Why does God allow evil?

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Why does God allow evil?

Here is the reasoning that makes sense to me.

God is all powerful, all knowing, and all present…

God is all free.

Being all free yet He chooses to love and do good.

In order for humankind to be like God in this respect, man must also be as close to all free as is deemed best by God.
 
I just wanted to add:

Matthew 24:3-8

While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will all this happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”

Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.

God is giving birth to the human race. We think in shorter time spans than he does. We are in the pains of birth. Actually, I don’t know if we are still considered in a birth state or not. As that was 2000 years ago.
 
I just wanted to add:

Matthew 24:3-8

While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will all this happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”

Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.

God is giving birth to the human race. We think in shorter time spans than he does. We are in the pains of birth. Actually, I don’t know if we are still considered in a birth state or not. As that was 2000 years ago.
It would be very helpful if you would define the types of evil that this question applies to.
My suggestion would be to pick/limit the discussion to one kind of evil.

What this kind of unlimited question seems to come down to is “why do innocent, pure, decent, loving, cute, little babies have to go thru such …blah…blah…blah.” As they say, “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.”
 
It would be very helpful if you would define the types of evil that this question applies to.
My suggestion would be to pick/limit the discussion to one kind of evil.

What this kind of unlimited question seems to come down to is “why do innocent, pure, decent, loving, cute, little babies have to go thru such …blah…blah…blah.” As they say, “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.”
I don’t know why there has to be pain for everyone. He doesn’t say. He just says it must be so. He says there will be wars so that includes all the evils in war. He says there will be famines and earthquakes. That includes natural evils.
 
I don’t know why there has to be pain for everyone. He doesn’t say. He just says it must be so. He says there will be wars so that includes all the evils in war. He says there will be famines and earthquakes. That includes natural evils.
The question is a broadstroke one about evil and not just earthquakes/natural evils. That is why I suggested you might want to limit the discussion to one type of evil.
 
The question is a broadstroke one about evil and not just earthquakes/natural evils. That is why I suggested you might want to limit the discussion to one type of evil.
Well, perhaps just two kinds. I think Jesus is telling us that we are in our birth or perhaps,now, infancy as humankind. In a broad stroke, that is why humankind is the way it is. We are very young. It will take time for our kind to mature but we will. That’s for human evils. As for natural evils. Who knows, but Jesus was able to walk on water. Maybe the human race will learn to master the natural world too and overcome death as he is able. It might be that it just takes a very long time in our human eyes. I don’t know.
 
Everything in the universe has a balance , you cannot have a positive without a negative ,
You can not have good without bad, it’s up to you which side of the Balance sheet you want to be on,simple really , but then life should be kept simple 🙂
 
I recently heard on a local Catholic Radio station talk show that God allows terrible evil in the world to make it easier for us to choose good. To me this sounds about as lame as another opinion I heard given in a talk by some seminarians a while back, on the same station, that said, God created Hell and made it so horrible so that we would be easier motivated to seek Heaven. These sound like very lame reasons. On the surface they sound good enough for the average pious but ignorant Catholic who listens to these “feel good” programs for inspiration. But I can’t buy them. Can someone point me to a scholarly source that I can trust for more believable answers? Thanks.
Hi Clark,
I certainly am not a "scholarly source’, probably I am a “a pious but ignorant Catholic” , but here is something to chew on.

In the intellectual battle for the minds of man, of the three modalities of non-believe - materialist, skeptic, and cynic - it is the cynic that poses the toughest challenge. It is the cynic that raises the question of the existence of evil when he asks, “Why does God allow evil?”

In any argument with the cynical materialist, believers must deal with the question: “If there is a God and God is good, why did he create a world that is so evil?” The presence of evil in the world has always been a mystery to mankind. What is needed to help counter the cynic’s argument is a practical answer that seems plausible. I, of course, do not know why God created evil, but I have arrived at an answer that seems possible and plausible to me. I am not a theologian, but I can read the dogmas and I can’t find in what follows anything that is prohibited by dogma.

To address evil we must first define it. I view evil in three modalities: personal evil (sin); social evil (injustice such as bigotry, slavery, tyranny) and natural evil (tragedy such as earthquakes, tornadoes, plagues). The question now is: why does God allow: sin, injustice, and tragedy? Here I address personal evil.

Before going further I can imagine the scrupulous jumping up and down and waving their hands in vitriolic disbelief when they read that I believe that God creates sin. No, I am not saying God created sin, I am merely presenting the question. Creation is an act of actualization of a possibility and an act is not evil until a possibility is actualized and in the case of personal evil, it is the person that actualizes the possibility (gives in to temptation) that creates the evil.

God is the realm of possibility, meaning that all things that are possible reside in the Mind of God. Evil is a possibility. But possibility is not evil. Whatever evil is possible doesn’t exist until it is actualized. For God to eliminate evil, He must first actualize it in a way that was separated from His own Being so that evil in no way was a part of Him. And as long as evil remains a possibility and not an actuality, it doesn’t exist. Consequently, the method God chose to eliminate evil was to create a scenario whereby evil could be actualized and eliminated bit by bit apart from Himself. Hence, the creation of human beings. God created us to eliminate evil.

