Why do you hate Islam?

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slyboots said:
You are on a Catholic Forum. Surely you have read what 99% of the posters think about abortion. We are firmly against it and firmly pro-life.
Pornography is a sin. No Christian is going to be able in good conscience to tell you it is not a sin.

The Islamic world does not fear us. It hates us. And wants to conquer us.
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And the feminist women in America want to defeat Islam so that they can put their feminist pro-abortion agenda in place around the world.
If you have the opportunity to get to know a Muslim family in the USA, perhaps you will learn something about their culture. What I notice is that the Catholic families here have on the average two children. At Church meetings, Catholic women discuss how they have had their tubes cut so that they will not have any more children. On the other hand, I see in our neighborhood at least, Muslim families with six or seven children. Which culture supports life more in actual reality? Which is giving the better example of the por-life attitude. In saying this, I have to recognise that there are thousands of wonderful Catholic women who are serving God and are welcoming children and large families.
 
bobzills said:
This points out one of the reasons why American women hate Islam. They want the right to be able to kill their own unborn children. They fear that Islam may take away this legal right.
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And you expect me to respond to this?

If you are bothered by abortion, as we ALL should be, then do something about it.

Don’t use it as some sort of excuse for why someone does or does not revert to Islam. Muslims are not the moral superiors that you think they are. They are ok with pediphilia. Read this article about what they do to children who they capture as slaves: Slavery in islam. It will make you sick.

Their heaven is full of virgins - but they won’t tell you about the little boys that fill it up for those big, bad Jihadists too.

How about them telling their children to not only hate Jews and other unbelievers but that killing oneself while doing that is great! You can do a search on youtube and ‘children islam suicide’, or some other search words and see what they teach their children from pre-kindergarten age. These kids aren’t playing with plastic rifles either! Or their Jihadists hiding behind children and if they get killed then use the dead bodies in their propaganda war that our media loves to much to help them along with.

If you would crack open their texts you would also find that the only reason why they hate us is because we are unbelievers and they are told to hate us. They are told to make Islam the supreme religion of the world and Sharia laws the laws of all the lands. There is nothing more to it other than they are told to do so. They blame us for their ills and they are their own worst enemies.
 
Agabriel said:
And you expect me to respond to this?

If you are bothered by abortion, as we ALL should be, then do something about it.

Don’t use it as some sort of excuse for why someone does or does not revert to Islam. .
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I did no such thing. I simply gave a possible reason as to why feminists may hate Islam.
 
bobzills said:
And the feminist women in America want to defeat Islam so that they can put their feminist pro-abortion agenda in place around the world.
If you have the opportunity to get to know a Muslim family in the USA, perhaps you will learn something about their culture. What I notice is that the Catholic families here have on the average two children. At Church meetings, Catholic women discuss how they have had their tubes cut so that they will not have any more children. On the other hand, I see in our neighborhood at least, Muslim families with six or seven children. Which culture supports life more in actual reality? Which is giving the better example of the por-life attitude. In saying this, I have to recognise that there are thousands of wonderful Catholic women who are serving God and are welcoming children and large families.
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I have not been to any such meeting where faithful Catholic women talk about being sterlized. And I have been to many meetings. Have you? I have stood in the rain and heat and cold, shoulder to shoulder with other women at abortion clinics praying the rosary. Our family is open to new life. I myself was only given two children to raise on earth. My daughter and daughter in law and their husbands both hope for several children. My sister in law presently has 4 lovely Catholic children being brought up in the faith.
I do not hate the Muslim families who have allowed God to give them beautiful precious children. This is not the issue. I do not hate any Muslims. But Islam denies Jesus Christ is the son of God. It denies Hiscrucifixion and death to redeem us. It rejects His sacrificial gift. It is wrong. And teaches wrongly. Therefore I hate these teachings of Islam.
 
