Why do you hate Islam?

[Gottle_of_Geer]

If I would like to know whether a religion is true or false, I should not depend on my emotions, feelings, or traditions. Rather, I should depend on my reason and intellect.

FWIW:​

• This poster doesn’t
• ISTM that religions can co-exist and bring forth their native fruits, rather than that they should be torn up by the roots. The parable of the wheat and the tares
• seems applicable here.
• ISTM we should heed all of the things you mention - reason is insufficient to do such work alone, in part because it is deceivable, & readily influenced by our blindspots & other failings.

 

[OnlyAmbrose]

Interesting. But is it not the whole point of faith is there is no proof?

Apparently Abraham didn’t think so.

Qur’an 2:260 - And when Abraham said: “My Lord, show me how You raise the dead,” He replied: “Have you not embraced the faith?” Abraham said: “Yes, but so that my heart be reassured.”

Allah then proceeds to perform a sign for Abraham’s “reassurance.” The previous verse (2:259) also mentions “a sign for mankind.”

So it seems signs and even witnessing these signs has not done much. Maybe someone can bring examples from the Bible also. I don’t know it as much as the Koran although I plan on studying it more.

It is obvious that there are instances in both the Qur’an and the Christian Bible in which signs were rejected. Nonetheless, Jesus’ ministry was essentially founded on preaching and signs. They are essential centerpieces in the Gospels. I think it’s equally evident that the acceptance of signs is by no means a universal occurrence one way or the other in the Qur’an.

 

[aileron]

Why do you hate Islam?

Do you know Islam respects Jesus and Mary very much and Jewish call them illegitimate and whore?

If this type of thinking is representative of what they teach in mainstream Islam, you’ve answered your own question.

 

[lid2]

I think this is will satisfy you all,

Singer “Cat Stevens” Oh, baby, baby it’s a wild world , story as told him:

By the early '70s he was rich, famous, filling stadiums and partying like the pop star he’d become. But before the decade was over he walked away from it all.

mountainoflight.co.uk/talks_journey_4.html

"When my brother came back to UK in 1976 there was a Festival of Islam taking place in London, everywhere were books about Islam. He saw the Qur’an in the bookshop and he said ‘That’s the Bible of the Muslims’. So, he decided to buy it and give it to me as a gift.

When I started to read the Qur’an, the first thing that I did was to try and keep an open mind because there were so many preconceived images already built up within me. Many are the times I’d visited my favourite spiritual bookshop in LA, called the Bhodi Tree, but never had I even bothered to look at the Islam bookshelf before. Perhaps that was because my father belonged to a Greek-Cypriot culture and, therefore, anything connected to Muslims was hostile to me.

But the more I read the Qur’an, the more it struck me, deep down. This was not quite that foreign religion which I had come to expect. First and foremost it was talking about belief in God, the Master of the universe; talking about humanity as one family. It mentioned many prophets, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad included, being brothers equally teaching the same message of unity to mankind, and all of us being the offspring of Adam and Eve.

“The innocent are here”

In the daytime time for celebration
No use looking down if it’s over here
It’s a world a new creation
And the golden light of the morning
Makes it easy to comb your hair
And the love of a child
It’s the time of the year
In the daytime you can move a mountain
With a blink of your eye
Now it’s over here now it’s over there
It’s a world with no complications
And the curtains on the window
Start blowing like your hair
And the love that I feel
Cause it’s the time of the year
Mysterious moon found me crying in the dark
Heard my footsteps on the stairs
Mysterious moon found me crying
But the sun dried my tears
Showed he cares
In the daytime time for celebration
No use looking down children open your eyes
It’s a world a whole nation
Now the white boats have landed
And the innocent are here
So dream for the child
Cause it’s the time of the year

DAYTIME
After a while I read the chapter called ‘Joseph’ (Yusuf). My life seemed to melt into a"
…

 

[bengland]

It mentioned many prophets, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad included, being brothers equally teaching the same message of unity to mankind, and all of us being the offspring of Adam and Eve.

And therein lies the problem.

Jesus is the Son of God

Mat 16:13-17 When Jesus went into the region of Caesarea Philippi he asked his disciples, Who do people say that the Son of Man is?
They replied, Some say John the Baptist, others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.
He said to them, But who do you say that I am?
Simon Peter said in reply, You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.
Jesus said to him in reply, Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.

“prophet” was the wrong answer.

