Why do you hate Islam?

[MDK]

MDK, At least we do not abuse Jesus and his mother like the christians do to Muhammad.

The truth leads us to worship Jesus as God, and honor Mary His mother. The truth also leads us to tell the truth about mohammad, which because mohammadeans don’t like, nevertheless is true.

The truth is also that by denying Jesus is Lord and God, you do denigrate Him. Not only do you deny the Divinity of Jesus, you also claim that a murderer, maruader, liar and rapist is a higher “prophet” than Jesus the Son of God. Those in tune with reality, know what you’re doing is wrong. Unfortunately, Islamists are not in tune with reality.

The truth about mohammad is not an abuse. The abuse is what mohammad did to his enemies, and does to those who follow his misleading writings and blasphemy. So, in claiming that Christians abuse mohammad by telling the truth about him, you falsely accuse Christians. In our moral code which was given by God, what you do is a great sin.

There is no blasphmy if we call a man as a prophet. Nobody knew Jesus as a god. Abraham did not know him as a god. Moses did not know Jesus as a god. All the prophets of the Jews did not know that jesus was coming as a god. Jesus mother did not know that she gave birth to a god. Jesus was not genearlly worshipped as god. Most of his people knew Jesus as a prophet. this is written in the bibleNT.

It is indeed blasphemy to say you know Jesus, and yet to call Him only a prophet. He is God, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity.

On top of that, you say that a murderer, maruader and rapist is a higher “prophet” than Jesus the Son of God.

The Catholic Church authored the New Testament, and has handed down faithfully the teachings directly from Jesus…, and yet you try to tell us you know what the Bible teaches and we don’t? This is nothing but arrogance born of ignorance.
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So you are inventing a new religion. You are to be blamed. Ask any Learned Jew of today if they were expecting a god on the earth. They will deny it. Jesus was a Jew. he was all for the Jews. It is nothing to do with any christian. It is a matter for the Jews and they will give their decision about Jesus. Thanks.

No, mohammad invented a new “religion”, which was really nothing more than a opportunity to incorporate social norms of the time into a “prophecy.” Besides, it came 500 years after the end of public revelation. There was no new public revelation after the Apostle John died. Islam is a “non prophet” organization.

It is the reverse of what you have said above. We consider you as blasphmers when you make a god out of the mere man- Jesus. It is exactly like the Jews of the time of Jesus. They considered Jesus a blasphemer. We feel same about the christians. The proof is written in the bibleNT. Jesus was accused of blasphemy by the high ranking Jews.

You believe the reverse of what I’ve said, because you do not know the truth. You have to first know the truth, in order to know what is false. I know that Islam is false, because it conflicts with what God taught. There is no valid reason for Islam’s existence. It was not started by God, but by a false and self described prophet, who fomented the hatred and social norms of a culture into a book based on distortions of Christianity. If Christianity had not existed already for 600 years, then Islam could never have been created.

You blaspheme again by reducing God to a mere man. Please learn the truth, which will set you free of the ignorance in the blind and false mindset that Islam produces in its adherents.

Whether it was the true blame or false case they put upon Jesus, that is beside the point. But the act of making a god out of a man is blasphemy even according to the bibleOT. It is same in the Quran. If you consider Jesus as a God, you are committing a sin of the highest order, according to Islam (And I hope according to the Jewish law too.) So please see. Where do you stand?

It is true that if we were calling a simple man as though he were God, it would be blasphemy. However, if we call God as though He were only a man, that would be blasphemy as well. We must call God as God, and so we Christians do in believing Christ as He said He was God. He also told us to Baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, which He discussed the Holy Trinity. So, when one learns the truth, one sees that we Christians do not deny the truth revealed about God, as do blind followers of a murderer, rapist, and false prophet mohammad.

Jesus is God, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity. God is one, a union and communion of three Divine Persons. To deny this, is to deny the revealed truth of God.

 

[sedonaman]

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Islam is a “non prophet” organization.
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Now that’s a new thought!

 

[MDK]

Now that’s a new thought!

Perhaps so, and it’s a humorous way to express an almost 1400 year old truth.

