Why do you hate Islam?

[HickmanJosh]

Agabriel i can hardly believe what i am reading from your posts, you are talking about making all Muslims second class citizens. Banning clerics from travel and destroying there right to a place of worship, i am sure that is not what Jesus would want.

  Offer them the truth, if they chose to Ignore it then so what, that's their choice and its not our place to force Christianity on anyone. I don't know about America but here in Canada we have a little thing called FREEDOM OF RELIGION, maybe you should check it out. Oh and i should also point out Hitler said the same things about Judaism before and during his Dictatorship.

 PEACE BE WITH YOU

HickmanJosh

 

[pjk123]

\swplan76:

I don’t think we should ban the Qur’an. I don’t think we should force people into submission. That is what Muhammad did. If we are going to take action against Islam, it must be done in a way that would reflect the heart of Jesus. Jesus responds to Muslims with love and we are to respond to them with love as well. It seems pretty fruitless sometimes, but that is what we are supposed to do. God is at work, even if it seems like their hearts are hard. Moses kept at Pharaoh even when it seemed like there could be no movement.

We have a Old proverb here in India -
What use is it to read the Vedas to a wild buffalo

The Real Actions must be taken by countries to prevent Islam.I am not telling to kill someone.but to do the damage control.we ,in India got the Worst Shock during 26/11/2008 Bombay Attack from the Jehadis of pakistan.Such Things and the terrorism(=islam) has to be stopped ASAP.

for that,I feel -we need to follow atleast the 5 things I enlisted in one of the above posts.

26/11 Bombay Attack:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/26/11
funonthenet.in/forums/index.php?topic=116940.0
I have heard from a friend that Muslims of a City in India tried to Protect the Islamic Terrorists who has just done a Bomb attack.There are many places all over the world(Europeans or Americans may not be aware of) and Especially India ,where Muslims come together and attack.Should we keep quiet?It is unlike in Europe that we in India faces Islam.This Cult Destroyed Our People ,many of them -for example the pakistanis,Bangladeshis were once Hindus ,Afghan’s Kandahar was Gandhar from the Epic Mahabharatha.This Cult Destroyed and Arabized the South Asia in Special.Taleban is Accepted as true people who enforces sharia by Saudi arabia and Pakistan.Simply Keeping Peace talks is not frutiful in such Situations.Hence the Old Proverb:
What use is it to read the Vedas(Bible) to a wild buffalo (who is coming to attack)

 

[sedonaman]

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I don’t know about America but here in Canada we have a little thing called FREEDOM OF RELIGION, …

Then let me inform you that here in America anti-Christianity, and anti-Catholicism in particular, are the last of the socially acceptable forms of bigotry.

 

[sedonaman]

We have a Old proverb here in India -
What use is it to read the Vedas to a wild buffalo

The Real Actions must be taken by countries to prevent Islam.I am not telling to kill someone.but to do the damage control.we ,in India got the Worst Shock during 26/11/2008 Bombay Attack from the Jehadis of pakistan.Such Things and the terrorism(=islam) has to be stopped ASAP.

for that,I feel -we need to follow atleast the 5 things I enlisted in one of the above posts.

26/11 Bombay Attack:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/26/11
funonthenet.in/forums/index.php?topic=116940.0
I have heard from a friend that Muslims of a City in India tried to Protect the Islamic Terrorists who has just done a Bomb attack.There are many places all over the world(Europeans or Americans may not be aware of) and Especially India ,where Muslims come together and attack.Should we keep quiet?It is unlike in Europe that we in India faces Islam.This Cult Destroyed Our People ,many of them -for example the pakistanis,Bangladeshis were once Hindus ,Afghan’s Kandahar was Gandhar from the Epic Mahabharatha.This Cult Destroyed and Arabized the South Asia in Special.Taleban is Accepted as true people who enforces sharia by Saudi arabia and Pakistan.Simply Keeping Peace talks is not frutiful in such Situations.Hence the Old Proverb:
What use is it to read the Vedas(Bible) to a wild buffalo (who is coming to attack)

Political correctness was invented to conceal and/or deny truth. The major media in the U.S. sanitizes the news to show Islam in the best possible light. If those events got reported, the media would not mention that they are Muslims. The Internet is the only place we can find out about such attacks.

 

[Agabriel]

Agabriel i can hardly believe what i am reading from your posts, you are talking about making all Muslims second class citizens. Banning clerics from travel and destroying there right to a place of worship, i am sure that is not what Jesus would want.

