Why do you belong to your church

[spedteacherita]

spedteacherita:

Your the one that HAS TO answer to GOD,

Good luck with that
REPLY TO MY POST

That’s not a very charitable thing to say to a fellow Christian. We all have to answer to God but thankfully we have Jesus who stands in for us - who died a sacrificial death once for all for ALL of us. He’s the propitiation for all of our sins. Your response to him with, “Good luck with that” says to me that Zenon has not the love of God or that he is treading on thin ice with his faith in God.

WHAT! Sharing GOD"S Truth is somehow uncharitablepen_mouth:

You truly are my FRIEND, and I am TRULY concerned about your life choices NOT being in accord with what God truly wants from you. and this is Biblical not simply MY opinion.

In choosing to leave the RCC for ANY reason, YOU choose to abandon GOD in the person Of Jesus Christ, who IS Truly, really and Substnaually present in our Tabernacles and in Catholic Holy communion.

Catholic Mass is NOT about us “liking it” BUT ALL about Godly Worship, in a manner that NO protestant church can do, why the emphasis is on making YOU feel good. BUT they cannot put you into the Divine Presence as we do.

Pray about it. And please take my advise as being from someone concerned about your eternity.

God Bless and Guide you,
Patrick

I truly appreciate your point of view but I have to take issue with it because Scripture does not teach me that I cannot be put into the Divine Presence because I don’t worship within the Catholic setting. I may be a “separated brother/sister” but the Catholic Church still recognizes me as a Christian. I am in the Divine Presence when I read scripture, attend church services, receive the Real Presence of Jesus in Holy Communion, fellowship with other Christians and interact with fellow Christians on social media, chat rooms and forums such as this one.

You seriously don’t need to be concerned about my eternity as Christ died once and for all for my sins - the final sacrifice. I was baptized in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost and His love and death assures me of my eternity.

In choosing to leave the RCC for ANY reason, YOU choose to abandon GOD in the person Of Jesus Christ, who IS Truly, really and Substnaually present in our Tabernacles and in Catholic Holy communion

Maybe you have me confused with someone else but I have not chosen to leave the RCC as I have never been a member of it - and it’s with this kind of rhetoric that I can’t even consider it at this time. According to your Church I am a child of Christ without the “fullness” of the faith that comes with being RCC.

I pray that together we can work to bring those who aren’t Christians to Him - bickering among ourselves does no good to those who need to hear the Good News that we so readily have to give.

Blessings,

Rita

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[PJM]

Hi PJM.

This is really not a mean question from my part or so intended. You have some really admirable qualities in how you approach your faith.

What I want to ask. Have you ever thought you may be wrong in all these posts you are posting? Has it ever occurred to you that you could be wrong?

Hi Michael, and the answer off the top of my head is no for reasons I shall enumerate

If you could be more specific, then I can reply in kind.

I say no, but without absolute certainty.

[1] I’ve been faith sharing, teaching and apologetics defending for about 30 years now. In that time frame I have been corrected perhaps a half-dozen or so times. With each correction, I endeavor to learn from the correction, and sincerely thank the one correcting me…

[2] I have a very active Spiritual life. especially in regards to prayer.

[3] I’m a certified Marian Catechist [a Lay Apostolate founded by the late Fr. John A. HArdon S.J.], and currently under the international direction of His Eminence Raymond Leo. Cardinal Burke. Father Hardon expected very much study of his early Catechist, so I do have some formation and testing background.

[4] I read a great deal. Less now than when I was younger

[5] I endeavor to provide FACTS as a part of my POST. This NEW CAF space limitations is counter-productive to do it with the depth of references I’m used to applying on the Old CAF; and consciously try to to avoid personal opinions. In this new format CAF, I hope to be challenged about specific shared-positions, where I have due to space, been prohibited from copy & pasting the references I share, which used to be a NORM for me.

[6] Experience itself is a GREAT teacher. And because the topics I cover are we might say, usually common, my replies are along the lines of ones that I have found to be successful… For example I had over 13,000 POST on the Old CAF.

[7] I pray for Holy Spirit guidance before POSTING

[8] If I’m unsure of something; as a rule, I stop and research it. before POSTING

So all in all,I do POST with degree of self confidence knowing that God is on my side [the side of HIS TRUTH]

I hope Michael that answers your question. THANKS for asking it.

It’s the 1st time I have been asked that question:smiley: But i ONLy claim infallibility when I an quoting Infallible sources.

God Bless you,
Patrick

 

[PJM]

My dear friend, we are talking, but NOT communicating.

For the record I Am NOT in the conversion or [re]-conversion business, That is God’s exclusive territory. Sure he chooses to us in varying ways and to different degrees, BUT it is always Gods grace that makes the difference.

Your understanding of Scripture seems to ME [personally here], to be at be incomplete; as the bible is precisely clear about the Real Presence, a topic I have shared the information many times already on this NEW CAF.
So my FRIEND, if you have a specific question I will be happy to address it. But we are not accomplishing anything in our current dialog.

PRAY very much for God’s guidance, if you think you need it?
God Bless you,
Patrick

 

[spedteacherita]

My dear friend, we are talking, but NOT communicating.

For the record I Am NOT in the conversion or [re]-conversion business, That is God’s exclusive territory. Sure he chooses to us in varying ways and to different degrees, BUT it is always Gods grace that makes the difference.