 

[Agabriel]

The greatest evil , the greatest wrong was committed by the CHOSEN PEOPLE ,

Barabas was their CHOSEN ONE, and they deny CHRIST existed, the Muslims would have never chosen a murdering thief,

ONE CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT WILL HAPPEN ON JUDGEMENT DAY,

huh? psst - they chose Muhammed who not only was a murdering thief, but he enslaved, tortured, assassinated, raped women and children (slaves), committed adultry, sex maniac, etc.

And those people you are upset over? Well, they died about 2,000 years ago. It isn’t the Jews killing people because they don’t accept Judaism.

 

[Agabriel]

Now that’s a new thought!

Except that their Prophet really made a profit - you know, with all that looting and enslaving. And when he wasn’t partaking it all that stealing first hand, he had his followers so ‘bulldozed’ that they turned over 1/5 their loot and slaves to him anyway!

 

[Neil_Anthony]

Why do you hate Islam?
Is it because Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world?
cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/
defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10042001_200110043.html
themodernreligion.com/convert/am.htm

Do you deeply believe in the logic of Islam and you can’t say it?
Did you visit Islamic sites or read Koran to judge it?
Judging can’t be done by quick overview but needs reading and comparing.
Do you know Islam respects Jesus and Mary very much and Jewish call them illegitimate and whore?
We have all the resources to know and judge. Check the Internet, it’s free.

Beneficial Links for Non-Muslims
muslim-answers.org
islam-guide.com/
al-sunnah.com/onlyforyou.htm
convertstoislam.org/
muslim-answers.org/am-toc.htm#BIBLE

I’m a conservative Catholic, and I like Islam. I like it because:

• muslim women dress modestly
• muslims aren’t afraid to pray in public like many Christians are
• muslims worship God
• muslims support laws that are in line with natural law

Yay for muslims. If Christians won’t keep the west Holy, maybe God will have to send muslims to sanctify our countries. What a shame, but the shame is not on the muslims, it is on us.

 

[MDK]

Except that their Prophet really made a profit - you know, with all that looting and enslaving. And when he wasn’t partaking it all that stealing first hand, he had his followers so ‘bulldozed’ that they turned over 1/5 their loot and slaves to him anyway!

Yes, mohammad was quite the man that young Islamists can look down to to.

The term “non prophet” can be used in referring to Islam’s founding, but not “non profit.” What mohammad did was focused on this world of profit and self indulgent pleasures and preferences.

 

[MDK]

I’m a conservative Catholic, and I like Islam. I like it because:

• muslim women dress modestly
• muslims aren’t afraid to pray in public like many Christians are
• muslims worship God
• muslims support laws that are in line with natural law

Yay for muslims. If Christians won’t keep the west Holy, maybe God will have to send muslims to sanctify our countries. What a shame, but the shame is not on the muslims, it is on us.

Neil,
You have just enough “information” to be dangerous.

Muslim women don’t dress modestly, they’re totally shut out.

As a Christian, I pray in public, like restaurants before meals. Otherwise my prayer in public is private and not for show. I know I don’t have to orient myself in the direction of a false prophet to do so.

Muslims deny the revealed truth about God. They have invented their own characteristics about God which they prefer. So, they’re worshiping their own version of God, not who He revealed Himself to be… quite a difference.

Muslims understanding of natural law comes from Christianity. Any truth they do have is from Christianity. The falsehoods are their own making.

The Catholic Church is right where Islam is right (because it reaches the fullness of revealed truth, and started 600 years before Islam). Also importantly, the Catholic Church is right where Islam is wrong.

It is not possible for Muslims to sanctify our country when they denigrate our Lord, when the distort His teachings and replace them with those of a murderer and marauder.

Please get some proper perspective based on the truth, not just some slanted version of propaganda.

The shame on us is for not converting them to Christianity. There is plenty of shame on Islam, as it is a heresy of Christianity. There is no valid reason for Islam. The only thing we should honor them for is the amount of being good in regard to God’s one religion, which is Christianity. To the extent they act like a proper Christian, we should honor that. However, denying Jesus is Lord is a pretty big problem to overlook, isn’t it? Islamic preference of a murdering marauder’s distorted teachings to the proper teachings of God is a pretty big problem to overlook, isn’t it?