That’s quite a speech,

((they are their own worst enemies. ))
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   funny i don't remember reading anything in the bible that says Humans are the ones we have to worry about, and i can't recall ever hearing that Islam is our enemy.
((How about them telling their children to not only hate Jews and other unbelievers but that killing oneself while doing that is great!))

do you have any proof that a majority of Muslims teach Jihadisum as a good thing? Lets see what our Muslim friends think of it.

I don’t ever recall Jesus ever telling us to hate anybody or anything for that matter.

HickmanJosh
 
HickmanJosh said:
That’s quite a speech,

((they are their own worst enemies. ))
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   funny i don't remember reading anything in the bible that says Humans are the ones we have to worry about, and i can't recall ever hearing that Islam is our enemy.
((How about them telling their children to not only hate Jews and other unbelievers but that killing oneself while doing that is great!))

do you have any proof that a majority of Muslims teach Jihadisum as a good thing? Lets see what our Muslim friends think of it.

I don’t ever recall Jesus ever telling us to hate anybody or anything for that matter.

HickmanJosh
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Please clarify what you are responding to.
 
HickmanJosh said:
That’s quite a speech,

((they are their own worst enemies. ))
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   funny i don't remember reading anything in the bible that says Humans are the ones we have to worry about, and i can't recall ever hearing that Islam is our enemy.
((How about them telling their children to not only hate Jews and other unbelievers but that killing oneself while doing that is great!))

do you have any proof that a majority of Muslims teach Jihadisum as a good thing? Lets see what our Muslim friends think of it.

I don’t ever recall Jesus ever telling us to hate anybody or anything for that matter.

HickmanJosh
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Hi H.Josh.

I have a hard time understanding your posts because I neer know who you are quoting. Can you please use the “quote” icon when doing so. Thanks!
 
slyboots said:
I have not been to any such meeting where faithful Catholic women talk about being sterlized. And I have been to many meetings. Have you? I have stood in the rain and heat and cold, shoulder to shoulder with other women at abortion clinics praying the rosary. Our family is open to new life. I myself was only given two children to raise on earth. My daughter and daughter in law and their husbands both hope for several children. My sister in law presently has 4 lovely Catholic children being brought up in the faith.
I do not hate the Muslim families who have allowed God to give them beautiful precious children. This is not the issue. I do not hate any Muslims. But Islam denies Jesus Christ is the son of God. It denies Hiscrucifixion and death to redeem us. It rejects His sacrificial gift. It is wrong. And teaches wrongly. Therefore I hate these teachings of Islam.
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Yes.
There are of course, thousand and millions of wonderful Catholic men and women who are upholding the Catholic faith and who love and appreciate children. I was referring here to pro-abortion feminists who may hate Islam.
If I have offended you, then I apologise to you and any of the beautiful and great Catholic pro-life people here.
 
jakasaki said:
Hi H.Josh.

I have a hard time understanding your posts because I neer know who you are quoting. Can you please use the “quote” icon when doing so. Thanks!
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yeah sorry about that i am new so i am a little bit of a noob:p

i was responding to Agabriel, post #662

HickmanJosh
 
Dear Muslims,
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    I'm not going to be online here much after the next few days, so I wanted to just lay it out there one more time from my perspective.

    I don't hate Muslims.  I don't wish any harm to people who don't believe what I believe.  I don't believe that any good can come from hating, commiting violence, or murder against those who disagree with you.  I think when a person commits violent deeds, they should expect that more violence will be the result of their actions.  Of course Islam says that it teaches peace.  It claims that the way of Allah provides human kind with peace.  Wouldn't that be great if that is what it actually did?  In the name of Allah, murder and deception are allowable.  Murder and deception are thought to lead toward the truth of Allah.  If I am on Allah's side, then I deserve peace and those who disagree with us deserve chaos and distress - that is what Islam teaches (from my perspective).

