Why do you refute a charge that you are "homophobe?"

[Missa_Solemnis]

But on another thread, it is stated that masturbation is a mortal sin…hmm…go figure…

It is better to be a chaste homosexual than a hetrosexual in the state of mortal sin (due to masturbation)

Are you saying that having same sex attraction is as bad as masturbation?

because if you are you are gravely mistaken…

 

[geraldffff]

We were wrong about Galileo and Copernicus.

We were wrong about orientation, we could as well be wrong about the act as well:

I suggest the following article:

soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian

This guy is a gay pastor with a masters in theology secondary degrees in Hebrew and Greek languages.

Read with the same open mind that you would ask of Protestants when directing them toward the Catechism.

Yes, do read www.soulforce, if you have not. There you will find proof of the homosexual adjenda to deform and altimately destroy Gods wounderfull relevation of our Lord Jesus in order to remake an athiestic religion. It is a great challenge to Catholic Christians.

 

[geraldffff]

Correct me if I am wrong! Masterbation involves one person in secret and injures the intellect and devleopment of that person. It is the least injurious to the people as a whole. A homosexual act directly affects two people and is more injurious to the surrounding community that masturbation. Adultery effect the two actors plus spouses and children ect. That makes it the most damaging act.

 

[Steadfast_love]

I turn the other cheek.

Since they’re not actually slapping me, I don’t actually turn my face to be more slap-able, but I do take efforts to make myself more insult-able, by remaining silent or volunteering other un-politicaly correct tenants.

The soulforce bus tour from a few summers ago failed because those darn Christians were too darn “love thy neighbor” to make the headlines.

 

[Seeks_God]

I doubt us homosexuals or those with SSA (what ever title floats your fancy) are capapable of destroying the human race or the root cause of any problems in this world.

Clarification: I distrust people who inherently participate in activities that are naturally reserved for people who have the ability to produce children. It seems as if it is a mockery…
Also, I don’t, by any means think that homosexuality is the root of the world’s problems. I think ALL sin is the root of the world’s problems.

 

[geraldffff]

I doubt us homosexuals or those with SSA (what ever title floats your fancy) are capapable of destroying the human race or the root cause of any problems in this world.

Im too lazy to dig out the refference but one of the letters of Paul says Christians should not even talk about this nasty bussiness. Country Westren songs glorifying adultery which is a more damaging sinfull act than that of homosexualy but there is no organized group of these people shouting, we are loud and proud of what we do in privateso we will do it in public and force you to observe it . (homosexual pride parades) Political homosexuals are destroying this country and the constitution by demanding special laws to protect their pererse ways. They are demanding access to the minds of all the nations children so they can increase their numbers in order to increase their political power. The homosexual demand to claim they are married is a very concrete example of this effort to undermine the whole society. Homosexuals of good intent should resist these political homosexuals. Talk to your closest confidants and councler but dot make your mutual masturbation a public thing, If and masturbate I am sinning but I will not talk about it in a chat room I swhould meet with a preist privately not demand God revoke his commandments. Am I a homophobe for saying these things.

 

[BryPGuy89]

Clarification: I distrust people who inherently participate in activities that are naturally reserved for people who have the ability to produce children. It seems as if it is a mockery…
Also, I don’t, by any means think that homosexuality is the root of the world’s problems. I think ALL sin is the root of the world’s problems.

Not all do have sexual relations, or defy natural law or anything of that nature, no mockery at all. You clump too many people under one title.

 

[BryPGuy89]

Im too lazy to dig out the refference but one of the letters of Paul says Christians should not even talk about this nasty bussiness. Country Westren songs glorifying adultery which is a more damaging sinfull act than that of homosexualy but there is no organized group of these people shouting, we are loud and proud of what we do in privateso we will do it in public and force you to observe it . (homosexual pride parades) Political homosexuals are destroying this country and the constitution by demanding special laws to protect their pererse ways. They are demanding access to the minds of all the nations children so they can increase their numbers in order to increase their political power. The homosexual demand to claim they are married is a very concrete example of this effort to undermine the whole society. Homosexuals of good intent should resist these political homosexuals. Talk to your closest confidants and councler but dot make your mutual masturbation a public thing, If and masturbate I am sinning but I will not talk about it in a chat room I swhould meet with a preist privately not demand God revoke his commandments. Am I a homophobe for saying these things.

