Why do you believe in Sola Scriptura?

[House_Harkonnen]

How bizarre! And yet you believe:

Scripture is the highest authority

I do not read a single word or verse in scripture supporting your belief.

Geee…I wonder if the whole belief of the Bible is the highest authority is responsible for so many denominations and interpretations of SS?

Yet many believe the early church taught it and practiced? Pure insanity!

Folks in scripture constantly appealed to scripture for authority. Would you like to read some instances where they did?

Geee…I wonder if the whole belief of the Bible is the highest authority is responsible for so many denominations and interpretations of SS?

Not anymore than the appeal to Tradition is responsible for many denominations and interpretations of Tradition.

Yet many believe the early church taught it and practiced? Pure insanity!

That is neither charitable nor respectful. Please do not refer to myself or my beliefs as “pure insanity”. I have not made such comments regarding you or your beliefs, pleases extend the same charity to me.

 

[FathersKnowBest]

The canon is not “all of my beliefs” nor is it “the most important issue in the universe”.

I didn’t say that the canon was, but that those beliefs depend on the canon. They depend on which books you believe contain those beliefs.

 

[Nicea325]

and for the illiterate there is no highest authority because they cannot read sacred scripture.

too bad for them, millions of them down through the centuries living their lives without access to the highest authority in christianity.

not a religion i would want to accept where the highest authority is unavailable to millions.

Exactly! My poor ancestors who could not read the “highest authority” and had no others means to the Word of God…uch: Oh wait, I forgot…that is why Jesus left His church on earth to help with faith and morals. :dancing:

 

[dronald]

The canon is not “all of my beliefs” nor is it “the most important issue in the universe”.

In fact I hold the issue of canon between Catholics and Protestants to be a very little issue indeed.

I like you.

 

[dronald]

Exactly! My poor ancestors who could not read the “highest authority” and had no others means to the Word of God…uch: Oh wait, I forgot…that is why Jesus left His church on earth to help with faith and morals. :dancing:

And then they get that one shepherd who misleads the flock. Good thing there’s multiple Church’s to keep the big fella in line now eh?

 

[eddie_too]

under this doctrine of quasi-sola scriptura (where sacred scripture is the “highest” authority), where, when and exactly how does sacred scripture exercise its “highest” authority?

i have to ask these questions because this “highest” authority doctrine is new to me and i am trying to fill in the gaps that its proponents are leaving.

is this doctrine written down anywhere or is it something that is made up as its proponents go along?

where is it defined and by whom is it defined? since it is not scriptural, what is its origin?

 

[Nicea325]

Folks in scripture constantly appealed to scripture for authority. Would you like to read some instances where they did?

Not anymore than the appeal to Tradition is responsible for many denominations and interpretations of Tradition.

That is neither charitable nor respectful. Please do not refer to myself or my beliefs as “pure insanity”. I have not made such comments regarding you or your beliefs, pleases extend the same charity to me.

Did not mean to insult. So tell me, what about the people who could not appeal to scripture because they had no access to scripture? What canonized Bible did Joe the farmer appeal to in 75 AD?

One’s poor commprehension of Tradition in no way is going to hold Traditions accountable to the scores of denominations. Traditions did not cease with the completion of the Bible.

 

[FathersKnowBest]

And then they get that one shepherd who misleads the flock. Good thing there’s multiple Church’s to keep the big fella in line now eh?

Fortunately, we have Jesus Christ who promised to “keep the shepherd in line,” and because of His promise, the Church has never once failed us in instructing us on what to believe.

I believe that Jesus does a much better job than any “multiple Church’s[sic]” could ever do, especially since division and splitting away from Christ’s Church was expressly forbidden by scripture.

 

[Nicea325]

And then they get that one shepherd who misleads the flock. Good thing there’s multiple Church’s to keep the big fella in line now eh?

And miseld how? Because the shepherd has his or her “correct” interpretation X 1,000 other correct interpretations?

 

[eddie_too]

Originally Posted by House Harkonnen
Folks in scripture constantly appealed to scripture for authority. Would you like to read some instances where they did?

begin my response, no it is not necessary to provide any citations for that assertion; but, i would like a citation from scripture that says sacred scripture is the “highest” authority. that is the position in dispute, not whether or not sacred scripture supports authority. RCs totally agree that sacred scripture supports authority.

until i see sacred scripture exerting authority i will continue to believe that, in this world, only human beings exercise authority.