    I'm writing this right now because I want to appeal to you one last time, to rethink Islam.  Try to imagine the world Muhammad entered from all perspectives.  He is supposed to be an ideal that we can pattern our lives after, so try to imagine what He brought.  For people who were on His side, at first, it was terrible - they suffered immensely as Islam found its feet.  Once Islam had power, those who opposed it, or even those who were not Muslims, suffered immensely in the name of peace, in the name of Allah.  Muslims, who had been oppressed and tortured, became oppressors and torturers.  This was all allowed and encouraged by Muhammad as it is documented in the Hadiths and supported by the Qur'an.  

     Christianity does not present the idea that we should become oppressors in order to find peace.  Jesus offers us the true way.  Maybe the church needs some revolution, not revolution of blood and tears, but revolution in terms of the Spirit - the church isn't perfect, but God is.  God can do amazing things.  God can do amazing thing through us if we join Him.  God desires that all will be blessed in His name, not because they fear death, or because they are pressured into it, or controlled by religion, but because they are drawn by the depth of His goodness.  Jesus offers us the way of love.  Love wins - think about any battle.... if love led the response to 911, everyone would be better off.  America did not listen to the way of love.  Bush did not lead people in the way of God.  If he had, then the world would be a much better place today.  Instead, because he responded in the way of hatred, many more people are dead and many people all over the world have valid reasons for hating Americans.  I would say that America responded as Muhammad would have, though Muhammad might have just dropped a nuclear bomb on Afghanistan and just napalmed Iraq.
I and many others here have presented serious problems with Islam.

The only attractive thing about it is culture and ritual. Ethically & morally, Islam is toxic. It doesn’t lead to God.

The angel Muhammad met in the cave was either a figment of his imagination, or it was Satan (I tend to think it was actually Satan). I believe this because the teachings that come from the Qur’an are not the teachings of Jesus. The goal of Islam is not the goal of Christianity. I have found that the ways of Jesus are divine. God speaks. The Holy Spirit lives in me. Islam only leads people into rituals that they can trust to control them and give them a sense of order.

Be free.

Please open your eyes to what is in the Hadiths and the Qur’an.

It is not a path to freedom, but a road to slavery.

May you find life - May God bless you richly - May His hand always be upon you!

Peace,
SW
 
swplan76

Why are you leaving us? I know it’s non of my business, but inquiring minds want to know… 😛 - Me, I’m the inquiring mind… 😃

Will you return to CAF?
 
swplan76: You Pretty Much Explained General Non-Muslims feeling about Islam.but ,most of the muslims you find in south asia(Pakistan,afghan,india) are Hardliners and they are taught to hate others.Most of them are living in denial.

I would like to bring another aspect of Islam too. Islam is Arabization.I have read that Urdu speaking Indian Muslims(Including pakistan,bangladesh) are thinking they are descendents of Arabs!It is true.They deny the roots ,they were Once Hindus with Rich Culture.but Now they lives in substandard 7th century culture.Governments ,all over the world must understand that Islam is another cult with ambitious plans for conquering the whole world.this way ,it is much more dangerous than nazi cult.​

I think some south east asian countries does not allowed translation of koran to the native languages and that country is pretty much better in shape compared to the muslim ghettos of afghanistan,pakistan,bangladesh and india.but even Indonesia is changing due to death cult’s domination.
Islam Suppressed
The reason Indonesia has been relatively free of extreme jihadism, from it’s founding (1945) until recently, was because the government banned the translation or possession of the Koran in Bahasa Indonesia [the national language], mercilessly suppressed real Muslims (”radicals”, “extremists”), and promoted a non-Islamic nationalist cult in all state schools, media, the military, etc.
For example, in 2005, Yusman Roy was sentenced to two years in prison on blasphemy charges for leading Muslim prayers at an East Java Islamic school in his native Bahasa Indonesia rather than Arabic. This is necessary in order to prevent Indonesian Muslims from truly understanding Islam, since the Indonesia’s official national philosophy is offensive to Islam in many ways.
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brianakira.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/tolerant-idonesia-myth/
 