  Offer them the truth, if they chose to Ignore it then so what, that's their choice and its not our place to force Christianity on anyone. I don't know about America but here in Canada we have a little thing called FREEDOM OF RELIGION, maybe you should check it out. Oh and i should also point out Hitler said the same things about Judaism before and during his Dictatorship.

 PEACE BE WITH YOU

HickmanJosh

#1. IF YOU BRING UP ABORTION, THIS DISCUSSION IS FINISHED BETWEEN YOU AND ME!

I never said to force Christianity on them. And I never said to make them 2nd class citizens. Taking Islam out of the category of religion is just telling it like it should be told.

Freedom of religion does not mean this, while it does mean it in Islam:

• killing or subjugating people and giving them no rights just because they are not Muslims.
• beating Muslim women
• raping (any) women just because they are not wearing a tent or their scarves
• the goal of replacing our constitution with their abominable sharia laws
• teaching hatred of Jews, Christians and pagans - dehumanizing them by calling them names of animals
• killing people because they are homosexuals
• amputate limbs, stone women, hang people, ‘honor killings’, etc for PERCEIVED offenses against another (basically, taking the law into their own hands)
• assasinating people because of some fatwa
• demanding that we give up pork, alcohol, etc just because they don’t want it
• killing people if they leave Islam, killing people if they speak against Islam (Muhammed, the Quran, etc)
• polygamy
• pediphilia
• slavery

I could probably think of more items if I thought about it a bit longer. But when Muslims say they are being persecuted in our lands, it usually means they cannot do one or more of the above.

 

[slyboots]

America already used the Atomic bomb against the women and children of Japan. So a precedent has been set for the use of the nuclear bombs, not by the Islamic world, but by America.

There you go again Bob.
Yes, the atomic bomb dropped on Japan ended WWII. Finished. No Christians thinks killing is a good thing. The teachings in the NT as taught by Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior and His Apostles directs us that killing is the last thing we should want to do.
Unlike Islam…
“Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191
“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123
“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5
“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85
“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” Koran 9:30
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33
“The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque.” Koran 9:28
“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19
Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.” Koran 47:4
“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65
“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28
“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12
“Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60

Islam is no religion of peace. There is no peace in Islam unless we submit to Allah AND his prophet Mohammed.

 

[Agabriel]

So many people cannot differentiate between a country and a religion. Well, Islam does muddy those differences, but we were fighting not only a fascism in Europe, but also a religious fascism in Japan. What one could call the ‘State Shinto’ brought on WWII with the Japanese.

Anyway, a Progressive (the beginnings of Progressivism which is a Marxist type of thought, or what we see now in our left wing liberals) President Truman (FDR’s VP) is the one who made the decision to drop that bomb, and three others, made the decision to drop the bomb - after some intelligence they received about Japan.

There was no end in sight in the war with Japan. In fact, a few days BEFORE the fist bomb was dropped, the Japanese tested their own atomic bomb.

Leon Thompson was a medical technician in Tokyo, Japan. He described a diagram of the Japanese atomic bomb and it was exactly like the U.S. bomb:

“One hot summer day in the park outside Japan’s Imperial Palace, I met up with Mr. Papps, an OSS Officer. His office was just a few yards down the hallway from Gen. MacArthur’s office and he invited me to see his office. As I walked into his office, I saw three top American atomic scientists going over a large diagram of some kind of device. I asked Mr. Papps what it was and he said it was the actual diagram of the Japanese atomic bomb. I asked him if it was workable. He said, “Yes.” “It was just like ours and very workable.” He also showed me some Japanese orders to use the bomb on the Allies when they came into Japanese waters; how they would do this was not explained.” (Military Magazine, p. 37).

Thank God we did not have political correctness running the show back then or else I really wonder if the Japanese would have let us have our nation and helped to rebuild it like we helped them. We eventually left Japan. And their land is intact.

I get really tired of people and this ‘America is bad because…’ junk, or ‘Christianity is bad because…’ and this one just blows me away ‘Islam is peaceful because Americans and Christians were so bad…’.

Get a grip, learn some history and thank God we have America so you can write because under fascisms you cannot. In fact, we probably wouldn’t even have the internet if a fascism ruled the world as they always seem to want to do.

 

[HickmanJosh]

#1. IF YOU BRING UP ABORTION, THIS DISCUSSION IS FINISHED BETWEEN YOU AND ME!

I never said to force Christianity on them. And I never said to make them 2nd class citizens. Taking Islam out of the category of religion is just telling it like it should be told.