 

[sedonaman]

…

First and foremost it was talking about belief in God, the Master of the universe; talking about humanity as one family.
…

Where does it say humanity is one family?

 

[planten]

Originally Posted by lid2
Why do you hate Islam?

Do you know Islam respects Jesus and Mary very much and Jewish call them illegitimate and whore?

**I do not believe any of that unless it is supported by the jews now that they really believed Mary to be an unchaste woman. I don’t believe any one objected to the family life of Mary. It is some kind of assumed blame. She had a husband and everything was normal. None of the Jews of that time blamed Mary for anything wrong. They knew the birth of Jesus was quite normal, at least apparantly. There was nothing objectionable in the birth of Jesus at all.

So from where have these bad reports (blames) been cooked?. I do not hear such things from the Jews here. So it is all being cooked in the minds of some Muslims that “people must have blamed Mary for the birth of Jesus.” That is very bad. That is not true at all.

Had it been abnormal birth (meaning illegitimate) then Jesus would not have survived even a day in that society.

The blame being circulated by the Muslims is based on wrong reading of the Quran. I would suggest that they never take up that wrong and sinful assumed thinking and should never circulate it.**

 

[GraceDK]

I think this is will satisfy you all,

Singer “Cat Stevens” Oh, baby, baby it’s a wild world , story as told him:

By the early '70s he was rich, famous, filling stadiums and partying like the pop star he’d become. But before the decade was over he walked away from it all.

mountainoflight.co.uk/talks_journey_4.html

"When my brother came back to UK in 1976 there was a Festival of Islam taking place in London, everywhere were books about Islam. He saw the Qur’an in the bookshop and he said ‘That’s the Bible of the Muslims’. So, he decided to buy it and give it to me as a gift.

When I started to read the Qur’an, the first thing that I did was to try and keep an open mind because there were so many preconceived images already built up within me. Many are the times I’d visited my favourite spiritual bookshop in LA, called the Bhodi Tree, but never had I even bothered to look at the Islam bookshelf before. Perhaps that was because my father belonged to a Greek-Cypriot culture and, therefore, anything connected to Muslims was hostile to me.

But the more I read the Qur’an, the more it struck me, deep down. This was not quite that foreign religion which I had come to expect. First and foremost it was talking about belief in God, the Master of the universe; talking about humanity as one family. It mentioned many prophets, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad included, being brothers equally teaching the same message of unity to mankind, and all of us being the offspring of Adam and Eve.

DAYTIME
After a while I read the chapter called ‘Joseph’ (Yusuf). My life seemed to melt into a"
…

Okay… so the reasons you list for becoming an Moslem you might as well have become any other of the three monotheistic religions.
I find your argument thin and emotion-based.
I might read a poem about Kierkegaard and become deeply moved… i might feel understood and connected somehow… but woe to me if I became a follower of a philosopher for the reasons of his language skills.
There is no coherence or continuity between what God Almighty revealed to us in Scripture and Jesus and then what allah says in the Koran. That is the first reason why I, upon studying Islams sacred texts, could never accept them. The second is the total moral inadequacy of Muhammad who was by any traditional standard a false prophet, unable to perform miracles, and who was living in unrepented sin all his life.

But what most interested me about your testimony is the fact that you never, prior to your Koran-reading, read the Bible with an open mind.
If you dont know the free love of Christ, you might accept the fake security and affection of any tyrant.

Peace be with you.

 

[Agabriel]

I think this is will satisfy you all,

Singer “Cat Stevens” Oh, baby, baby it’s a wild world , story as told him:

By the early '70s he was rich, famous, filling stadiums and partying like the pop star he’d become. But before the decade was over he walked away from it all.

mountainoflight.co.uk/talks_journey_4.html

"When my brother came back to UK in 1976 there was a Festival of Islam taking place in London, everywhere were books about Islam. He saw the Qur’an in the bookshop and he said ‘That’s the Bible of the Muslims’. So, he decided to buy it and give it to me as a gift.

When I started to read the Qur’an, the first thing that I did was to try and keep an open mind because there were so many preconceived images already built up within me. Many are the times I’d visited my favourite spiritual bookshop in LA, called the Bhodi Tree, but never had I even bothered to look at the Islam bookshelf before. Perhaps that was because my father belonged to a Greek-Cypriot culture and, therefore, anything connected to Muslims was hostile to me.