God provided an example in the scriptures in temptation in the desert when after forty days of hunger Jesus was tempted three times and refused the temptation thus setting an example for humans to follow when tempted with a choice.

God recognizes the possibility of a sin of adultery that can only be actualized by a pair of humans. “Recognizing the possibility” is not evil; the possibility only becomes evil if the possibility is actualized when adultery takes place. If a pair of humans when confronted with the temptation to commit adultery, choose not to do so, they prevent the actualization of evil and effectively eliminate the possibility of that specific actualization of evil. A finite bit of the possibility of evil has been erased from the Mind of God. Given the repetition of all the specific occasions of sin that have confronted mankind and were actualized as evil will in some later repetition of that same specific occasion of sin will not be actualized until all the possibility of sin is eliminated from the Mind of God.

I can address the other modalities separately, but not now.

Yppop
 
Why does God allow evil?
Hello James,

Suppose that instead of God taking souls and putting them into human bodies that we as souls figured out how to incarnate into human form. Now suppose that we decided to come to earth as a human for whatever reason even though we knew all the problems that we could possibly face during our lifetime. Would it be a good thing or a bad thing for God to intervene in every problem we encountered?
 
I just wanted to add:

Matthew 24:3-8

While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will all this happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”

Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.

God is giving birth to the human race. We think in shorter time spans than he does. We are in the pains of birth. Actually, I don’t know if we are still considered in a birth state or not. As that was 2000 years ago.
Yes, I think it involves a long gestation period. :). Anyway these teachings from the catechism are related I believe:

**302 Creation has its own goodness and proper perfection, but it did not spring forth complete from the hands of the Creator. The universe was created “in a state of journeying” (in statu viae) toward an ultimate perfection yet to be attained, to which God has destined it. We call “divine providence” the dispositions by which God guides his creation toward this perfection:

By his providence God protects and governs all things which he has made, “reaching mightily from one end of the earth to the other, and ordering all things well”. For “all are open and laid bare to his eyes”, even those things which are yet to come into existence through the free action of creatures.

310 But why did God not create a world so perfect that no evil could exist in it? With infinite power God could always create something better. But with infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world “in a state of journeying” towards its ultimate perfection. In God’s plan this process of becoming involves the appearance of certain beings and the disappearance of others, the existence of the more perfect alongside the less perfect, both constructive and destructive forces of nature. With physical good there exists also physical evil as long as creation has not reached perfection.**
 
Everything in the universe has a balance , you cannot have a positive without a negative ,
You can not have good without bad, it’s up to you which side of the Balance sheet you want to be on,simple really , but then life should be kept simple 🙂
👍 Every advantage has a corresponding disadvantage!
 
Evil is not created by good. God only created good. We created evil.
 
Why does God allow evil?

Here is the reasoning that makes sense to me.

God is all powerful, all knowing, and all present…

God is all free.

Being all free yet He chooses to love and do good.

In order for humankind to be like God in this respect, man must also be as close to all free as is deemed best by God.
You answer your own question well.
Love only exists in freedom. Coercion can’t be part of love.

On a related note. You have a problem with evil, and want an explanation from God for the existence of it. Very understandable.
Why do you not also hold God accountable for good? Don’t you experience both good and evil in your life?
 
Before going further I can imagine the scrupulous jumping up and down and waving their hands in vitriolic disbelief when they read that I believe that God creates sin. No, I am not saying God created sin, I am merely presenting the question. Creation is an act of actualization of a possibility and an act is not evil until a possibility is actualized and in the case of personal evil, it is the person that actualizes the possibility (gives in to temptation) that creates the evil.
Human performs evil because it is not perfect. Who created human? God. So God is responsible for evil.
God is the realm of possibility, meaning that all things that are possible reside in the Mind of God. Evil is a possibility. But possibility is not evil. Whatever evil is possible doesn’t exist until it is actualized. For God to eliminate evil, He must first actualize it in a way that was separated from His own Being so that evil in no way was a part of Him. And as long as evil remains a possibility and not an actuality, it doesn’t exist. Consequently, the method God chose to eliminate evil was to create a scenario whereby evil could be actualized and eliminated bit by bit apart from Himself. Hence, the creation of human beings. God created us to eliminate evil.
Evil is absence of good. God is good hence there is no need to create imperfect being in order to eliminate evil. Are we supposed to suffer for God’s plan,eliminating evil?
 
Human performs evil because it is not perfect. Who created human? God. So God is responsible for evil.
God is ultimately responsible for evil which He permits because it is a lesser evil than not creating independent individuals.
Evil is absence of good. God is good hence there is no need to create imperfect being in order to eliminate evil.
Only God is perfect in every respect.
Are we supposed to suffer for God’s plan,eliminating evil?
Every advantage has a corresponding disadvantage. We can’t have everything for nothing…
 
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