 

[jeffman88]

I don’t hate Islam, though I feel pity for Muslims.

Islam is a false religion, invented by a pædophilic criminal for his own material benefit, which forces people on pain of torture to believe lies about God.

Islam is the best proof in this world of the danger of lies.

You are a very misled indivual and I’ll will pray for you. Islam is religion that practices peace. While it will take for ever to explain all of this I want you to know I know there are muslim extremists. Yet the news makes it out to us that all musilms are extremists when very few of them are. Also most terrorist are not over religion but politics. Bin laden attacked the U.S. because of our stance on supporting isreal. A quote I always keep in the back of my mind is one my modern world teacher told me. " one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter" osama thinks were terrorist and we think he is, but neither of us are wrong. Therefore we should stop this stupid war on terrorism because by doing so we, in their eyes, are the terrorists. Islam is a religion of peace, the media is really the evil people here.They make people look bad so they can make money. muhammad was not a bad person. You say he was a criminal, but that is what some say about Jesus. While I believe in Jesus, whose to say we aren’t wrong and they’re not right. Therefore we should do as Pope John Paul II did and reach out to other religions. We should bend our swords in to low shares, as jesus said, and turn the other cheek.

 

[Agabriel]

I’m a conservative Catholic, and I like Islam. I like it because:

• muslim women dress modestly
• muslims aren’t afraid to pray in public like many Christians are
• muslims worship God
• muslims support laws that are in line with natural law

Yay for muslims. If Christians won’t keep the west Holy, maybe God will have to send muslims to sanctify our countries. What a shame, but the shame is not on the muslims, it is on us.

They pray in public, but don’t be a woman and walk in front of them - it nullifies their prayers. Also donkeys, dogs and farts nullify their prayers.

Some of that is idiocy, some of it is pure intolerance and hatred of even their own women, let alone any unbeliever who is a woman. Maybe you will start being aware of the human rights abuses in their own country not only towards unbelievers but of their own women.

faithfreedom.org

Exposing the role that Islamic jihad theology and ideology play in the modern global conflicts

Exposing the role that Islamic jihad theology and ideology play in the modern global conflicts

www.jihadwatch.org

a couple of books,
‘A Never Ending War’,
‘Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs’ and
‘They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It’
The Third Jihad - 30 minute version
Brigette Gabriel’s talk at the Thomas More Law Center

And here is a freebie book in PDF format: The Truth about Muhammed

 

[MDK]

You are a very misled indivual and I’ll will pray for you. Islam is religion that practices peace. While it will take for ever to explain all of this I want you to know I know there are muslim extremists. Yet the news makes it out to us that all musilms are extremists when very few of them are. Also most terrorist are not over religion but politics. Bin laden attacked the U.S. because of our stance on supporting isreal. A quote I always keep in the back of my mind is one my modern world teacher told me. " one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter" osama thinks were terrorist and we think he is, but neither of us are wrong. Therefore we should stop this stupid war on terrorism because by doing so we, in their eyes, are the terrorists. Islam is a religion of peace, the media is really the evil people here.They make people look bad so they can make money. muhammad was not a bad person. You say he was a criminal, but that is what some say about Jesus. While I believe in Jesus, whose to say we aren’t wrong and they’re not right. Therefore we should do as Pope John Paul II did and reach out to other religions. We should bend our swords in to low shares, as jesus said, and turn the other cheek.

So, is it “let’s all be happily politically correct?” In reality, sans rose colored glasses… only those who respect objective moral standards will say that mohammad was a bad man. If you compare God’s laws to his behavior, one cannot say Mohammad was not engaging in terrible behaviors.

God the Father says that following mohammad instead His One and Only Begotten Son is wrong. Who are we to say they are right?

Those who said Mohammad was a criminal were right. Those who say Jesus was a criminal are wrong. There is absolutely no moral equivalency between the two.

We must reach out, but in truth and not falsely. We must reach out to pull those who are errant, into the truth. I am reaching out my hand to you, to come into the truth, the fullness of revealed truth taught only in the Catholic Church. Yes, some who enjoy calling themselves catholic, need to understand much better what it means to be Catholic. Please seek to understand.