But the more I read the Qur’an, the more it struck me, deep down. This was not quite that foreign religion which I had come to expect. First and foremost it was talking about belief in God, the Master of the universe; talking about humanity as one family. It mentioned many prophets, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad included, being brothers equally teaching the same message of unity to mankind, and all of us being the offspring of Adam and Eve.

“The innocent are here”

In the daytime time for celebration
No use looking down if it’s over here
It’s a world a new creation
And the golden light of the morning
Makes it easy to comb your hair
And the love of a child
It’s the time of the year
In the daytime you can move a mountain
With a blink of your eye
Now it’s over here now it’s over there
It’s a world with no complications
And the curtains on the window
Start blowing like your hair
And the love that I feel
Cause it’s the time of the year
Mysterious moon found me crying in the dark
Heard my footsteps on the stairs
Mysterious moon found me crying
But the sun dried my tears
Showed he cares
In the daytime time for celebration
No use looking down children open your eyes
It’s a world a whole nation
Now the white boats have landed
And the innocent are here
So dream for the child
Cause it’s the time of the year

DAYTIME
After a while I read the chapter called ‘Joseph’ (Yusuf). My life seemed to melt into a"
…

I read the Quran and didn’t find it too ‘loving’. I didn’t find too much where it gave the label of ‘innocent’ or ‘human being’ to unbelievers. In fact, they were called unbelievers, kufir, apes and pigs. Not too much love there!

I think that you are reading into it things that you wish were there, as is Cat Stevens. Otherwise, you don’t tell us what religion you are or where you are from so you might not even have had a choice of what religion you are and might not be able to change religions that easily if you live in a majority Muslim area, or because you would lose contact with your family and friends if you leave Islam.

As for Cat Stevens, I don’t really care what he has to say about anything. He ranks right there with Brittany Spears, Sean Penn and Alec Baldwin.

 

[sedonaman]

…

The blame being circulated by the Muslims is based on wrong reading of the Quran.

If there is a wrong reading of the Qur’an, then there must be a right reading since no one would believe it otherwise [we have the Muslim “proof” that it must be true because so many believe it]. And in order for there to be a right reading of the Qur’an, someone must read it and interpret it correctly, and we have Sister Amy’s assurance that the Qur’an is “the perfect word of Allah” and “not subject to human interpretation” … IOW “it is what it is,” to use her phraseology.

As I pointed out earlier, for every verse of the Qur’an there is an equal but opposite verse, so it can mean whatever is convenient, and who is to say it’s wrong?

So there can’t be a “wrong” reading of the Qur’an.

 

[sedonaman]

…

As for Cat Stevens, I don’t really care what he has to say about anything. He ranks right there with Brittany Spears, Sean Penn and Alec Baldwin.

Don’t you realize that being a famous entertainer qualifies a liberal as an expert in politics, maybe even more than one area? Just look at Barbra Streisand and George Clooney, experts in foreign policy; and Jeanine Garafalo, who is an expert in the Just War Theory … just to name a few.

 

[koranist]

If there is a wrong reading of the Qur’an, then there must be a right reading since no one would believe it otherwise [we have the Muslim “proof” that it must be true because so many believe it]. And in order for there to be a right reading of the Qur’an, someone must read it and interpret it correctly, and we have Sister Amy’s assurance that the Qur’an is “the perfect word of Allah” and “not subject to human interpretation” … IOW “it is what it is,” to use her phraseology.

As I pointed out earlier, for every verse of the Qur’an there is an equal but opposite verse, so it can mean whatever is convenient, and who is to say it’s wrong?

So there can’t be a “wrong” reading of the Qur’an.

But isn’t that true with scriptures in general that they tend to be somewhat ambigous. But I agree the Koran has many faces. But the thing with the Koran is it talks about events on the ground and the Koran never gives background about events on the ground. Sunnis have oral stories behind these stories like when did the verse come down and what was the occassion. It seems that from the Koran Muhammad would be the least you know from the characters. There is a whole biography of Moses and Joseph with chronological order yet Muhammad is a mystery in the Koran. But now that I am more diverse with my thinking and read other scriptures and not just the Koran its less vague as it used to be. Also unlike my Sunni past, I don’t zoom in Muhammedan verses as I used to do but see different prophets with different biographies. Earlier I was taught that the verses that came down on Muhammad and his surrounding were the verses I should consider as laws and lifestyle, but now my thinking changed a lot. I don’t believe in that abrogation stuff. But prophets had different biographies and for some reasons religions tend to lock in on a personality and create a religious tradition out of that biography and limit God’s plan with that.