 

[House_Harkonnen]

Did not mean to insult. So tell me, what about the people who could not appeal to scripture because they had no access to scripture? What canonized Bible did Joe the farmer appeal to in 75 AD?

He could simply go to an Apostle to receive the final authority.

Not that the apostles are gone, we can go to the writings of the Apostles for our final authority.

 

[House_Harkonnen]

I like you.

Thank you, I like you to.

What’s your favorite movie?

 

[Nicea325]

It’s clearly metaphorical, and I don’t need a pope or magisterium to let me know its metaphorical. Since no thinking person would believe that scripture can walk around like a cat or dog. And no Christians has ever taking it that way. I am happy take it as the church has always taking it. That scripture is not a “dead letter” its authoritative and convicts us and corrects and reproved us.

And thank God did (before the Torah and Jesus oral teachings) and could still have done it without a single word ever being penned.

How old was the earth and humanity existence before the Bible? So no Bible means…no knowledge of God?

 

[dronald]

And miseld how? Because the shepherd has his or her “correct” interpretation X 1,000 other correct interpretations?

Peter Waldo, Jon Hus and Wycliffe always come to mind. The actions Popes would take to prevent these men from their Religious freedom, and their followers.

No Church should have that kind of power in the name of Christ.

 

[Nicea325]

He could simply go to an Apostle to receive the final authority.

Not that the apostles are gone, we can go to the writings of the Apostles for our final authority.

Correct and on the first sentence,incorrect on the second because not one Apostle ever taught your position as Scripture being our final authority. So it is clear it is an invention. No proof to back it usually concludes it is a fabrication.

 

[eddie_too]

this line may explain part of the discussion:

“Not that the apostles are gone, we can go to the writings of the Apostles for our final authority.”

the author seems to need this doctrine (its source unknown, its details equally unknown) to justify HIS personal authority.

with this doctrine (ill-developed as it seems), no one can tell its proponents anything contrary to their own beliefs because their beliefs are in sacred scripture. that explains alot of people, jim jones, david koresh, joseph smith, the bahaullah, mohammed and the list goes on and on. all of them were proponents of sola scriptura.

seriously, repeatedly on these threads, the bahai claim their teachings are from christians’ sacred scriptures, joseph smith made the same claims, so did jim jones, so do muslim teachers.

sola scriptura is a doctrine that makes the “tower of babel” story appear to be a story about people agreeing to disagree.

 

[Nicea325]

Peter Waldo, Jon Hus and Wycliffe always come to mind. The actions Popes would take to prevent these men from their Religious freedom, and their followers.

No Church should have that kind of power in the name of Christ.

Religious freedoms? To teach and preach contradictions to what was handed to the 12 and Christ church? Freedom or rebellion?

Lucifer and his gang of rebel angels also felt their freedom (pride) infringed on,thus they rebelled. No creature should have that kind of power in the name of God.

 

[Isaiah45_9]

The canon is not “all of my beliefs” nor is it “the most important issue in the universe”.

In fact I hold the issue of canon between Catholics and Protestants to be a very little issue indeed.

So, returning to the OP.

Why do you believe in Sola Scriptura? How in your pilgrimage does the concept come into place?

 

[JonNC]

What is taught in WHICH books?

This is the question I have about the Deuterocanon. We’re told by some that we “reject” them because of doctrine, but are never given a list of the doctrines; which doctrine from Tobit, which one from Ecclesiasticus, etc.

Jon

 

[JonNC]

and for the illiterate there is no highest authority because they cannot read sacred scripture.

too bad for them, millions of them down through the centuries living their lives without access to the highest authority in christianity.

not a religion i would want to accept where the highest authority is unavailable to millions.

I’m trying to make sense of this, Eddie. Who is saying that people don’t have access to scripture?

Of course they have access to it, in the Church. That is what the Church is for, to teach; to preach the Gospel and administer the sacraments.
That’s why the Church through history has used statues and icons, and stained glass windows. That’s why churches have depictions of the stations of the cross. The illiterate learn from the Church, the word spoken, and depicted visually and through music.
One doesn’t have to be able to read scripture to have access to it.

Jon