WHY do you [if you do?] think the RCC is not the One true Church founded by Christ?

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As to the original question, one thing that makes it tough is all the evidence that God is at work in many denominations making people holy and performing miracles. It seems like perhaps the universal church is trans-denominational.
True, but there are miracles and apparent transformation of hearts in Mormonism, and they seem to be universally accepted as non-Christian by both Protestantism and Catholicism.

So we have to ask the questions, does truth matter? Does doctrine matter? Does authority matter? Is it OK to be a Church unto ourselves? Would be nice if God dropped a sign from the sky answering these questions. But since he does not, it requires a lot of homework on our part.
 
So we have to ask the questions, does truth matter? Does doctrine matter? Does authority matter? Is it OK to be a Church unto ourselves?** Would be nice if God dropped a sign from the sky answering these questions.** But since he does not, it requires a lot of homework on our part.
The fellow in Rome might be a good start.
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True, but there are miracles and apparent transformation of hearts in Mormonism, and they seem to be universally accepted as non-Christian by both Protestantism and Catholicism.
What miracles would those be?
 
True, but there are miracles and apparent transformation of hearts in Mormonism, and they seem to be universally accepted as non-Christian by both Protestantism and Catholicism.

So we have to ask the questions, does truth matter? Does doctrine matter? Does authority matter? Is it OK to be a Church unto ourselves? Would be nice if God dropped a sign from the sky answering these questions. But since he does not, it requires a lot of homework on our part.
Doesn’t the whole spectrum from Catholic to Protestant have the same core doctrine? Do we need more than what the Apostles Creed proclaims to see the unity? It is not ok to be a church unto ourselves (isn’t that our problem now)? We are all a part of Jesus’ church whose mission is to make disciples. And they will know we are Christians by our love for each other.
 
What miracles would those be?
Ask any Mormon they will provide personal testimonies/examples.
Doesn’t the whole spectrum from Catholic to Protestant have the same core doctrine? Do we need more than what the Apostles Creed proclaims to see the unity? It is not ok to be a church unto ourselves (isn’t that our problem now)? We are all a part of Jesus’ church whose mission is to make disciples. And they will know we are Christians by our love for each other.
You are my bother in Christ as far as I am concerned. 😉 There are significant differences though.

The Eucharist as a example. Either it is the greatest idolatry in the history of mankind or it is the greatest miracle ever and a core Christian practice that all of Christendom should be a part of.

You mentioned the apostles creed. Do you believe in the Catholic communion of Saints that it mentions?

And i have accidentally stepped foot in these gay 'churches". Very loving environment in there - no kidding. Are openly gay folks actually Christians in good standing with God? Will I know them by their love for me that they are Christians?
 
And i have accidentally stepped foot in these gay 'churches". Very loving environment in there - no kidding. Are openly gay folks actually Christians in good standing with God? Will I know them by their love for me that they are Christians?
What exactly is a ‘gay church’?
 
And i have accidentally stepped foot in these gay 'churches". Very loving environment in there - no kidding. Are openly gay folks actually Christians in good standing with God? Will I know them by their love for me that they are Christians?
Catholics, as you should know by now, do not make such judgements as who is and who is not a Christian. To do so does more damage to ourselves than the person we are judging.
 
Catholics, as you should know by now, do not make such judgements as who is and who is not a Christian. To do so does more damage to ourselves than the person we are judging.
Actually, the Catholic Church does make “a judgment” of who is Christian. Those Baptized validly are Christian (or believe the Gospel and seek/desire Baptism). It becomes a matter of whether or not they deny the faith that they are received into, through mortal sin, that determines their Final Justification. The Church does not know this, in the strict sense. Jesus alone is able to judge the soul.
 
If Christianity is the true religion, then I suppose any body that professes to be Christian is a “true” church. But the Judaizers in Paul’s day thought they were the true Christians and Paul wasn’t. Which were the “true” Christians?

Perhaps the question should be, is there such a thing as a body, or church that is officially sanctioned by God to interpret the bible, send out missionaries, and define dogma? (The Mormons and Watchtower Society claim to be just that.) This would be the “true” church.
 
Actually, the Catholic Church does make “a judgment” of who is Christian. Those Baptized validly are Christian (or believe the Gospel and seek/desire Baptism). It becomes a matter of whether or not they deny the faith that they are received into, through mortal sin, that determines their Final Justification. The Church does not know this, in the strict sense. Jesus alone is able to judge the soul.
I never said the Church, I said Catholics. As in individual Catholics.
 
I never said the Church, I said Catholics. As in individual Catholics.
So Catholic individuals never judge others? Yeah right…:rolleyes:

Catholics should accept all who believe in the Gospel and sincerely seek to be Baptized in the Trinity, as Christians. Their perseverance in following Jesus from that point should seek to love God and neighbor, obeying His commands.

Their personal conviction of the fulness of Communion, has become muddied by centuries of divisions and sins of Catholics and heretics alike. 😊
 
Great answer that should put that worn out statement to rest. You mentioned about three points, I am interested in knowing what the other two are?
I was quoting another poster who had three points. I only responded to the one. Notice, "…these times of ignorance God overlooked. "
 


You mentioned the apostles creed. Do you believe in the Catholic communion of Saints that it mentions?

Hi LA

We have conversed a lot in the past. I have brought this up many times, you know all Reformation/Mainstream Protestant Churches do confess the Nicene Creed (You know this by now). I do it every Sunday as I have stated.

In that sense, see what a Saint is in this context of it. No absolute proof whatsoever relates it to the Saints as a Catholic would define it. At least not from the Bible or early Church writings.

Regards
 
Hi LA

We have conversed a lot in the past. I have brought this up many times, you know all Reformation/Mainstream Protestant Churches do confess the Nicene Creed (You know this by now). I do it every Sunday as I have stated.

In that sense, see what a Saint is in this context of it. No absolute proof whatsoever relates it to the Saints as a Catholic would define it. At least not from the Bible or early Church writings.

Regards
How does the Bible and early Church define a Saint? And I’m not saying that I don’t doubt the usage of the term developed over time. But I’m not sure that Scripture is specific…
 
Hi LA

We have conversed a lot in the past. I have brought this up many times, you know all Reformation/Mainstream Protestant Churches do confess the Nicene Creed (You know this by now). I do it every Sunday as I have stated.

In that sense, see what a Saint is in this context of it. No absolute proof whatsoever relates it to the Saints as a Catholic would define it. At least not from the Bible or early Church writings.

Regards
Hi friend.

Why don’t i start by asking you what is your understanding of the communion of Saints?

thanks
 
I never said the Church, I said Catholics. As in individual Catholics.
We all sin and need God’s mercy. So now that that this out of the way, let me just say the judge not lest you be judged passage is something that is often entirely misunderstood. You MUST judge in order to make a rational and moral judgment. What we are not to do is impute guilt, which I have not done, nor would I.

The Lord said there will be wolves in sheep’s clothing. Matt 7:15…so just because someone is Mr. Nice guy doesn’t seal the deal for me personally. What they hold to is important.
 
No, I don’t,
Don’t feel bad. I’ve asked that question many times over 13 years here, and so far no one has given me an answer … yet. But I’m waiting 😉
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just as you don’t have a reference for “Catholic Church” used as a proper name rather than an adjective.
On the contrary #34
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“Orthodox” and “catholic” were both adjectives in the first millenium.
There is no mistake as to the Church that is talked about from the first century, by name, that has preeminent authority over all, and the references I gave were all properly referenced

Consider this,

Bishop John , says the following
 
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