I am sorry.the link I gave in above post is Not for Soft Hearts.please Moderator remove that Link which contains something inappropriate(Slaughter of two women).

it was already too late to edit to remove the link.
 
pjk123 said:
I am sorry.the link I gave in above post is Not for Soft Hearts.please Moderator remove that Link which contains something inappropriate(Slaughter of two women).

it was already too late to edit to remove the link.
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This is truly horrifying.
I will say a prayer for them and their families.
BTW, also horrifying was the period during the Reformation when people were burned alive at the stake?
 
bobzills said:
I did no such thing. I simply gave a possible reason as to why feminists may hate Islam.
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Feminists (and I am talking about left wing liberals) have shown no hatred for Islam. They are silent in regards to any woman’s plight in Islam, they have shown no concern for ANY human rights abuses in Islam, especially children born in Islamic countries. (all of the problems I stated and probably more exist)

In fact, it has been Conservative women, Republicans mostly, who have tried to bring the plight of women to people’s attention. And at college campuses you get Muslims - women and our left wing liberals - both behaving poorly when these Conservatives speak out. They get shouted down, things thrown at them, etc.
 
HickmanJosh said:
That’s quite a speech,

((they are their own worst enemies. ))
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   funny i don't remember reading anything in the bible that says Humans are the ones we have to worry about, and i can't recall ever hearing that Islam is our enemy.
((How about them telling their children to not only hate Jews and other unbelievers but that killing oneself while doing that is great!))

do you have any proof that a majority of Muslims teach Jihadisum as a good thing? Lets see what our Muslim friends think of it.

I don’t ever recall Jesus ever telling us to hate anybody or anything for that matter.

HickmanJosh
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Listen, don’t do anything. Just sit back and complain. don’t educate yourself, don’t do anything. Blame the West for all of Islam’s problems. Blame everyone else, for abortion too. Make sure to tie that in with the ignorance of many with Islam.

Make sure to hate women though! I certainly can read between the lines with your rants on the ‘immoral West’ and women. Don’t do anything about the politicians in office that are making sure the rights of women to have abortions are secure - just somehow twist it to justify Islam’s atrocities. Heck, don’t hate an ideology that tells its adherents to deceive us, to kill us, to terrorize us, to enslave us, or anything like that…

I guess you love the ideology behind the Nazis, and Mein Kampf too! Because that is exactly what you are telling me.
 
Agabriel said:
Listen, don’t do anything. Just sit back and complain. don’t educate yourself, don’t do anything. Blame the West for all of Islam’s problems. Blame everyone else, for abortion too. Make sure to tie that in with the ignorance of many with Islam.

Make sure to hate women though! I certainly can read between the lines with your rants on the ‘immoral West’ and women. Don’t do anything about the politicians in office that are making sure the rights of women to have abortions are secure - just somehow twist it to justify Islam’s atrocities. Heck, don’t hate an ideology that tells its adherents to deceive us, to kill us, to terrorize us, to enslave us, or anything like that…

I guess you love the ideology behind the Nazis, and Mein Kampf too! Because that is exactly what you are telling me.
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The east, the middle east and the west all have blood on there hands when it comes to the worlds problems. Abortion is the worst genocide in modern history Millions lost, worse than any war in all of humanity’s history. It will be brought to an end by those who know the true horror of this atrocity. (Us)
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   Hate is Evil. Hate is of Satan and i will not willingly let hate enter me. I am angry that Such things happen but what are we going to do to stop them huh? What can we do to stop it? I am Very angry at Nazism for its evil i wish it where gone but its not, why, Human nature. Humans are two darned complacent and greedy to get rid of such a sickness. World war 2 ended with more than 60 million dead. this is astonishing to think about, that's double the population of Canada! one filth that of the US! Was God punishing us for our evils? 

