For someone who works so hard you sure find a lot of time to post.As someone who works long hard hours to earn healthcare for myself and my family, I realy don’t see people who don’t work having to “grovel” as that big of a deal. If they don’t want to go through means testing or “groveling”, they can always get a job or marry someone who has a job.
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No but *saving *somebody’s life could well be.I have to disagree with the assertion that improving someones life is sufficient rationale to take something from someone else.
There will always be people who end up in those jobs, by choice or not. I guess according to you they shouldn’t expect any chemo if the worst happens…There are jobs that do not provide a sustaining level of income. These jobs offer other bennefits such as entertainment, sense of accomplishment, training, social opportunities. Many people are satisfied with those jobs, those who are not need to work their way into the better paying jobs.
It’s my time to do with as I please and I am not asking others to subsidize my standard of living.For someone who works so hard you sure find a lot of time to post.
so saving a life justifies taking part of another’s life?No but *saving *somebody’s life could well be.
People end up in those jobs because they don’t make the effort to get into a better job. If I got a cake job such as a video game tester, I wouldn’t expect anyone else to subsidize my living expenses.There will always be people who end up in those jobs, by choice or not. I guess according to you they shouldn’t expect any chemo if the worst happens…
you seem to have plenty of it, considering those long hours.It’s my time to do with as I please and I am not asking others to subsidize my standard of living.
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you cannot take part of anothers life, unless you’re somehow shortening their life.so saving a life justifies taking part of another’s life?
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Ahh it’s convenient for you to use “video game tester” as an example instead of ,say, cleaner or van driver, jobs that are actually *needed *regardless of how little they pay.People end up in those jobs because they don’t make the effort to get into a better job. If I got a cake job such as a video game tester, I wouldn’t expect anyone else to subsidize my living expenses.
I earned every second of that time.you seem to have plenty of it, considering those long hours.
Yes you can through slavery.you cannot take part of anothers life, unless you’re somehow shortening their life.
You can clean your own clothes and drive your own van. I do not need to pay people to do those things.Ahh it’s convenient for you to use “video game tester” as an example instead of ,say, cleaner or van driver, jobs that are actually *needed *regardless of how little they pay.
As in van driver for the elderly at rest homes and office cleaner. I can’t believe I have to explain that to an adult.I earned every second of that time.
Yes you can through slavery.
You can clean your own clothes and drive your own van. I do not need to pay people to do those things.
Your changing the story.As in van driver for the elderly at rest homes and office cleaner. I can’t believe I have to explain that to an adult.
People will always WANT those jobs so they can pay low wages and still find plenty of people willing to do them.no he’s not, that’s what I meant. They perform taks neccessary for the delivery of goods and services, and are paid little. Some will always end up in those jobs.
No, things that are NEEDED!!! Somene has to do them!!! If you reach 95 it’s highly unlikely you will be drving your self around. If I ever acted that dense with my dad, he’d belt me a good one!Your changing the story.
He is not being punished. IMO. He is being taken advantage of by the recipient class. As so many of us are. Virtue is it’s own reward. A cliche yes, but also true. He did the right thing when many others in his position did not. The fact that others do the wrong thing is no excuse for us to do it also. If this nation has any hope, men like your friend will be the vanguard of progress. ( Not progressivism) He also has the benefit of being able to look in the mirror with repulsion.The punnishment is that he is now being forced to pay taxes to fund the free loaders who did not take the available jobs.
well said.Interesting thing about the labor market: it is governed by supply and demand, like other markets. The more that people work hard and work up towards better jobs, proving themselves in their jobs or gaining skills that are in high demand, the more competition there is for higher paying jobs. Competition will actually drive down the value of those jobs, forcing everyone to better themselves (to compete). As the pool of labor in the lower-paying jobs diminishes, the even lower-paying jobs must pay more to attract people to work (supply diminishes relative to demand). As the pool of labor increases for the higher-paying jobs, it is true that the compensation will diminish for those same jobs, but it is also true that competition will drive people to greater productivity as people attempt to better themselves. Greater productivity increases wealth, creating more wealth at the top.
In this way, hard work and advancement pulls everyone up, increasing real wealth overall and at each level. Conversely, sloth drags everyone down. That’s part of the reason that it’s a sin. The institutionalized encouragement of sloth is also a sin, and also drags everyone down, so we must ward against it.
Applied to our health care problem, there is too much demand relative to supply, thus prices increase. The answer is not to try to artificially drive down prices (gov’t controls like paying doctors less), nor to increase demand (promising free or subsidized health care to more people). Both will serve to diminish availability and ultimately increase prices.
Instead, if it were more attractive to enter the health care field, supply would increase, constraining price. More people would enter higher-paying professions, as well, pulling everyone up.
Nothing requires those jobs to be low paying. They are just easy jobs that lots of people can take with out having to put in much effort. and with subsidized health care, education, housing, etc. those people have no reason to seek a better job.Low paying jobs are required for the production and delivery of essential goods and services. eg food production, raw materials, not merely entertainment area of the economy (the bs “video game tester” exampe this poster used)
Aside from the semantic angles, he is worse off for choosing to do the right thing and the way the government system is set up people in this possition are inherantly worse off for making the right decision.He is not being punished. IMO. He is being taken advantage of by the recipient class. As so many of us are. Virtue is it’s own reward. A cliche yes, but also true. He did the right thing when many others in his position did not. The fact that others do the wrong thing is no excuse for us to do it also. If this nation has any hope, men like your friend will be the vanguard of progress. ( Not progressivism) He also has the benefit of being able to look in the mirror with repulsion.
So your explanation is an excess of lazy workers wanting easy jobs. It would have nothing to do with the low bargaining power inherent for those living from pay cheque to pay cheque, or the abuse the are commonly subjected to.Nothing requires those jobs to be low paying. They are just easy jobs that lots of people can take with out having to put in much effort. and with subsidized health care, education, housing, etc. those people have no reason to seek a better job.
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Please define abuse.So your explanation is an excess of lazy workers wanting easy jobs. It would have nothing to do with the low bargaining power inherent for those living from pay cheque to pay cheque, or the abuse the are commonly subjected to.
Generally treated like rubbish, humiliated etc. The intent is to destroy confidence so they won’t bargain for better conditions or feel they’re worth anything more elsewhere. People with no savings, who’s primary concern is meeting their next rent payment, tend to choose the security of current employment.Please define abuse.
Unhappy workers are unproductive. The only time I have seen management try to make employees feel unvalued is when the workers are well below average and the boss is trying to get them to leave.Generally treated like rubbish, humiliated etc. The intent is to destroy confidence so they won’t bargain for better conditions or feel they’re worth anything more elsewhere. People with no savings, who’s primary concern is meeting their next rent payment, tend to choose the security of current employment.
Every human being deserves to have their basic needs met - period! Every Country should have systems in place to ensure that it’s citizens are having their basic needs met. It is just that simple.Because in our country, the poor have equal right to the necessaties…things that will improve their lives and our country. Education is one way we ensure this as a nation and now we are adding access to health care. Both services are not being offered by our country, and both (in my voting, yet humble opinion) good and right.