Why does christianity consider Jesus(pbuh) as God?

[cocot]

secondboy:

If i understood truely you want to say God is made up three parts?
don’t you?
if so (God is made up three parts)then God need thess three parts.
this god needs something for example son and holyspirit to be completed.
But God is free from want.God needs nothing and noone.

Let me ask you a question. How many muslim names are there for god? allah the merciful, allah the compassionate… a 100?
So, does god “need these 100 parts”? like your say? Isn’t he the discription of those 100 names but still one?

 

[KBarn]

SecondBoy,

There are a lot of good-hearted people in these forums, but sometimes we are not capable of articulating the faith well. The holy Trinity cannot be proven from reason. From our perspective, does God need three persons to be fully God? That’s tough to answer because each person of the Trinity is fully God. But there are not three gods but only one God. We cannot prove the trinity by appealing to the whole mind, body, spirit trichotomy. (I don’t even hold to that trichotomy.) We cannot prove the Trinity by appealing to arithmetic (1x1x1=1). The Trinity is what we have to accept if we accpt Scripture. Does that mean the Trinity is unreasonable? No.

From the Athanasian Creed (3rd Century)

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the Catholic Faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity. Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is all One, the Glory Equal, the Majesty Co-Eternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father Uncreate, the Son Uncreate, and the Holy Ghost Uncreate. The Father Incomprehensible, the Son Incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost Incomprehensible. The Father Eternal, the Son Eternal, and the Holy Ghost Etneral and yet they are not Three Eternals but One Eternal. As also there are not Three Uncreated, nor Three Incomprehensibles, but One Uncreated, and One Uncomprehensible. So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not Three Almighties but One Almighty.

So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not Three Gods, but One God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not Three Lords but One Lord. For, like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord, so are we forbidden by the Catholic Religion to say, there be Three Gods or Three Lords. The Father is made of none, neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father, and of the Son neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.

So there is One Father, not Three Fathers; one Son, not Three Sons; One Holy Ghost, not Three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal. So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity is Trinity, and the Trinity is Unity is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity.

Why do we believe? Because it has been revealed. And many greater minds than mine have attempted to articulate the belief in the Trinity.

If you care to really try to get inside of the theology of the Trinity (or the Incarnation), feel free to send me a private message, and I would be happy to do what I can to help.

Kevin

 

[Contarini]

secondboy:

Why does christianity consider Jesus(pbuh) as God?
if Jesus was (is) a human like us?

Because we believe that in Jesus God became human and united us to God. That is the main reason to be a Christian rather than a Muslim or a Jew. We can have intimate union with God–not simply a relationship of reverent obedience, though that enters into it as well of course.

are christians monotheist while they believe in three Gods?

We don’t believe in three gods. We believe in one God in three persons. I frankly don’t care if this makes us “monotheists” by your definition or not. My faith is not in “monotheism” but in the one living God who is Father, Son, and Spirit, and who revealed Himself fully in the man Jesus Christ.

is there more than one God for christians?

No. But you are welcome to say that from your perspective we worship three gods. I can understand why you would think that.

Consider this, however. We both believe (I think) that God is beyond our understanding. God is greater than we can possibly imagine. The Christian belief in the Trinity seems illogical if you have a limited conception of God. But if God really is beyond our understanding, then it makes sense that we could only describe him through paradoxical statements like “one God, three persons.” I’m not saying that this proves the Trinity, only that it should make the Trinity seem less unbelievable. Who are we to say “that isn’t a logical description of God”?How could we possibly have a logical description of God anyway?

what does Jesus do that he is God or like God?

He saves us.
Only God can save.
Jesus saves.
Therefore, Jesus is God.

We believe that Jesus shows His divinity in many other ways as well–the creation of the universe, for instance. But it is in His saving work that His divinity is most evidently shown in relationship to human beings.

The Christian faith offers a God who loves us so much that He becomes one of us, a God who does not stand on His dignity but embraces us in mercy, a God who destroys the powers of evil by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. All the other issues between Christianity and Islam are idle games in comparison to this. Christians worship an Incarnate God. That is our faith’s reason for being.

Yours truly,

Edwin

 

[inJESUS]

someone called Pleaseanswer is asking questions under the thread Islam…i have to go now…if you like, answer his questions.Nighty and God bless all.