When I look for issues in the Koran I look at all the verses regardless of the prophet its talking about. Something that Sunnis never do. And then I look at the Gospel and the OT, not all Koranist do that but we tend to do that more than most Muslims by far.

I have tried to compare the scriptures but I think each are unique in their own way. The Gosple has the words of Jesus, something the Koran does not have. The OT is very complex and covers along span of time. The OT is not only a book of theology but I see it as the story of Israel. The Gosple creates a spiritual attachment with jesus and his disciples. I plan on studying them more in the future as my knowledge of the OT and NT is not as deep as the koran.But I still believe each of these scriptures is sufficient as a guidance and thats what even the Koran seems to say although many Muslims do not see it that way.

 

[Agabriel]

Don’t you realize that being a famous entertainer qualifies a liberal as an expert in politics, maybe even more than one area? Just look at Barbra Streisand and George Clooney, experts in foreign policy; and Jeanine Garafalo, who is an expert in the Just War Theory … just to name a few.

If those are their experts… :takeoff: no wonder they vote as they do! People who emote for a living - remember lines to become someone else…

As for Garafalo - I can’t figure out how she became a comedian!

It should show us all that what Muhammed and Hitler said that ‘smooth talk’ makes all the difference. These are people who know how to talk. well, then they vote for a President who has more ‘uhs’ in his talks without the teleprompter who would fail even the first session of Toast Masters, and they said he was a smooth talker - go figure. So maybe it is really emoting that is the most important.

this is really off topic, but I am listening to the radio (KSFO) and Mr. Spencer is talking and saying he is changing his mind about Obama being a Muslim. He is giving all the indications of being deceptive in that last visit to the Middle East. And he even mentions the hand gestures that are Muslim were used by Obama. I would have to see a video of him to see what Mr. Spencer is talking about in that regard. Oh well, right now Obama has spent over $900,000.00 to keep his birth certificate sealed and that battle still wages on. And his allowing Muslim charities to resume (the funding of Jihadists), and the putting of terrorists in our prisons which make fertile recruiting grounds for them - is a bit suspect…

 

[sedonaman]

But isn’t that true with scriptures in general that they tend to be somewhat ambigous.

Yes. Not a small part of this is due to the use of literary devices which cause a great deal of confusion because not everyone knows how to recognize them and how to interpret them, much less even know that they exist. Literary devices are alright for novels, but when your eternal salvation is at stake, you have only one chance to get it right, so it has to count. That’s why I advise those interested in Catholicism to read the Catechism first before trying to tackle the Bible.

…
It seems that from the Koran Muhammad would be the least you know from the characters.

Perhaps because it was written after his death?

 

[swplan76]

Why do you hate Islam?
Is it because Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world?
cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/
defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10042001_200110043.html
themodernreligion.com/convert/am.htm

Do you deeply believe in the logic of Islam and you can’t say it?
Did you visit Islamic sites or read Koran to judge it?
Judging can’t be done by quick overview but needs reading and comparing.
Do you know Islam respects Jesus and Mary very much and Jewish call them illegitimate and whore?
We have all the resources to know and judge. Check the Internet, it’s free.

I don’t hate Islam.
I do not believe the Qur’an is a book from God.
I believe either Mohammed made it up
or
He had an authentic experience with a supernatural being in a the cave, but the angel was not Gabriel - it was Satan

Islam does not respect Jesus.
Islam says that Jesus was just a prophet. When Christians say that Jesus is God’s son, or a part of the trinity, for Muslims, this is “Shirk,” it is one of the worst things a person can do - it is a sin against God in the eyes of Muslims.

Islam is a religion that demands obedience. It demands that a person does not ask questions. Study Shirk and Kufr - These are various things seen as sin. They instill fear and shut down a logical, rational mind.

The Bible says, “Taste and see that I am good.” God wants us to know and question and doubt. He isn’t afraid of our questions. He is able to provide us with answers. Islam calls it sin - Kufr.

Islam is for Peace by any means possible. If I am a Muslim and I want my idea of peace, but you don’t want my idea of peace, then you are opposed to peace and you can therefore be eliminated. The final Surah revealed is very short - the one just before it presents all sorts of instruction on how to obtain peace. Its called ‘Repentance,’ Surah 9. This Surah holds the most power of all because it is the second last, so it over rides all the other Surah’s authority (abrogation). Violence, ambush, murder are all appropriate according to this Surah.