A good start would be to have the decency and respect for our Lord to at least capitalize the name of Jesus each time it is written.

 

[Neil_Anthony]

Neil,
You have just enough “information” to be dangerous.

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Muslims deny the revealed truth about God. They have invented their own characteristics about God which they prefer. So, they’re worshiping their own version of God, not who He revealed Himself to be… quite a difference.

Jesus said: “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’”

I’d rather be a muslim before the judgement seat of God than the average Christian in the west, practicing fornication, completely removing God from society, allowing abortion and pornography, and accepting immodest dress. Let’s see us clean up our own act before we start criticizing other religions.

 

[planten]

Reply to post #417 of Agabriel;

It sounds like even some Muslims couldn’t handle the contradictions within the Quran.

There are no contradictions in the Quran.

Then this is just more proof the Quran is not the word of any god, it has been corrupted. Because in the Quran it has this sentence (shown are the 5 translations):

** We will have to look into those verses again. I do not have them here now. There are no bad words, even against the disiples of Jesus. The bibleNt blames them that they all ran awaya nd deserted jesus. they were found asleep when told by Jesus to keep awake and pray as he was also praying for somethign very important. But they were found asleep all the time. the Quran praises jesus and his mother and the disciples**.

So, are you saying that someone added that?

I do not know what you had been discussing. There is nothign in the Quran except the pure words of God (Allah). Nobody added or subtracted anything from that. it is all original.

I have to go back to someone saying this: I wouldn’t leave the salvation of my soul to such a muddled book as the Quran. I want a God that knows of our human abilities and to tell me exactly what it is I need for the salvation of my soul. The Quran is not only muddled, but filled with too much hatred for people I live with on this earth. And it even has a god that doesn’t like half of its human creations, and some of the animals it has created (pigs, dogs). That god doesn’t even sound like a god to me, but something that spreads ‘hate and discontent’ among us.

God (Allah) knows all about your capabilities and shortcomings.He has created you. He knows what is best for you. So please seek guidance from God (Allah) through His prophets.

And last but not least, it has a god that is deceptive, likes to create things just to throw them in hell and was way too concerned with Muhammed’s sexual life (or perversions ).

I do not know why are you worried about the sex life of a man?? Jesus was not a proper man or why did he not get married? Or perhaps he was properly lawfully married but you people are avoiding that matter because you do not like that your God should be married. Is that not your desire? And all such desires are bad.

 

[dolphinlove]

I’m a conservative Catholic, and I like Islam. I like it because:

time for me to give you a lesson or 2 about islam and why you should NOT like it.

• muslim women dress modestly

Yes they do, but so do practising Catholic women. Yet, the difference is, we are not made to wear hijab, berka or any other thing that may cover us completely from head to toe. Seeing women having their face fully covered is taking away their identities. Have you ever seen a photo of 5 women walking in the street together all completely covered? Its not a natural site. God did not give us our features to be completely covered. The main reason women are to cover themselves so much is to disway men from being attracted to them and not viewing them as sexual objects, this is a ruling made by muhammad who couldnt control his lust for women. Men of islam should learn to control their sexual desires more and stop forcing women to completely cover themselves.

• muslims aren’t afraid to pray in public like many Christians are

We dont pray in public? What do you call going to church?
And God gave us this in the bible:
Mat6
5 'And when you pray, do not imitate the hypocrites: they love to say their prayers standing up in the synagogues and at the street corners for people to see them. In truth I tell you, they have had their reward.
6 But when you pray, go to your private room, shut yourself in, and so pray to your Father who is in that secret place, and your Father who sees all that is done in secret will reward you.

• muslims worship God

Yes, they do worship God, or their interpretation of God.
God warned us about false prophets and how the devil can appear as an angel of light and decieve us. How did muhammad get his quran, from an angel who claim to be from God. This angel almost killed him in the process of giving him the quran of pushing him on the chest and almost stopped him breathing, do you think a true angel of God would be allowed to do that to us? VERY unlikely.