 

[secondboy]

cocot wrote:

Let me ask you a question. How many muslim names are there for god? allah the merciful, allah the compassionate… a 100?
So, does god “need these 100 parts”? like your say? Isn’t he the discription of those 100 names but still one?

yes.God is merciful,compassionate,…these are adjectives of God not parts.for example you are brave you are generous, and you are …these aren’t your parts these are your adjectives(qualities)
if you have 200 good adjectives then you have 200 parts?
for God is a few names(merciful,compassionate,meek,…)but God is one and has different adjectives.

 

[secondboy]

i see some christians saying this example : your mather is one woman but she is your father’s wife ,she is your aunt’s sister and she is your mother but she is one woman
not three.this shows one person with three roles.
but christians say(claim) opposite of this: they say" three persons by one role(divinity) not one person with three(or several) roles.

 

[marlo]

We say Jesus is God, because he as God revealed himself to us.
He said “I am the Life”, He raised the dead and he forgive sins

He even gave powers to his apostles, and the apostle can even raised the dead through him.( which no other can do)

He showed the way for the forgiveness of sin

finally, the Jewish prophecy about “God became man” or messiah happened in him. Even his sacrifice “death on the cross” in which we have a chance of having eternal life.

This is God that saves.

secondboy:

Why does christianity consider Jesus(pbuh) as God?
if Jesus was (is) a human like us?
are christians monotheist while they believe in three Gods?
is there more than one God for christians?
what does Jesus do that he is God or like God?

 

[Marilena]

secondboy:

Why does christianity consider Jesus(pbuh) as God?
if Jesus was (is) a human like us?
are christians monotheist while they believe in three Gods?
is there more than one God for christians?
what does Jesus do that he is God or like God?

Pbuh? :ehh: Jesus Himself states He is God. Jesus is True God, and True Man. There is only One Lord, and One God, Jesus Christ.
Jesus created all things. For His will, they were, and have been created. Apoc. 4:11 ( DRV )

 

[anna1978]

SAHmommy:

The Trinity is a hard thing to understand. One way it was explained to me was in terms of relationships. Your mother is, at the same time, your mother, a wife to your father, and a sister to her siblings. All at one time, she is Mother, Wife and Sister, but is she three beings?

SAHmommy

The problem is, if muslims accept the Trinity-concept, their religion doesn’t have a leg to stand on…As I saw a few years ago in my old parish where we had several young muslims converting to our faith, because it suddenly ‘clicked’ that YES, the Trinity WAS a valid concept… Ofcourse, we’re never going to convince any of these guys/muslimas here…they’re just here to get our blood-pressure up

Anna x

 

[Contarini]

secondboy:

i see some christians saying this example : your mather is one woman but she is your father’s wife ,she is your aunt’s sister and she is your mother but she is one woman
not three.this shows one person with three roles.
but christians say(claim) opposite of this: they say" three persons by one role(divinity) not one person with three(or several) roles.

Actually, orthodox Christianity doesn’t say either of these things. “Divinity” is not a “role,” it’s a nature. But you are right–“Father, Son, and Spirit” are not just roles. There are Christians who teach this, but the rest of us think that they are seriously wrong.

Edwin

 

[LatinCat]

secondboy:

a wise guy dosn’t accept that 3=1.does he?

And we don’t believe 3=1. According to the law of non-contradiction, something cannot be A and not A at the same time and in the same relationship. So we cannot say God is one God and three Gods. Neither can we say that God is one person and three person. This would make God one and three at the same time and in the same relationship which would be a contradiction. However, we must take a look at the second clause of the law of non-contradictions. According to the second clause, something CAN be A and not A if it is in a different relationship or with regard to a different matter. An example of this would be my father. He is both father and son, A and not A. But his fatherhood and sonship are in relation to different people. He is a son of his father and a father of myself and my brothers and sisters. Thus the law of non-contradiction is not violated. There is a similar issue with regaurd to the trinity. We never say God is one and three Gods, or one and three people. However, we do say, with regard to or in relationshiop to divinity and being, He is one. With regard to persons, he is three. So unity and trinity are with regard to or are in relationship to different aspects of God. Thus, we do not violate the law of noncontradiction when we profess faith in the Triune God.

 

[LatinCat]

secondboy:

Why does christianity consider Jesus(pbuh) as God?
if Jesus was (is) a human like us?
QUOTE]
According to Christian theology, the person Christ has two natures, one human and the other divine. The divine nature is the one divine nature possed by God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit (for a discussion of the Trinity, see my previous post). Thus Christ is properly called God. Now, the second person of the most Holy Trinity, God the Son (i.e. Jesus) assumed a human nature and entered into time and space. This did not dimish or alter his divine nature because his divinity is immutable, but the two nature remain united in the one person of Jesus without mixing or comingling. This is called the hypostatic union.