I don’t hate Islam. I am saddened by Islam. I know God loves Muslims, just as He does all people. God doesn’t want Muslims to be enslaved by Islam, He wants them to be free. Islam can only offer blindness to humanity.

That is why so many Muslims can engage in violence - The Qur’an encourages it.
That’s why so many Muslims were seen celebrating on 9/11.
That’s why so many Muslims were not outraged by 9/11.
9/11 makes sense from the perspective of the Qur’an.

Hatred is ok in Islam because Muslims are given to go ahead to hate and murder their enemies.

Jesus tells us, “Love your enemy. Do good to those who persecute you.”

That is God’s message to us - He will heal the world with His love as we join Him.

Islam does not teach this message.

 

[imasinner]

If I would like to know whether a religion is true or false, I should not depend on my emotions, feelings, or traditions. Rather, I should depend on my reason and intellect.

Explain the reason and intellect behind a woman who is raped needing 4 witnesses to prove her innocence? Is God not aware that woman alone in her own home can be raped as well? Is justice to be denied her since no 4 witnesses are present? Are you saying a husband cannot rape his wife in the confines of their home? Please go ahead and explain this according to reason and intellect.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

I don’t hate the Islam religion. I reject it as a man-made religion and believe that it teaches things that are untrue and it tells lies about the bible and about Jesus and Mary. I think people who believe it is true are mistaken. However, I don’t want them to be persecuted for their beliefs. And I think some of what they believe is true such as there is only one God and we should adore and obey Him.

I fear and want to protect myself and my country from those Muslims who are suicide bombers and kill people. If those people are doing this in the name of their religion then either it is an evil religion indeed or the leaders of this religion who are teaching false things about it and telling those people to go out and kill in God’s name are evil.

I know a man from Djibouti who had to leave the country of his ancestors because the Muslim government would not allow him to keep his job in the printing press company where he had been an excellent worker for many years. He was very loyal to the Muslim owners of his company. One night (he lived near the printing press) he saved the company from being robbed. But they fired him because he was a Christian, only for that reason.

His children went to France to study at the university because they were not allowed in the university in their own country. The man now lives in the United States and I have spoken to him many times. He is a good man and did not want to leave his own country.

When I see something like this happen, I think that Islam must teach people to be unfair. I think that Muslims do not want to live in peace with Christians and Jews.

Please answer:

1. Is it a teaching of Islam to kill people who don’t accept Islam?
2. Is it a teaching of Islam that Muslims should take over the countries where Christians or Jews live and not allow the Christians or Jews to live in peace there or to talk to Muslims about their beliefs?
3. Is it a teaching of Islam to kill Muslims who become Christians or Jews?

You have not answered my questions. If your answers are “yes”, then that would give other people a good reason to hate or fear Islam. I think Islam doesn’t teach Muslims to live in peace with those of other religions.

 

[planten]

I don’t hate Islam.
I do not believe the Qur’an is a book from God.
I believe either Mohammed made it up
or
He had an authentic experience with a supernatural being in a the cave, but the angel was not Gabriel - it was Satan

Islam does not respect Jesus.
Islam says that Jesus was just a prophet. When Christians say that Jesus is God’s son, or a part of the trinity, for Muslims, this is “Shirk,” it is one of the worst things a person can do - it is a sin against God in the eyes of Muslims.

Islam is a religion that demands obedience. It demands that a person does not ask questions. Study Shirk and Kufr - These are various things seen as sin. They instill fear and shut down a logical, rational mind.

The Bible says, “Taste and see that I am good.” God wants us to know and question and doubt. He isn’t afraid of our questions. He is able to provide us with answers. Islam calls it sin - Kufr.

Islam is for Peace by any means possible. If I am a Muslim and I want my idea of peace, but you don’t want my idea of peace, then you are opposed to peace and you can therefore be eliminated. The final Surah revealed is very short - the one just before it presents all sorts of instruction on how to obtain peace. Its called ‘Repentance,’ Surah 9. This Surah holds the most power of all because it is the second last, so it over rides all the other Surah’s authority (abrogation). Violence, ambush, murder are all appropriate according to this Surah.

I don’t hate Islam. I am saddened by Islam. I know God loves Muslims, just as He does all people. God doesn’t want Muslims to be enslaved by Islam, He wants them to be free. Islam can only offer blindness to humanity.