• muslims support laws that are in line with natural law

Oh man, sharia law… where do i start with this…
The best way to inform you of sharia law is by giving you a link, as it will take me too long to point out what is wrong with sharia law.
there is a very good site called faithfreedom that points out what sharia law really is, have a good look at it and then tell me if you think its a natural law.

Yay for muslims. If Christians won’t keep the west Holy, maybe God will have to send muslims to sanctify our countries. What a shame, but the shame is not on the muslims, it is on us.

The shame is on you for thinking like this, do you think its a good idea to be killed for what you believe in, because believe me, if they had their way, we would all be dead.
There are still many faithful Christians out there, why dont you try and come in contact them with them instead of rubbishing the west?
Also, dont think islamic countries are good, i met a few people in egypt who have been proposition for chiild sex and myself i was harrassed to no end, so dont think for one second muslims and their countries are pure, because it is far from the truth.
Also, look at the persecuted Christians in islamic countries, do you think they are living free lives, they are getting kidnapped, forced conversions, killed every day, while we live and breathe freedom. So think before you rubbish the west and Christians please!

 

[MDK]

Jesus said: “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’”

I’d rather be a muslim before the judgement seat of God than the average Christian in the west, practicing fornication, completely removing God from society, allowing abortion and pornography, and accepting immodest dress. Let’s see us clean up our own act before we start criticizing other religions.

Neil,

Islam is a false religion, a Christian heresy, which denies the Divinity of Jesus, our Lord. Islam misleads people, leading them away from the revealed truth of God, and into a false idea created by a marauder who stole from Christianity and twisted things to suit that society and culture at that time. Are you going to wait until all the girls in the US stop showing cleavage to speak out against this terrible blasphemy? Rather, what about as a balanced person, speaking out against what is wrong in each place, and what is right in each place? I choose to seek to be balanced, as Christ was and is, and speak the truth wherever it leads.

We need to inform ourselves to be truly Catholic. Do you really know what you’re saying there? You’'re comparing apples and oranges, and apparently romanticizing something you appear to know next to nothing about… nothing of substance, that is besides the appearances that they want you to see.

You’re also condemning the average person who calls themselves Christian without knowing anything about them individually, based on what the government allows or doesn’t allow as legal. Is this fair or even remotely based on justice?

To speak about the US, for instance, it is not a theocracy. We have all kinds of people in the US. We can choose to be on each end of the spectrum, from atheistic to completely Catholic. Because there is pornography next to your home for instance, but you oppose it, do you think God will judge you harshly even though you have openly and forcefully opposed it? I think not. So, do you really think God will judge you individually for the sins of an open society which you do not support?

How can we not all agree that you can call yourself anything you want, but unless you exhibit these characteristics, then we have to doubt the veracity. One can call their self a Christian, and not believe in the truths of Christianity, nor have many if any of the Christian characteristics. One can call their self a Muslim and not believe in many of the falsehoods of Islam. So, what’s really in a name one may use?

Are you claiming it’s better to be in a false religion who does not teach the truth, does not know God, and does not have His Sacraments, because they appear to have some restrictive rules in their government? I assure you, this is quite deceptive. Don’t be fooled by this appearance.

I could go on, but I hope you have a better idea of the way this is heading, and how you may need to reconsider things to be inline with the truth.

I have lived in the Middle East before, and studied Islam and Muslims quite a bit. I’m not the foremost expert, but how are you qualified to present an informed opinion, because I don’t see that your opinion is well formed in the least. You are of course entitled to it, even if it is errant.

Even without being perfect, I am happy to be myself, rather than any Muslim on the face of the earth now, or who has ever lived. Likewise, even though imperfect, I would rather be myself as a Catholic than any non Catholic. I know more is expected of me, because more truth and the greatest means of salvation and Grace are available to me in the Catholic Church, and this is lovely. I believe that God loves me the way I am, but also loves me too much to just leave me this way. So, I would rather be more informed and closer to God a month from now than I am now, otherwise I haven’t learned and grown and been nourished by God.