Well lets see, you want to make a separate school system for Muslim children, you want to cancel there right to make Mosques, in your words

Also start looking at these compounds they have around the USA more closely.

which is illegal, funny i am pretty sure they have the same laws in some middle east nations for Christians. as for this, even if you did find guns what would you do; throw them all in jail? If what you say is true then you would need a lot more jails and if you sent them home they would only come back.

Sounds like second class citizenship to me.

Freedom of religion does not mean this, while it does mean it in Islam:

• killing or subjugating people and giving them no rights just because they are not Muslims.
• beating Muslim women
• raping (any) women just because they are not wearing a tent or their scarves
• the goal of replacing our constitution with their abominable sharia laws
• teaching hatred of Jews, Christians and pagans - dehumanizing them by calling them names of animals
• killing people because they are homosexuals
• amputate limbs, stone women, hang people, ‘honor killings’, etc for PERCEIVED offenses against another (basically, taking the law into their own hands)
• assasinating people because of some fatwa
• demanding that we give up pork, alcohol, etc just because they don’t want it
• killing people if they leave Islam, killing people if they speak against Islam (Muhammed, the Quran, etc)
• polygamy
• pediphilia
• slavery

This is all illegal under international law, and if Muslims move to the west then they must respect all our laws. Reclassifying the second biggest faith on earth to a cult won’t help ether, it will only give the terrorist more proof and motivation to attack the west. you think its bad now, think about how bad it will get if we do what your suggesting.

subjugating people and giving them no rights just because they are not Muslims.

your saying we should suppress Muslims culture and tradition just because a bunch of wackos in some spider pit got together and decided to kill a whack of people. This is not morally, legally, politically or ethically correct. we should defend ourselves but this, this is pushing it beyond all rationality.

But when Muslims say they are being persecuted in our lands, it usually means they cannot do one or more of the above.

What are they going to start saying if we start drawing domestic lines between Muslim communities and Non-Muslim ones, if we start invading there temples, if we start teaching their children thing’s that are in contradiction to what there parents are saying, (i assume you would also make it compulsory for Muslim children to attend these schools so no home schooled Muslims can slide passed the “anti-brainwashing campaign”.)

this my friends is not what any good soul should want. this my friends is how genocides begin. Turning our governments into oppressive regimes is not what any good person knows is best. Oh what do you think of Muslims joining western governments? i assume you won’t let them in there either. What about there right to vote, will that still exist? surly such violent opinions can’t be aloud to impact the mainstream opinion.

Building a big wall around the west and kicking all the undesirables out is exactly what Hitler wanted to do. do you really want to be compared to him as anything other than a polar opposite?

Peace to all

HickmanJosh

 

[Agabriel]

Well lets see, you want to make a separate school system for Muslim children, you want to cancel there right to make Mosques, in your words

No one ever said to segregate them. You did.

which is illegal, funny i am pretty sure they have the same laws in some middle east nations for Christians. as for this, even if you did find guns what would you do; throw them all in jail? If what you say is true then you would need a lot more jails and if you sent them home they would only come back.

Sounds like second class citizenship to me.

There is where your ‘guessing’ is wrong again. No unbeliever (or dhimmi) is allowed to vote, hold public office, they are to be humiliated daily, they can only work whatever jobs that Muslims deem for them.

Once again, I never said to throw them in jail.

YOu certainly have an active imagination. If they commit a crime, then they can sit in a jail or answer to their crime(s) on a court date just like anyone else.

This is all illegal under international law, and if Muslims move to the west then they must respect all our laws. Reclassifying the second biggest faith on earth to a cult won’t help ether, it will only give the terrorist more proof and motivation to attack the west. you think its bad now, think about how bad it will get if we do what your suggesting.

your saying we should suppress Muslims culture and tradition just because a bunch of wackos in some spider pit got together and decided to kill a whack of people. This is not morally, legally, politically or ethically correct. we should defend ourselves but this, this is pushing it beyond all rationality.

Why worry about their culture if they are migrating here to be Americans. I certainly do not worry about it. I am not a multiculturalist.

The emphasis that all cultures are equal is hogwash. If it were there would be an equal migration to their lands and there is not. They leave because their culture allowed oppression, persecution, low chances for advancement, etc.