 

[inJESUS]

is there any link for him to read? bits and pieces will make him confused the more…he needs a coherent article to grasp it i think.

 

[George_Waters]

Actually secondboy has posted several such questions, but never bothers to respond to questions addressed to him or to discuss the topic he (?) began. I wouldn’t worry about posting a link as he has made it plainly obvious he is not interested in a response that does not fit his pre-conceived notions.

Don’t waste your time Brothers and Sisters.

 

[cocot]

In answer to his original question, he just needs to re-read post #17 by Maranatha.

 

[KnightErrantJR]

God the Father is the creator of everything, he is in all things and in all times, and he is also beyond all things and all times, since he is God.

When Jesus was incarnate, God was specifically a human being, but he was still God. God the Father was still beyond all things and in all things and in all times. If God isn’t God at any time, then nothing God has done is true, so nothing he created can be true. So he has to still be beyond and in all things and all times, while Jesus was human.

Now, since Jesus is human, but he is also God, Jesus also must be in all things and at all times and beyond all things and all times. But specifically, he WAS in the time that he spent on earth, during his ministry, crucifixtion, and resurrection.

The Holy Spirit is that connection between the Divine Father and His Son, that the connection that that love creates between that part of us that is eternal spiritual component. Again, the Holy Spirit must exist in all places at all times because it is the connection, the person between Jesus and the Father, and thus must be present where the other two exist.

In a way, this explains exactly what is meant when we are told that we are created in the image of God. We have a physical form, like Christ has a physical form, and that physical form we can experience in the Eucharist. We have a spiritual form that is connected to the Holy Spirit, that can accept the Holy Spirit and be moved by it. And we have a core existance, a core concept, such as God the Father has.

Its not easy to comprehend all of this, though I find it ironic when those that critisize our religion try to tell us that we are simpletons. To me this is pretty heavy stuff, far more challenging to discuss and comprehend than other teachings, and definately requireing grace from God to fully accept. But anyone that thinks that the “real world” doesn’t work the same way that religion does, read up on quantum particles and how well we explain their movement and where exactly they are in position to an observer at any given time. The universe works just like religion because it all has the same designer.

 

[DylanO]

Why does christianity consider Jesus(pbuh) as God?
if Jesus was (is) a human like us?
are christians monotheist while they believe in three Gods?
is there more than one God for christians?
what does Jesus do that he is God or like God?

In the Qur’an where ‘Allah’ speaks, he says “We”, “Us”, Our" over 100 times!

Considering the complete absence of external and internal evidence that should effectively verify the revelatory character of the Qur’an, I find it very hard, if not impossible, to accept the Qur’an as a Message sent by God. This is particularly so, because the Qur’an contradicts earlier revelation. And, not just a few contradictions. There are numerous contradictions between the Qur’an and the Jewish & Christian bibles. For instance:

Muhammad never understood the Trinity (Father / Son / Holy Spirit):
Sura 116, 4:171, 5:73-75, Muhammad mistakenly thought the Christian Trinity was 3 gods: the Father, the Mother (Mary), and the Son (Jesus). This is based on Muhammad’s own misunderstanding seen in Sura 5:119. Also, in the last of all Suras we read: O Jesus, Son of Mary, hast thou said unto mankind 'Take me and my mother as two Gods beside God? ’ He shall say: ‘Glory be unto Thee! it is not for me to say that which I know to be not the truth.’ There is no way for Muslims today to escape the fact that the Koran indeed contains this major theological blunder. The Bible, shows that there is a Trinity (Matthew 28:19, 1 John 5:7).

 

[mark_a]

I think the pope was correct in asking what Islam brings that is new.

How is correctly interpreted Islam better than correctly interpreted Judaism or Christianity?

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

Actually, orthodox Christianity doesn’t say either of these things. “Divinity” is not a “role,” it’s a nature. But you are right–“Father, Son, and Spirit” are not just roles. There are Christians who teach this, but the rest of us think that they are seriously wrong.

Edwin

Modalists are heretics, not Christians.

 

[exoflare]

Why does christianity consider Jesus(pbuh) as God?

1. We take Him at his word.
2. He backed up His word with sufficient evidence.

if Jesus was (is) a human like us?

Being a human is irrelevant. I thought your question was about whether or not He was GOD?

are christians monotheist while they believe in three Gods?

IF Christians believed in three Gods, you would actually have a point.

is there more than one God for christians?

If you think you already know the answer, then why are you asking?

what does Jesus do that he is God or like God?

Everything God does, Jesus does. You name it.