 

[swplan76]

I’m a conservative Catholic, and I like Islam. I like it because:

• muslim women dress modestly
• muslims aren’t afraid to pray in public like many Christians are
• muslims worship God
• muslims support laws that are in line with natural law

Yay for muslims. If Christians won’t keep the west Holy, maybe God will have to send muslims to sanctify our countries. What a shame, but the shame is not on the muslims, it is on us.

Muslim Women
From what I’ve read, the Qur’an does not present the idea that women go to heaven. In Islam, Heaven is a place where Muslims will have sex with “houris” (beautiful virgin women), drink wine and feast all day. Women are just property in Islam - that is where their clothing comes from - they belong to their family.

When I see Muslim women as I go about my daily activities, I am saddened by their clothes. One, because they believe the answer to the problem of lust is to dress in hijab. I went to a school that imposed a rule that girls could not wear skirts or shorts - they had to wear pants because teachers didn’t want to have to argue with students over the length of their dresses. I was an average male finishing off eleventh grade when summer came and all the girls I knew were in bathing suits, shorts and skirts - I was overthrown. It was amazing to me - suddenly I became drawn to their legs - I didn’t have sexual hang ups like that before the ban at my school. What would men do in a Muslim society if a woman were to walk around in a bathing suit in public while all the other women are in hijab? The men would be victims of lust. Hijab doesn’t solve the problem of lust, it actually makes it worse for the men in the larger scheme of things.

When I see Muslim women in my neighborhood, I don’t even think about talking to them. I think, “that woman, or girl, thinks the rest of us are dirt and that she and her community are better than us.” Clearly this is not the case for all Muslims, but I think this is what the hijab does.

The emphasis on the exterior that is found in Islam is a culture killer. Islam, along with teachings/philosophy and personal practice, also brings clothing and diet - it replaces the culture of the people it converts. Imagine if all of North America were to convert to Islam. So much culture would be destroyed. Christianity is not supposed to do this, but it has done it in the past. I think Christianity can be more like an ingredient that causes the beauty of culture to overflow and flourish. Islam is more like dye - it makes something blend together, discolors others and renovates… The bottom line is this: Islam believes nothing outside of Islam is good - Islam must replace everything.

Islam kills culture in another way as well. As Muslims move into a neighborhood, they don’t join in with the existing community, they create their own communities. So society becomes schitzophrenic - a society has multiple lives - true neighbors are pushed further apart. People can increasingly find themselves alone in a city full of people. Christianity teaches people to love their neighbors and their enemies. So, in theory, Christians would bring people together regardless of what they believe, but Islam does not teach this and in no way does it practice this. Much of the Qur’an and the teaching in a Mosque centers around how stupid Jews and Christians are, which gives Muslims justified reasons for not developing community except with other Muslims.

Praying in public
Christians pray all the time. We are taught not to put on a big production of it, but to do it privately, so, you are probably right, many forget, or do not pray as often as they should. Muslims pray 5 times a day, because it is one of the 5 basic requirements of a Muslim. They don’t do it because they want to spend time in prayer, but because it is a thing they are supposed to do.

“Muslims worship God.”
Who was the angel in the cave? Muhammad told people that it was Gabriel. The Bible warns us that Satan masquerades as an angel of light and that is exactly what Muhammad encountered. What does the Qur’an teach? It teaches that Jesus was just a man, just a prophet and they don’t believe in the redeeming power of Jesus’ death and resurrection - Islam is a response against the life, teachings, death and ressurrection of Jesus. Who was the angel in the cave? Who do Muslims worship? They call him Allah, but I don’t think its God.

“Muslims support laws that are in line with natural law”
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Read up on penalties that are talked about in the Qur’an, the Hadiths and in Shariah law and then tell me that Muslims have a system of law you would like to be governed by.

Muslims solve problems by responding with brutality.

Muslims respond to ideas they don’t agree with by insulting and condemning people.

If a Muslim converts from Islam, that person faces being murdered, even in North America. That is the just consequence for leaving Islam according to Islam.

The Solution for Christians
You are the solution. Clearly you see what is wrong with some things, so you need to find your place in living out the lifestyle you know God wants you to live and you need to do it in such a way that it draws others toward it. Become the good thing in your community - “…salt and light…” Don’t cheer on Islam and call yourself a Christian. Islam was formed to undo the freedom that Jesus came to bring.