What are they going to start saying if we start drawing domestic lines between Muslim communities and Non-Muslim ones, if we start invading there temples, if we start teaching their children thing’s that are in contradiction to what there parents are saying, (i assume you would also make it compulsory for Muslim children to attend these schools so no home schooled Muslims can slide passed the “anti-brainwashing campaign”.)

this my friends is not what any good soul should want. this my friends is how genocides begin. Turning our governments into oppressive regimes is not what any good person knows is best. Oh what do you think of Muslims joining western governments? i assume you won’t let them in there either. What about there right to vote, will that still exist? surly such violent opinions can’t be aloud to impact the mainstream opinion.

Building a big wall around the west and kicking all the undesirables out is exactly what Hitler wanted to do. do you really want to be compared to him as anything other than a polar opposite?

Peace to all

HickmanJosh

I don’t know where you get the idea I want a big wall. What I want is for Muslims to stop their agenda that everyone should be a MUslim, subjugated under them, or dead.

That is they who have those options for peace, not me.

How about reading something instead of being a zombie robot in your classrooms?

I look at the post who told us what the Hindus wanted to do with the Quran and applaud them. They have had three major jihads against them and are currently in one that was renewed in the late 2007. They know that when the Muslim population increases it is not pretty. They are now experiencing the kidnappings and rape of their women by Muslim men wanting to force them into marriage and Islam. They have a level of violence that no news media even cares to cover.

The same thing has been happening in the Philippines - in fact, anywhere the Muslims start gaining. I have already posted about those things happening.

 

[Agabriel]

sorry, had to delete post

 

[HickmanJosh]

No one ever said to segregate them. You did.

Kick the MSA out of our schools too. They have been attacking Jews and spreading anti-Semitism and it is on the increase. make sure they teach the correct history in our kid’s textbooks - not some fairy tales about Muhammed. You know, like the ones they try to tell us!

so What do you mean by this ?

There is where your ‘guessing’ is wrong again. No unbeliever (or dhimmi) is allowed to vote, hold public office, they are to be humiliated daily, they can only work whatever jobs that Muslims deem for them.

Funny because in Iran there are seats in parliament reserved for Christian Politicians and several other minority religions.

They leave because their culture allowed oppression, persecution, low chances for advancement, etc.

So your saying Muslims that come to the west are hear to do good and be good people and that there feed up with all the oppression, so why are you so worried about them turning violent if they are fleeing the violence to find peace?

How about reading something instead of being a zombie robot in your classrooms?

I read a Bible when i was bored.

 

[Agabriel]

so What do you mean by this ?

Funny because in Iran there are seats in parliament reserved for Christian Politicians and several other minority religions.

So your saying Muslims that come to the west are hear to do good and be good people and that there feed up with all the oppression, so why are you so worried about them turning violent if they are fleeing the violence to find peace?

I read a Bible when i was bored.

Yeah, and I am getting bored with this.

I think you are the one worried about violence. I wasn’t. Why would there be violence if what you and the Muslims are asserting is true - that they are peaceful.

You need to get yourself educated and I am going to go onto a different subject. I gave my post and I don’t care if you do or do not like it.

When you study their history, especially the current history, you will find that as their populations increase so do their Jihadists. And they become ever increasingly unhelpful in stopping them, in fact I, and many others, have posted about their mosques and madrassas teaching hatred and anti-semitism.

I keep having to repeat stuff to you for some reason. So, I am going to stop answering your questions. You need to get educated, and if others want to take the time with you then fine.

I don’t know in what history class you learned that appeasing a violent idiology has ever worked.

 

[Hadi]

There is where your ‘guessing’ is wrong again. No unbeliever (or dhimmi) is allowed to vote, hold public office, they are to be humiliated daily, they can only work whatever jobs that Muslims deem for them…

Wrong, Muslims in the past were ruled by monarchy ,so there was no voting ,Christians and Jews had their own courts and also many of them were minsters (vizirs) in the government and some were doctors and traders.

maybe you can show us examples of tolerance towards Muslims before the 16th century…

 

[planten]

** Agabriel seems to be suffering from own personal and political greiviences. There is nothing religious in the quotes from Agabriel. And nothing sensible or justified argument. Only Agabriel is full of hatred against Islam for no justified reason.

I wish Agabriel worked on the principle “Love for All, Hatred for none.” That would solve some problems for all of us. There should be no hatred for any one, any jew or Christian or Muslim or Hindu or Budhist or any Atheist.**.

 

[Agabriel]

Wrong, Muslims in the past were ruled by monarchy ,so there was no voting ,Christians and Jews had their own courts and also many of them were minsters (vizirs) in the government and some were doctors and traders.

maybe you can show us examples of tolerance towards Muslims before the 16th century…

I don’t care about the 16th century other than studying history. Why don’t you review the bloody jihads and then come back and tell me about tolerance? Since Islam’s ideology is one lacking toleration, you can go do your own search(s).

