Why do you believe in Sola Scriptura?

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Per Crucem;11838650]We don’t claim our church was founded by Luther. You know that, right?
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Sorry. I did not know that…You believe that God founded the Catholic Church and the Lutheran Church?
Only if you grant that the church that defined the Trinity is the same entity as the modern Roman Catholic Church. I don’t.
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Yes, the RCC (the only church in existence at the time) defined the Trinity, so perhaps the Mormons are right after all…LOL…In other words, God did not infallibly guide the CC at this council…:eek:
 
joe371 said:
Sorry. I did not know that…You believe that God founded the Catholic Church and the Lutheran Church?

Yes, the RCC (the only church in existence at the time) defined the Trinity, so perhaps the Mormons are right after all…LOL…In other words, God did not infallibly guide the CC at this council…:eek:
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Our confessions affirm that the Lutheran church is the continuation of the western catholic tradition. We believe yours schismed from that church at the time of the Reformation. Therefore, when you say the “RCC” defined the Trinity, we don’t agree.
 
Per_Crucem said:
Our confessions affirm that the Lutheran church is the continuation of the western catholic tradition. We believe yours schismed from that church at the time of the Reformation. Therefore, when you say the “RCC” defined the Trinity, we don’t agree.
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Wow…I did not know that…OK, which 4th century church (let’s assume it’s not the RCC) defined the Trinity when people were challenging it?
 
Per_Crucem said:
Our confessions affirm that the Lutheran church is the continuation of the western catholic tradition. We believe yours schismed from that church at the time of the Reformation. Therefore, when you say the “RCC” defined the Trinity, we don’t agree.
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What did the RCC do that proves they schismed? Any sources or documents to prove your point?
joe371 said:
Wow…I did not know that…OK, which 4th century church (let’s assume it’s not the RCC) defined the Trinity when people were challenging it?
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joe371 said:
Wow…I did not know that…OK, which 4th century church (let’s assume it’s not the RCC) defined the Trinity when people were challenging it?
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Look up William Lane Craig, Ravi Zacharias, Daniel B Wallace, etc. All Theologians (and textual critics) who affirm the Trinity logically through Scripture.
 
marywarfield said:
Very interesting. So you are claiming St. Thomas Aquinas
to be Lutheran? Does he know that?
Just have to ask- into revisionist history much?
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Lutherans aren’t really “Lutheran.” Luther was against that idea; but it just sorta stuck.
 
joe371 said:
Wow…I did not know that…OK, which 4th century church (let’s assume it’s not the CC) defined the Trinity when people were challenging it?
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Well, it was the CC…just not what is now the Roman CC
 
Per_Crucem said:
Well, it was the CC…just not what is now the Roman CC
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We know that that CC church still exists today, as per scripture. Leaving the RCC out of the discussion: please identify that CC church that defined the Trinity in the 4th century?
 
joe371 said:
We know that that CC church still exists today, as per scripture. Leaving the RCC out of the discussion: please identify that CC church that defined the Trinity in the 4th century?
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You mean identify it today? Or identify it at the time? I’m not sure what you’re asking, if you could clarify.
 
dronald said:
Sure, but what exactly was said to prove it schismed if Trent is your answer? Also, Luther left before Trent didn’t he?
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Luther was excommunicated before Trent, yes. Its repudiation of the gospel, at that council. Not that it hasn’t gotten somewhat better since then, but that’s what we would typically point to in a historical sense.
 
joe371 said:
We know that that CC church still exists today, as per scripture. Leaving the RCC out of the discussion: please identify that CC church that defined the Trinity in the 4th century?
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People in the Church explained the Trinity all the time before the fourth century. Didn’t Eusebius do an entire Apologetic in his ecclesiastical history prior to the Trinity being, “defined”? The idea that Jesus and the Holy Spirit being with God, of God and therefore God, coming to Earth as a human being is defined in John 1, by John.
 
Per_Crucem said:
Luther was excommunicated before Trent, yes. Its repudiation of the gospel, at that council. Not that it hasn’t gotten somewhat better since then, but that’s what we would typically point to in a historical sense.
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So, was it Trent as a whole or something particular that was said or done at Trent?
 
dronald said:
So, was it Trent as a whole or something particular that was said or done at Trent?
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CANON IX.-If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.

CANON XI.-If any one saith, that men are justified, either by the sole imputation of the justice of Christ, or by the sole remission of sins, to the exclusion of the grace and the charity which is poured forth in their hearts by the Holy Ghost, and is inherent in them; or even that the grace, whereby we are justified, is only the favour of God; let him be anathema.

CANON XII.-If any one saith, that justifying faith is nothing else but confidence in the divine mercy which remits sins for Christ’s sake; or, that this confidence alone is that whereby we are justified; let him be anathema.

That would be a good start.
 
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