That is why so many Muslims can engage in violence - The Qur’an encourages it.
That’s why so many Muslims were seen celebrating on 9/11.
That’s why so many Muslims were not outraged by 9/11.
9/11 makes sense from the perspective of the Qur’an.

Hatred is ok in Islam because Muslims are given to go ahead to hate and murder their enemies.

Jesus tells us, “Love your enemy. Do good to those who persecute you.”

That is God’s message to us - He will heal the world with His love as we join Him.

Islam does not teach this message.

 

[planten]

Originally Posted by swplan76 FPRIVATE “TYPE=PICT;ALT=View Post”
I don’t hate Islam.
I do not believe the Qur’an is a book from God.
I believe either Mohammed made it up
or
He had an authentic experience with a supernatural being in a the cave, but the angel was not Gabriel - it was Satan

There was no need to reply to your false notions. Prophets had been coming and the angels too came even to the non-prophets.

Islam does not respect Jesus.
Islam says that Jesus was just a prophet. When Christians say that Jesus is God’s son, or a part of the trinity, for Muslims, this is “Shirk,” it is one of the worst things a person can do - it is a sin against God in the eyes of Muslims

.

Only Islam respects Jesus.No other religion does it. To be a prophet is the highest that a man can achieve. it is a sin to make a god out of a simple man born out of a woman. Abraham and Moses and Jesus were all monotheists. They never knew about Trinity.

Islam is a religion that demands obedience. It demands that a person does not ask questions. Study Shirk and Kufr - These are various things seen as sin. They instill fear and shut down a logical, rational mind

.

** Every religion demands obediance to Allah only through His prophets who bring the message and they demand obediance to God. See the bible OT too.**

The Bible says, “Taste and see that I am good.” God wants us to know and question and doubt. He isn’t afraid of our questions. He is able to provide us with answers. Islam calls it sin - Kufr

.

There is no such thing. Islam tells Muslims to pray to Allah for increase in knowledge.
The prophet Muhammad said “acquire knowledge even if youhave to go to China.”
The prophet Muhammad said "It is the duty (obligatory) of every Muslim man and woman to gain knowledge."

Islam is for Peace by any means possible.

If I am a Muslim and I want my idea of peace, but you don’t want my idea of peace, then you are opposed to peace and you can therefore be eliminated. The final Surah revealed is very short - the one just before it presents all sorts of instruction on how to obtain peace. Its called ‘Repentance,’ Surah 9. This Surah holds the most power of all because it is the second last, so it over rides all the other Surah’s authority (abrogation). Violence, ambush, murder are all appropriate according to this Surah.

** Islam is for Peace at all costs. Repentence is necessary for all Muslims. Repentence was taught by John the baptist and Jesus too. But catholics replaced repentence with the blood of Jesus for salvation.
There is no abrogation in the Quran. It is all valid as was all Old Testament valid as said by Jesus that not a dot of the law will be abrogated**.

I don’t hate Islam. I am saddened by Islam. I know God loves Muslims, just as He does all people. God doesn’t want Muslims to be enslaved by Islam, He wants them to be free. Islam can only offer blindness to humanity

.

You have wrtitten that you do not hate Islam. Similarly we say that we do not hate christianity. There is complete freedom in Islam, Do not go after what the present day Muslims are doing. Rather see what your Catholics are doing. I mean teh drinking and the free sex and the gambling dens that are all over the places.

That is why so many Muslims can engage in violence - The Qur’an encourages it.
That’s why so many Muslims were seen celebrating on 9/11.
That’s why so many Muslims were not outraged by 9/11.
9/11 makes sense from the perspective of the Qur’an

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That was political pain in the stomach. Nothing to do with any spiritual matter. Please do not blame Quran for what it is not responsible. Islam did not teach to make the 9/11 attacks.

Hatred is ok in Islam because Muslims are given to go ahead to hate and murder their enemies.

Jesus tells us, “Love your enemy. Do good to those who persecute you.”

You have just made your own formula to your benefit and to the disadvantage of Islam. It has no meaning. it is just a few words of your mouth. You do not know anything about love. Your love is fake. Your love is fraud.

That is God’s message to us - He will heal the world with His love as we join Him.

Keep on hoping against hope. Your hopes will never be realised in the next world. jesus or Moses or Muhammad or Abraham will never like to see your face full of hatred for their religion i.e. Islam.

 

[sedonaman]

planten:
Spinning yarns as usual, I see.