You too, put all homosexuals under that proud, flamboyant and sexually active, when not all are. As for access to the children that is rediculous, having homosexual parents isn’t going to magically increase their numbers. That might make people more excepting to the lifestyle, but not increase numbers. From what you have typed I wouldn’t say you are a homophobe, but you do seem to have some strong feelings about the entirety of a group that is deiverse and not all perverse.

 

[Seeks_God]

Not all do have sexual relations, or defy natural law or anything of that nature, no mockery at all. You clump too many people under one title.

That would be based on the assumption that homosexuality is genetic, but I really question that claim. Sexuality, in many cases, is a learned activity as well; why do you think we, as society control the access of children to “adult” material? I would suggest that it has a lot to do with the influential nature of sexuality.

Now, I certainly agree that when no sexaul activity occurs, then there is certainly no question that a sin did not occur. But here is a natural assumption about “shacking-up”, so to speak: There is a public statement that morality is interpretive…

SG

 

[Seeks_God]

You too, put all homosexuals under that proud, flamboyant and sexually active, when not all are. As for access to the children that is rediculous, having homosexual parents isn’t going to magically increase their numbers. That might make people more excepting to the lifestyle, but not increase numbers. From what you have typed I wouldn’t say you are a homophobe, but you do seem to have some strong feelings about the entirety of a group that is deiverse and not all perverse.

I don’t understand your claim…either we shouldn’t lump all homosexuals into a category, or we should when we accept the “lifestyle”. See, that’s the problem, geraldffff was making: that the “lifestyle” homosexuals are the most outspoken and forceful group…i.e. it’s not “us” placing homosexuals into a group, rather it’s the homosexuals placing themselves into a group

SG

 

[BryPGuy89]

That would be based on the assumption that homosexuality is genetic, but I really question that claim. Sexuality, in many cases, is a learned activity as well; why do you think we, as society control the access of children to “adult” material? I would suggest that it has a lot to do with the influential nature of sexuality.

Now, I certainly agree that when no sexaul activity occurs, then there is certainly no question that a sin did not occur. But here is a natural assumption about “shacking-up”, so to speak: There is a public statement that morality is interpretive…

SG

I’m not assuming anything about homosexuality being genetic at all. I just stay away from that, either science will tell us or not, no point talking about it. I was saying is that not all homosexuals live the whole sinful life and that there are some very good wholesome people who live celibately and everything. Just because one is homosexual doesn’t mean that they participate in the lifestyle or approve of it at all. It just seems you clumped all persons who are homosexual into that entire gay pride and sexually active steriotype. That was all. Sorry for any mix up of what I said, i’m not very skilled at expressing myself. I always forget they don’t know what I’m thinking,

 

[BryPGuy89]

I don’t understand your claim…either we shouldn’t lump all homosexuals into a category, or we should when we accept the “lifestyle”. See, that’s the problem, geraldffff was making: that the “lifestyle” homosexuals are the most outspoken and forceful group…i.e. it’s not “us” placing homosexuals into a group, rather it’s the homosexuals placing themselves into a group

SG

Being a homosexual is just like an ethnicity or race (it’s not physical, but it is not a choice or anything), it is a group on it’s own with completely different groups with different ideas and beleifs.

 

[JoeyWarren]

I’m not assuming anything about homosexuality being genetic at all. I just stay away from that, either science will tell us or not, no point talking about it.

What happens if science can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is genetic? Will our RCC accept that or will the RCC contend that it is a disease or a disorder?

 

[BryPGuy89]

What happens if science can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is genetic? Will our RCC accept that or will the RCC contend that it is a disease or a disorder?

no, obviously it wouldn’t accept homosexuality and it is already viewd as a disease/disorder and always will. That gets off topic though.

 

[JoeyWarren]

(Originally by Seeks God)—
Sexuality, in many cases, is a learned activity as well; why do you think we, as society control the access of children to “adult” material?