Your understanding of Scripture seems to ME [personally here], to be at be incomplete; as the bible is precisely clear about the Real Presence, a topic I have shared the information many times already on this NEW CAF.
So my FRIEND, if you have a specific question I will be happy to address it. But we are not accomplishing anything in our current dialog.

PRAY very much for God’s guidance, if you think you need it?
God Bless you,
Patrick

Hi Patrick,

But we are not accomplishing anything in our current dialog.

I was responding to your reply to me:

You truly are my FRIEND, and I am TRULY concerned about your life choices NOT being in accord with what God truly wants from you. and this is Biblical not simply MY opinion.

In choosing to leave the RCC for ANY reason, YOU choose to abandon GOD in the person Of Jesus Christ, who IS Truly, really and Substnaually present in our Tabernacles and in Catholic Holy communion.

Catholic Mass is NOT about us “liking it” BUT ALL about Godly Worship, in a manner that NO protestant church can do, why the emphasis is on making YOU feel good. BUT they cannot put you into the Divine Presence as we do.

Pray about it. And please take my advise as being from someone concerned about your eternity.

This is what I was responding to. I was trying to understand where you were coming from - You stated you were concerned about my eternity and I simply replied that you didn’t need to and I listed my reasons:

I truly appreciate your point of view but I have to take issue with it because Scripture does not teach me that I cannot be put into the Divine Presence because I don’t worship within the Catholic setting. I may be a “separated brother/sister” but the Catholic Church still recognizes me as a Christian. I am in the Divine Presence when I read scripture, attend church services, receive the Real Presence of Jesus in Holy Communion, fellowship with other Christians and interact with fellow Christians on social media, chat rooms and forums such as this one.

Communication and dialogue addresses both our concerns and I felt a huge concern needed to be addressed when you replied to me here.

Thanks for listening,

Blessings

Rita

 

[PJM]

Thank you and may God bless and guide your path

Patrick

 

[Rosebud77]

This was the first catholic “hellfire and damnation” i had ever enocounteres and my response is the same as to the evangelists who come in from the north. “Thankfully my soul and my destination are in God’s hands, not yours”
InHim I trust and in Him alone and in the holy Monastic advisers He has sent me,
Over and out.

 

[Rosebud77]

Neither you or I or Benedict is God. Humility not hubris please. “Put not your trust in man nor in any child of man.”

 

[PJM]

My Friend, seek GOD’S Truth which can ONLY be attained through receiving God’s grace, which requires GREAT humility.

Pray everyday to know the will of GOD for your life

Blessings

Patrick

 

[spedteacherita]

Thank you. I do pray everyday and I seek God’s wisdom - I believe that I do have God’s grace through the Holy Spirit leading me to Christ, in my Baptism and through the Real Presence of the Lord in Holy Communion.

God is so much bigger than our minds can even begin to imagine. Again, thank you for concern and I ask that you pray for me as I will pray for you.

God bless!

Rita

 

[nearlycatholic]

when I started studying my Bible, I found many things that didn’t line up with Sermons I had heard. How did I study? With a concordance, Greek and Hebrew lexicon and dictionary, historical and cultural resources, Scriptural comparisons and translation comparisons. Lots of prayers, skipping meals, turning off TV. I don’t find that the Bible supports many of the doctrines I learned in the Evangelical church of today.

 

[PJM]

GREAT effort,

But may I be permitted to challenge your results and explain WHY?

The Bible is a Catholic Book;

The OT was chosen Inspired by the HS

& the NT was fully authored by CATHOLICS for Catholics only in their minds [we can know this without doubt because as you know the Bible was fully AUTHORED [but not yet assembled] by the end of the 1st Century

Further today’s RCC was the ONLY Christian Church, for about 500 years when the 1st schism took place. Then it was not until 1054 & the Great Eastern Schism took place. So for a long period of time today’s RC’s were the ONLY "Christians on the face of the earth.

I share all this because it seems to ME [personally] that you may have been doing all of that research to PROVE your freely chosen faith; not SO-MUCH in seeking GOD"S Truths which can be nothing other than SINGULAR per defined issued by dictionary, moral and theological definition.

Pope Benedict XVI taught with irrefutable common sense-logic that “THERE CAN’T BE YOUR TRUTH AND MY TRUTH OR THEIR WOULD BE NO TRUTH”

So now that you are a self- mad exeget: Let me propose a challenge for you

I"ll list 6 bible proofs of the the RCC being Christ One TRUE God. Faith and Church

And you 6 that either disprove this and or prove your Church is [I’m presuming] the One true Faith and church

Mt 10:1-8
Mt 16:15-19
Jn 17:17-20
Mt 28: 18-20
Eph 2: 18-22
Eph 4: 1-7

This is of course the SHORT course as the Bible is in its entirety authored for Catholics

God Bless MY friend,
Patrick

 

[nearlycatholic]

I share all this because it seems to ME [personally] that you may have been doing all of that research to PROVE your freely chosen faith; not SO-MUCH in seeking GOD"S Truths which can be nothing other than SINGULAR per defined issued by dictionary, moral and theological definition.

no, I did this because things weren’t adding up in the sermons I was hearing. I’ll send it in a message. But I have to get ready for church now. Will be in touch. God Bless!

 

[PJM]

Ahhhhh,

Sermons can be miss leading these day’s more so than some in the past.

But my friend, there are the men in th thee Church , not necessarily [without specifics I can’t judge], NOT the Church and what we do believe and practice.

God Bless you,
Patrick