  Ok lets assume for one moment your right and Satan did appear to Mohamed in that cave and start all this foolishness. Why would God let such a thing happen? Why would satan do such a thing in the first place?
The west has come a long way from suppressing the rights of women, and i find it disgusting to think such suppression is still going on all over the world. I Know that when the Taliban moved into Pakistanis swat Vally that they closed all the Girls schools, whipped people for the most basic offenses and hung people in town squares for more serious offenses against THIER interpretation of the Qur’an. This is unacceptable and must be stopped by any means necessary (save nukes). and i am very happy that the Pakistani army is kicking the militants buts.
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 Ignorance is a destructive thing when manipulated by those who have knowledge. i am sad to admit i am Ignorant of many things of Islam but i still can't quite convince myself that the Second largest religion on earth is so violent.  We must fight that which is unjust and destroy that which is evil, i can't see the pope saying islam was evil when he visited The Holy land a few months ago as i recall he said we must respect our Muslim brothers and sisters faith. He said nothing on the Distinction between Islam and Muslims.
HickmanJosh
 
HickmanJosh said:
The east, the middle east and the west all have blood on there hands when it comes to the worlds problems. Abortion is the worst genocide in modern history Millions lost, worse than any war in all of humanity’s history. It will be brought to an end by those who know the true horror of this atrocity. (Us)
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   Hate is Evil. Hate is of Satan and i will not willingly let hate enter me. I am angry that Such things happen but what are we going to do to stop them huh? What can we do to stop it? I am Very angry at Nazism for its evil i wish it where gone but its not, why, Human nature. Humans are two darned complacent and greedy to get rid of such a sickness. World war 2 ended with more than 60 million dead. this is astonishing to think about, that's double the population of Canada! one filth that of the US! Was God punishing us for our evils? 

  Ok lets assume for one moment your right and Satan did appear to Mohamed in that cave and start all this foolishness. Why would God let such a thing happen? Why would satan do such a thing in the first place?
The west has come a long way from suppressing the rights of women, and i find it disgusting to think such suppression is still going on all over the world. I Know that when the Taliban moved into Pakistanis swat Vally that they closed all the Girls schools, whipped people for the most basic offenses and hung people in town squares for more serious offenses against THIER interpretation of the Qur’an. This is unacceptable and must be stopped by any means necessary (save nukes). and i am very happy that the Pakistani army is kicking the militants buts.
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 Ignorance is a destructive thing when manipulated by those who have knowledge. i am sad to admit i am Ignorant of many things of Islam but i still can't quite convince myself that the Second largest religion on earth is so violent.  We must fight that which is unjust and destroy that which is evil, i can't see the pope saying islam was evil when he visited The Holy land a few months ago as i recall he said we must respect our Muslim brothers and sisters faith. He said nothing on the Distinction between Islam and Muslims.
HickmanJosh
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No one is innocent but to degrade America as low as what Islam’s history is not being well informed and a continuing along the path that the ones that you dislike for killing babies - the left wing liberals. This is their mantra, along with pushing abortion.

don’t try to convince yourself by just guessing. Crack open their texts - read it for yourself.

After 9/11 I did. Some of the books on my list are ‘Legacy of Jihad’, ‘The Myth of Islamic Tolerance’, and I creeped through the Quran (it is a hard book to read, it is a literary mess). Those are a very few of the books. I have given you other books to read.

What I suggest is stop guessing. Become informed. Hating a people not to be done but hating an ideology is not a sin. If you want you can say I find it disgusting, deplorable, moronic, intolerant, barbaric, unholy, and too often just downright evil in some of the things that Muhammed did, etc.

I found evil when Muhammed would just torture someone because he wanted to find out where the rest of his loot was. Or that he had an old man over 100 and a woman still breastfeeding assasinated. Or that he would take slaves and rape them and say that his men should not worry about getting them pregnant. Or when a man pleaded for his life because his children would be left destitute and Muhammed just didn’t care. The list just goes on. And you say we should not hate a thing that has packaged this up as a religion and have forced it down people’s throats through terror because that is what Muhammed said for them to do.
 
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