Why do you believe in Sola Scriptura?

[Isaiah45_9]

How do you know that God says so or that Jesus made it clear where authority lies? Is it because you believe the Bible says so? Then you are relying on your own interpretation of Scripture and until you make that personal interpretation you have no basis for the authority of the Catholic Church. Protestants are chided for relying on personal interpretation. However your position is based on your interpretation that the Catholic Church has the authority it claims. You may then rely on its interpretation but you must make your own first.

Not really, Carl.

When we look at history, this concept of final and sole authority of Scriptures was absent until the reformation. It has nothing to do with interpretation but to the actual practice of the Church. The reformers thought that by taking the authority out of the hands of the Church the problems the Church was having at the time would go away. They were wrong.

 

[Nicea325]

How do you know that God says so or that Jesus made it clear where authority lies? Is it because you believe the Bible says so? Then you are relying on your own interpretation of Scripture and until you make that personal interpretation you have no basis for the authority of the Catholic Church. Protestants are chided for relying on personal interpretation. However your position is based on your interpretation that the Catholic Church has the authority it claims. You may then rely on its interpretation but you must make your own first.

I do not think so. You are basically defending the Protestant position about interpretation. God precedes ANY Bible and the Bible did NOT to be written or printed to prove His existence.Tell me what Bible Abraham used in order to believe God? None! Not my own interpretation.

And I need to correct you on the Catholic position of interpretation. Any Catholic is free to his or her own interpretation,but in the end it is the church.

Are you free to interpret any law? By all means. But is your interpretation the final say? Nope! Precisely why elected officials are elected.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

How does a person who believes in sola scriptura convince themselves that 3 John is scripture as opposed to the Didache? What makes 3 John scripture and the Didache non scripture?

 

[Nicea325]

How does a person who believes in sola scriptura convince themselves that 3 John is scripture as opposed to the Didache? What makes 3 John scripture and the Didache non scripture?

And that is the whole problem: authority. No educated Catholic or Orthodox will deny God’s inspiration to the human authors of scripture. However, it is not a matter of "“who” but “how” did God allow us to have such a book? Through His bishops of the church (West & East)… a fact of history.

 

[JonNC]

How does a person who believes in sola scriptura convince themselves that 3 John is scripture as opposed to the Didache? What makes 3 John scripture and the Didache non scripture?

Well, the two are not particularly linked. SS isn’t intended to determine the canon. That’s the job of the Church. How much of clamor was there in the early Church to have the Didache as part of the NT?

Jon

 

[pablope]

How do you know that God says so or that Jesus made it clear where authority lies?

Jesus established a Church…not a writing. Jesus said He would build a church, not a collection of writings.

Is it because you believe the Bible says so?

 

[Nicea325]

Jesus established a Church…not a writing. Jesus said He would build a church, not a collection of writings.

 

[benjohnson]

Hey benjohnson,

There aren’t any Catholic Sacred Traditions that contradict Sacred Scripture.

In these times, I generally agree - with the primary disagreement being Papal ineffability.

You seem to start by agreeing that only the Catholic Church can officially interpret Sacred Scripture, but then you switch to saying that the Lutheran church can.

Remember, we Lutherans think we’re a valid continuation of the western church.

Could you please explain your position on who can officially interpret Sacred Scripture?

Certainly not me! The church interprets scripture.

God bless!

God bless you too!

 

[House_Harkonnen]

And care to show us where God and scripture explicitly confirm your words in red?

Scripture is the very words of God himself, what authority is higher than God himself?

 

[Nicea325]

Scripture is the very words of God himself, what authority is higher than God himself?

Okay,then show us where God clearly states His ***written ***Word alone is the highest authority?

Where is Scripture the highest authority? Chapter and verse…please

 

[House_Harkonnen]

Okay,then show us where God clearly states His ***written ***Word alone is the highest authority?

Where is Scripture the highest authority? Chapter and verse…please

What other words of God are there besides the words of Scripture?

 

[Isaiah45_9]

What other words of God are there besides the words of Scripture?

Where can we find God’s revelation of what is Scriptures?

 

[House_Harkonnen]

Where can we find God’s revelation of what is Scriptures?

In the table of contents.

 

[FathersKnowBest]

In these times, I generally agree - with the primary disagreement being Papal ineffability.

Really?

Remember, we Lutherans think we’re a valid continuation of the western church.

See, here’s the thing: in order for this to be true, your beginning could NOT have been in defying the Church. But it was.

 

[dronald]

Okay,then show us where God clearly states His ***written ***Word alone is the highest authority?

Where is Scripture the highest authority? Chapter and verse…please

To be fair, even if Paul said “do not go beyond what is written.” It would be interpreted a certain way that says, “never mind that, it’s not what he meant.” by Catholics.

So regardless, no proof can be provided.

 

[Isaiah45_9]

In the table of contents.

Haha! So you are saying that the table of contents is inspired? When was it revealed and to whom?

 

[Isaiah45_9]

To be fair, even if Paul said “do not go beyond what is written.” It would be interpreted a certain way that says, “never mind that, it’s not what he meant.” by Catholics.

So regardless, no proof can be provided.

Paul was referencing the Old Testament. As far as I can tell, Paul never writes about a New Testament and it’s table of contents.

If that is the case, the New Testament is invalid.

 

[dronald]

Paul was referencing the Old Testament. As far as I can tell, Paul never writes about a New Testament and it’s table of contents.

If that is the case, the New Testament is invalid.

Not at all! The context shows that Paul and Apollos are applying these things so that they don’t have disputes over the truth.

“that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another.”

How common is this with Catholics when Protestants adhere to Scripture as the highest authority?

 

[Isaiah45_9]

Not at all! The context shows that Paul and Apollos are applying these things so that they don’t have disputes over the truth.

“that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another.”

How common is this with Catholics when Protestants adhere to Scripture as the highest authority?

Unless you can show where any of the Apostles gives a table of contents to what is Scriptures. We can’t go into any other rabbit trail.

It has nothing to do with being puffed up, but with the reality that there is no table of contents given by the Holy Writers. Period. There is not.

Being puffed up in this case is the fact that there is no humility in fighting the historical role the Church played in receiving the Scriptures. That there would be no table of contents without Her. That is to be puffed up - to pretend that the Church had no role and to make up any other reason to take away from Her.

Think about it for a second…

 

[FathersKnowBest]

So regardless, no proof can be provided.

So, dronald says, explicitely, that no proof can be provided.

So, even if dronald said “no proof can be provided” it would be interpreted a certain way that says, “never mind that, it’s not what he meant.”

Oh, you expect your words to be interpreted in context?
Don’t you want to afford that same respect to St. Paul?

Is it just because, interpreting St. Paul in context, would support Catholic beliefs, and you can’t have that?