So you believe all homosexuals are a result of seeing homosexual activity growing up?

HOGWASH!

Some homosexuals have come from families that are religiously devout. We had a pair teenagers in our own church that become homosexuals and can tell you they sure did not learn it from anyone. The parents are in a state of complete humiliation over the problem.

And it also was not a result of any inadequate CCD or Lifeteen structure.

 

[JoeyWarren]

no, obviously it wouldn’t accept homosexuality and it is already viewd as a disease/disorder and always will. That gets off topic though.

So that would bring us right back to another Galileo like scenario or a “The world is flat” scenario?

 

[Seeks_God]

I’m not assuming anything about homosexuality being genetic at all. I just stay away from that, either science will tell us or not, no point talking about it. I was saying is that not all homosexuals live the whole sinful life and that there are some very good wholesome people who live celibately and everything. Just because one is homosexual doesn’t mean that they participate in the lifestyle or approve of it at all. It just seems you clumped all persons who are homosexual into that entire gay pride and sexually active steriotype. That was all. Sorry for any mix up of what I said, i’m not very skilled at expressing myself. I always forget they don’t know what I’m thinking,

No hard feelings here…I think expression through writing is somewhat incomplete because it lacks non-verbal communication.

 

[Seeks_God]

Being a homosexual is just like an ethnicity or race (it’s not physical, but it is not a choice or anything), it is a group on it’s own with completely different groups with different ideas and beleifs.

Oh, I understand the mainstream thinking on the issue, but I have mixed emotions on if one chooses it or not. I think there are people who believe certain things to such a strong conviction that it can become truth to them…

Like I mentioned before, I certainly don’t condemn the individual, it’s action that is right or wrong…

SG

 

[Seeks_God]

So you believe all homosexuals are a result of seeing homosexual activity growing up?

HOGWASH!

Some homosexuals have come from families that are religiously devout. We had a pair teenagers in our own church that become homosexuals and can tell you they sure did not learn it from anyone. The parents are in a state of complete humiliation over the problem.

And it also was not a result of any inadequate CCD or Lifeteen structure.

You’re taking it out of context…
I wasn’t making the argument that homosexual acts are learned at home, at church or any particular place. But I’ll contend that some of the sinful behavior I had learned growing up with respect to sex (or lack, thereof) was knowledge gained from my peers, locker rooms, etc., etc. Ideas and actions are developed from mankind on may occasions, even if it’s self-taught. I’m just not very accepting of the it’s “genetic, we can’t help it” theory generated first among the pro-gay movement…

How do we learn to kiss? How do we learn affection? Where do we learn to hold hands? There are relatively innocent displays of affection that are learned. Take for example the many cases of individuals that are detached from emotion because of the harsh treatments of their primary caretakes early in life, do you think it is possible that a lack of affection can create a person that is void of emotion? Can’t that same argument be made for overaffection, as well? Then placing it in the context of that behavior is overtly displayed in public by same sex people?

Then again, why do we keep pornography away from children? Why do we not want our kids watching overly graphic displays of affection on TV? In public? Why do we disourage our kids from getting to close to someone physically when they are young?

It’s because of these reasons that I think sexuality is learned…

SG

 

[blessedtoo]

Being a homosexual is just like an ethnicity or race (it’s not physical, but it is not a choice or anything), it is a group on it’s own with completely different groups with different ideas and beleifs.

I think there are many members of the African American community who would strongly disagree with this comparison.

“A man born black or any other ethnic group had no choice,” said Robert J. Anderson Jr., pastor of Colonial Baptist Church in Randallstown, Md., and president of the African-American Fellowship. “That’s just the way he was born. But when you look into the gay community, I am personally convinced it is a choice that they make.”

But even if homosexuality is genetic, Anderson said, it still “does not justify the behavior.”

“Someone may have some genetic propensity for drinking,” he said. “We have a depraved human nature, and it needs to be controlled. They have tried to come in the back door and try to make a moral equivalency between civil rights and gay rights, and you can’t do it. One is wrong and the other is right.”

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