missing as we had a baptism. Lots of jokes and ad-libs too.

I have bought ear plugs as well because our poor liturgy on Sunday also has poor ‘homilies’. In fact this year already I have heard three money appeals. I heard that Mass is a gathering of the community too.

I am most at peace with my old missal there.

I appreciate and understand all of your points–I do! This is why I worship at the TLM, and consider myself lucky that one is only 45 minutes away.

But, and I have asked this question before without receiving an answer on a different thread. Why must we ‘throw the baby out with the bath water?’ Is there not a communal aspect to the Mass? Is there not an aspect that is ‘all about ourselves’ in our relationship with God, in the sense that we must also and at the same time look within as well as above in order to allow His Grace to enter and make us grow in love for Him and desire to live for Him?

I will grant you that all errors fall on one side or another of the truth. Neglecting Christ’s Divinity has given us Arianism, neglecting Christ’s Humanity has given us Docetism.

It is my opinion that the focus of the average Parish today is based around a low Christology, which may be the result of 40 years of the poorest of catechesis. But it seems to me that one need not exclude the communal aspect of our Faith in order to ensure a high Christology.

Is there any merit at all in my question?

 

[GerardP]

???

I don’t really understand this one here. Mass in the Western Church used to be said in Greek. The Christians did not want to use the language of their persecutors, and it wasn’t until Christianity began to flourish throughout the empire did they dare begin translating the liturgy into the vernacular (Latin).

The TLM contains the three sacred languages Hebrew, Greek and Latin in its prayers. Those are the three languages of the Cross.

One other point regarding humans and language is that languages that are used in worship services tend to die. Even in false religions there seems to be a tendency in human nature to want to set apart language for worship.

 

[maurin]

The TLM contains the three sacred languages Hebrew, Greek and Latin in its prayers. Those are the three languages of the Cross.

One other point regarding humans and language is that languages that are used in worship services tend to die. Even in false religions there seems to be a tendency in human nature to want to set apart language for worship.

Very interesting post, I have been scanning the Ordinary of the Mass in my Roman Missal. I have found the the Greek–the Kyrie-- but could you point out to me where the Hebrew is used?

Your last point about the tendency in human nature to want to set apart language for worship is enlightening. Thank you.

maurin

 

[GerardP]

Very interesting post, I have been scanning the Ordinary of the Mass in my Roman Missal. I have found the the Greek–the Kyrie-- but could you point out to me where the Hebrew is used?

Your last point about the tendency in human nature to want to set apart language for worship is enlightening. Thank you.

maurin

The Hebrew is scattered throughout in plenty of recognizable words and phrases: Amen, Alleluia, Hosanna, Sabaoth.

The actual scale of the sophistication and depth of the TLM on the natural human level is astounding. I recommended this on another thread; If you’re really curious and willing to make the investment, Charles Coulombe and William Biersach made an entertaining and enlightening 16 or 17 hour “Fireside Chat” where they compared the TLM in Latin and English with the Novus Ordo in Latin and English line by line. They also make some specific comparisons with some of the Eastern Rites as well.

At the same time they explain the differences and some of the great losses due to the ignorance (or malice in some cases) of the Consilium. The 9 invocations in the TLM of the Kyrie stand for the nine choirs of angels as well as three invocations of three for the Trinity.

The Liturgical colors, their meanings and the interesting tidbit that the colors are traditionally believed to be the same colors of the veil in the old temple.

They also make a good amount of jokes (Coulombe used to be a stand up comedian) and they answer questions from their audience at the end of each tape.

 

[parvenu74]

In addition to those listed above, because it is closer to the intentions of the Vatican II Council Fathers than the NO is.

Speaking of the intent of the Council Fathers, may I suggest an article on Sacrosanctum Concilium written from the point of view of a lawyer looking for loopholes? It’s amazing how much freedom is given to innovators to do absolutely whatever they want even though it’s not expressed in the Council document itself.

Article URL: latin-mass-society.org/ferrara.htm

 

[LSG]

We have been going to a TLM recently. Although it is an 88 mile drive, it is worth it. It is truly a wonderful worship of Our Blessed Lord.

 

[fatima1917]

I attend the tridentine mass because:

1. It is the mass that was created under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost over a 2000 year period of time.
2. It was guided by and directed by almost all of the Popes.
3. Almost all of the Saints went to this mass.
4. It is the mass of my youth and it was the mass that gave me enough grace to make it through the debacle of the 1970’s and remain Catholic.

 

[OLRansom]

It is the Holy Sacrifice as instituted by God - neither man-centered nor man-made.

 

[phil8888]

I attend the tridentine mass because:

1. It is the mass that was created under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost over a 2000 year period of time.
2. It was guided by and directed by almost all of the Popes.
3. Almost all of the Saints went to this mass.
4. It is the mass of my youth and it was the mass that gave me enough grace to make it through the debacle of the 1970’s and remain Catholic.

I thought the Tridentine Mass came about in the 1500s at the council of Trent…

 

[Yerusalyim]

I don’t, my Latin isn’t all that good, I’d just as soon understand what I’m adding my AMEN too.

I have no problem with the TRI mass being offered and I know many are quite comfortable with it…good for you…more power to you…worship.

Me, I’m partial to the vernacular mass…and enjoy when we throw in the occasional prayer in Latin that I understand, such as the Agnus Dei and Gloria.

 

[sneakers]

It is worship par excellence!
It is in continuity with the Church through the 2000 years!
It is mysterious!
It is solemn!
Gregorian Chant!
Reverence!
Ad Orientem posture leading us to Christ, rather than a closed in circle worship of humanity.
I love meditating on the propers.
The silence!
Receiving my Lord on my knees from the hands of a priest!
I could go on and on, but I LOVE it!

I am excited to see what the future holds for Catholic tradition and the Mass of the Ages!

I believe the Novus Ordo was a mistake, but one thing it did was give us a whole new appreciation for the Mass of Ages.

I look forward to the Motu Proprio.

You have just summed it up. No further comment needed.

 

[Ad_Deum]

I attend the Traditional Mass because:

it is God-centered liturgy
it is the authentic Catholic Mass
it is reverent, mystical, and solemn
it was prayed by many popes and saints
it has discipline, direction and uniformity
it is the Catholic faith, tradition and teaching

I love and support the Traditional Roman Rite!

Pax
Laudater Jesus Christus
Instaurare omnia in Christo