**
… The prophet Muhammad said “It is the duty (obligatory) of every Muslim man and woman to gain knowledge.”**

In Islam, pure illiteracy is divine. The uneducated prophet of Islam called himself “a guardian of the illiterates sent by Allah” (Bukhari, 3:34:335). Another hadith (Sunaan Ibn Majah V:4290) reveals that Allah loves illiterate people and hates educated people and he had promised the first entry to Paradise to the illiterate Muslims and the last entry to the educated Muslims. The reason was simple. Muhammad wanted to keep his followers away from education because he knew that his newly established religion could not survive if criticism is allowed. As Toland (cited Gunny, 1996; p. 95) wrote, “… because he [Muhammad] clearly saw that the spirit of inquiry would not favor him. This is how Islam maintained itself.” Qur’an (5:101, 5:102) very strictly prohibits criticism. Diderot (1975, p. 230) expressed the same reason of Muhammad’s concern to keep his followers in darkness of ignorance, because reason is the greatest enemy of Islam. He wrote “since he [Muhammad] could not read or write, and so this had encouraged Muslims to hate and have contempt for knowledge, which in turn secured the survival of Islam.”

Islam is for Peace by any means possible.

That’s right! Only we know what Islamic “peace” is.

**Islam is for Peace at all costs. Repentence is necessary for all Muslims. Repentence was taught by John the baptist and Jesus too. But catholics replaced repentence with the blood of Jesus for salvation. **

out loud.

**There is no abrogation in the Quran. **

Still out loud.

**You have wrtitten that you do not hate Islam. Similarly we say that we do not hate christianity.
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Muslim armies took over lands that had been Christian for 1,000 years because they loved Christians. That kind of love we can do without.

There is complete freedom in Islam, Do not go after what the present day Muslims are doing. Rather see what your Catholics are doing. I mean teh drinking and the free sex and the gambling dens that are all over the places.

Henry Ford once said, “You can have any color car you want just as long as it’s black.” There is “complete freedom” in Islam as long as it doesn’t conflict with Islam.

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…Please do not blame Quran for what it is not responsible. Islam did not teach to make the 9/11 attacks**.

Right again! 9/11 is not mentioned in the Qur’an.

You have just made your own formula to your benefit and to the disadvantage of Islam. It has no meaning. it is just a few words of your mouth. You do not know anything about love. Your love is fake. Your love is fraud.

There is in the Qur’an an exhortation to men to love Allah. Perhaps the best verse in the Qur’an which contains this injunction is this one:
“Say, If ye love Allah, follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins”. Surah 3:31
Significantly, however, one does not find in this verse (nor in any other in the Qur’an) the command to love Allah with “all your heart, soul, and mind”. The reason is fairly clear from the verse itself. The hearer is exhorted to love Allah so that he may thereby obtain Allah’s love and forgiveness. The basic object, therefore, of this love is the acquittal and approval of Allah for the believer. Accordingly the motivation for such love must be the welfare and comfort of the believer. It is not suggested in the Qur’an that such love must be exercised in a disinterested and selfless manner with the glory of Allah foremost in the believer’s mind. On the contrary,*** the object of such love is really the believer himself.*** He seeks by this love fundamentally to turn aside Allah’s wrath and to gain his approval in its place. Now this is not the fruit of genuine love. Such love, as we have seen, must be the exercise of the purest affections of the heart towards Allah – it cannot be accompanied by an ancillary motive such as the principal objective of obtaining Allah’s forgiveness.
"For this reason it is therefore quite significant that the Qur’an does not exhort the believer to love Allah with all his heart. Such love from the heart is essentially selfless in nature. That which seeks its own security does not proceed from the heart. It is not the expression of the deepest affections of the very kernel of a man’s being. Love in the latter sense seeks principally the glory of its object – but that which strives for the approval of Allah and considers primarily its own prospects of forgiveness is fundamentally self-motivated. It cannot be described as genuine love and certainly he who loves Allah chiefly to obtain his forgiveness is not fulfilling the royal commandment – indeed what Jesus called the “great and first commandment” to love God with all his heart, soul and mind. As we saw earlier, the fear of Allah’s wrath disqualifies the potential for genuine love in the heart.

Keep on hoping against hope. Your hopes will never be realised in the next world. jesus or Moses or Muhammad or Abraham will never like to see your face full of hatred for their religion i.e. Islam.

It is not a sin to hate a heresy.

Mohammed was delusional, and I must commend you on your imitation of him.