 

[dolphinlove]

Jesus said: “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’”

I’d rather be a muslim before the judgement seat of God than the average Christian in the west, practicing fornication, completely removing God from society, allowing abortion and pornography, and accepting immodest dress. Let’s see us clean up our own act before we start criticizing other religions.

Do you know ANYTHING, and i mean anything about islam and its teachings?
Or are you just beginning to delve into it?
I would suggest you read through a few of the past threads and find some truth in islam, because you certainly wont get it from them.
Good luck

 

[dolphinlove]

MDK, At least we do not abuse Jesus and his mother like the christians do to Muhammad.

Rubbish, abusing Jesus is the very thing that got you suspended from here in the first place. How is calling Jesus who he REALLY is abusing him? we dont call him a mere prophet, he is the Son of God! Calling him a prophet is abusing him

There is no blasphmy if we call a man as a prophet. Nobody knew Jesus as a god. Abraham did not know him as a god. Moses did not know Jesus as a god. All the prophets of the Jews did not know that jesus was coming as a god. Jesus mother did not know that she gave birth to a god. Jesus was not genearlly worshipped as god. Most of his people knew Jesus as a prophet. this is written in the bibleNT.

Jesus was here after Abraham, he was here after Moses, so how were they to know of him? Mary knew who she was giving birth too, it says so right in the bible, and we have already told you about a billion times now. Jesus told us who he was, he is the Son of God. Your making things up again planten, will you stop going on with things you have no idea about!

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30 but the angel said to her, 'Mary, do not be afraid; you have won God’s favour.
31 Look! You are to conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you must name him Jesus.
32 He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David;

This is where Mary was told by the Angel Gabriel that she is carrying the Son of the most High, now this is the real Angel Gabriel, not the one that went to yr muhammad.
So your quote about Mary not knowing she was carrying the Son of God is a lie.

So you are inventing a new religion. You are to be blamed. Ask any Learned Jew of today if they were expecting a god on the earth. They will deny it. Jesus was a Jew. he was all for the Jews. It is nothing to do with any christian. It is a matter for the Jews and they will give their decision about Jesus. Thanks

Tell me, where did we deny Jesus was a Jew? You muslims are the ones who claim he was a muslim, and the religion was not even invented yet!!! Who is making things up now??? We have told you too many times now why and how the church started so im not going to repeat myself AGAIN!

It is the reverse of what you have said above. We consider you as blasphmers when you make a god out of the mere man- Jesus. It is exactly like the Jews of the time of Jesus. They considered Jesus a blasphemer. We feel same about the christians. The proof is written in the bibleNT. Jesus was accused of blasphemy by the high ranking Jews.

Whether it was the true blame or false case they put upon Jesus, that is beside the point. But the act of making a god out of a man is blasphemy even according to the bibleOT. It is same in the Quran. If you consider Jesus as a God, you are committing a sin of the highest order, according to Islam (And I hope according to the Jewish law too.) So please see. Where do you stand?

Jesus himself told us he was God, are you going to say that Jesus is a blasphemer? Where is the proof in the NT we are making it up?
We stand correct, everything is written in the bible, it says Jesus is God, it says who he really is, it is in the quran that is where the blaspheme starts, it denies who Jesus really is. There is nothing the devil wants more than Jesus to be denied, that is why islam was invented, to do this very thing!

 

[Neil_Anthony]

Do you know ANYTHING, and i mean anything about islam and its teachings?
Or are you just beginning to delve into it?
I would suggest you read through a few of the past threads and find some truth in islam, because you certainly wont get it from them.
Good luck

Here’s what I know: muslims don’t promote secularism, muslims believe in keeping religion parrt of society, and muslim women don’t force me to “guard my eyes” every time I go out in public. Muslims don’t practice fornication. Muslims who get married have large families.

In other words, from what I’ve seen, muslims are better Catholics than most catholics.

 

[pjk123]

Here is a Video ,which is much Enlightening.
youtube.com/watch?v=5wrhl51MelM