The hollowness of the idea that Jihad is an inner struggle

how about studying the history of Jihad overall yourself?

You and HickmanJosh have something in common, he wants to appease you and you want an appeaser - a “yes” man.

I wonder how the Sudanese Christians would perceive Muslim tolerance. Or the Egyptian Copts, Lebonese Christians, Iraqi Christians, etc would describe Muslim toleration? I wonder…

Just this week there was a bombing aimed at Philippino Christians.

How about the Jews in our own colleges in my state (California)? The Muslim Student association and their increase in attacks against them, and their anti-semitic rants/protests.

Go answer your own questions about how Muslims tolerate others.

 

[Agabriel]

** Agabriel seems to be suffering from own personal and political greiviences. There is nothing religious in the quotes from Agabriel. And nothing sensible or justified argument. Only Agabriel is full of hatred against Islam for no justified reason.

I wish Agabriel worked on the principle “Love for All, Hatred for none.” That would solve some problems for all of us. There should be no hatred for any one, any jew or Christian or Muslim or Hindu or Budhist or any Atheist.**.

Since Islam is political, all invasive, I don’t know what you are talking about. Muslims themselves have said it is just as much political as it is a religion. It is so controlling you guys can’t even go to the bathroom without some Sharia law telling you what to do.

I have never given you any other idea of my feelings for Islam. I don’t know why all the complaining. I don’t hate the Christians, Muslims, or the Hindus, or buddhists, or atheists. You are putting your own prejudices onto me.

Here… if you need a hug…:hug1:

 

[pjk123]

I think One of the “Catholic” Member Here is acting exactly like moslem-justifying everything unimaginable.Lieing and Deceiving in enemy’s territory to subjugate infidels(Kuffrs) are also allowed on koran.So Josh Josh!

Come out of Catholic title!It is simply not worth fitting for such Islamic apologists!

 

[Agabriel]

Video on %Muslims/%Violence

 

[nsper7]

Why do you hate Islam?
Is it because Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world?
cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/
defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10042001_200110043.html
themodernreligion.com/convert/am.htm

Do you deeply believe in the logic of Islam and you can’t say it?
Did you visit Islamic sites or read Koran to judge it?
Judging can’t be done by quick overview but needs reading and comparing.
Do you know Islam respects Jesus and Mary very much and Jewish call them illegitimate and whore?
We have all the resources to know and judge. Check the Internet, it’s free.

Beneficial Links for Non-Muslims
muslim-answers.org
islam-guide.com/
al-sunnah.com/onlyforyou.htm
convertstoislam.org/
muslim-answers.org/am-toc.htm#BIBLE

Personally, I don’t hate Islam. Do I have some theological disagreements? Yes, but that is not hatred.Truthfully, I have a lot of respect for the devotion that many Muslim have for their faith. I wish more Catholics, especially in America, would be more zealous for their faith.

 

[ZAKI]

We have a Old proverb here in India -
What use is it to read the Vedas to a wild buffalo

The Real Actions must be taken by countries to prevent Islam.I am not telling to kill someone.but to do the damage control.we ,in India got the Worst Shock during 26/11/2008 Bombay Attack from the Jehadis of pakistan.Such Things and the terrorism(=islam) has to be stopped ASAP.

for that,I feel -we need to follow atleast the 5 things I enlisted in one of the above posts.

26/11 Bombay Attack:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/26/11
funonthenet.in/forums/index.php?topic=116940.0
I have heard from a friend that Muslims of a City in India tried to Protect the Islamic Terrorists who has just done a Bomb attack.There are many places all over the world(Europeans or Americans may not be aware of) and Especially India ,where Muslims come together and attack.Should we keep quiet?It is unlike in Europe that we in India faces Islam.This Cult Destroyed Our People ,many of them -for example the pakistanis,Bangladeshis were once Hindus ,Afghan’s Kandahar was Gandhar from the Epic Mahabharatha.This Cult Destroyed and Arabized the South Asia in Special.Taleban is Accepted as true people who enforces sharia by Saudi arabia and Pakistan.Simply Keeping Peace talks is not frutiful in such Situations.Hence the Old Proverb:
What use is it to read the Vedas(Bible) to a wild buffalo (who is coming to attack)

India? Is that the place where muslims are always brutally attacked by hindus?

wasalam