"Why Does God Allow Same-Sex Attraction?" What a Priest Said When He Was Asked This Question

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sometimes I wonder if the goverment may be doing things, like if the aborted fetal cells in the vaccines, the chromosomes going into the wrong body, maybe messing with peoples biology

Just a thought?
 
Hellothere said:
sometimes I wonder if the goverment may be doing things, like if the aborted fetal cells in the vaccines, the chromosomes going into the wrong body, maybe messing with peoples biology

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You mean turning people gay? That’s pretty loony.

Homosexual behavior has been observed throughout human history. We have evidence of gay people from ancient history, long before vaccines or any ability to “introduce chromosomes.”
 
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If God wants people to abstain from homosexual acts, this person asks, then why does such an orientation even exist?
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Same as asking if God wants people to abstain from sin, then why does temptation exist?

We know the answer to that.
 
The priest gave a good answer. Ultimately, I think it’s helpful just to see it as a form of concupiscence. That makes it simply a form of something we all have in common, rather than making some people into an “other.”

In addition to the CCC, I find the Roman Catechism (of Trent)'s answer helpful as well (in context this is why we still have concupiscence and other infirmities after Baptism):
The second reason why bodily infirmity, disease, sense of pain and motions of concupiscence remain after Baptism is that in them we may have the seed and material of virtue from which we shall hereafter receive a more abundant harvest of glory and more ample rewards. When, with patient resignation, we bear all the trials of life, and, aided by the divine assistance, subject to the dominion of reason the rebellious desires of the heart, we ought to cherish an assured hope that if, with the Apostle we shall have fought a good fight, finished the course, and kept the faith, the Lord, the just judge, will render to us on that day a crown of justice which is laid up for us.
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IMHO, to give people something to overcome.
To test their love for God - for their benefit, not God’s.
To increase their self-knowledge.
To give them something to sacrifice. What they are sacrificing, is their will, which inclines them in one direction, whereas it is meant to be directed in a different direction. I think God permits some people to have this attraction - and their number is “not inconsiderable” - so that they can freely deny themselves the gratification of it. Not to “spite themselves”, but (by God’s grace) to deny their own wills from a motive of love for God; so that, by denying themselves, they may be attached, not to their own wills and desires, but to God’s Will and Desire.

I think the same applies to all forbidden urges and desires & temptations.

All the parts of human nature, all virtues, all that we have, do, say, think, want, is meant to be Christ-centred.
Including our instincts, drives, talents, abilities - and including human sexuality. Including sexual orientation and activity.

The fact that X or Y or Z is a form of love, does not, by itself, mean it is a good thing. Love of another’s unhappiness (for instance) is spiteful, uncharitable, ungracious, and wrong - not right. Yet it is a form of love; specifically, a disordered love of self, that loves the self by not loving one’s neighbour. Our loves - for there are many of them - need to be purified, and they also need to be rightly ordered. They also need to be properly directed. And it is not enough for them to have those qualities according to the law of nature - important as that certainly is.

Human loving is meant to be, not merely good in the natural order, but, it is also meant to be elevated, divinised, sanctified, by the grace of Christ, so that it is “super-naturalised”. It is meant to be, not merely naturally good, but super-naturally good; Christ-centredly, God-centredly, Good. It is meant to be a created, specifically human, participation in the Eternal Love that is the Life of the Trinity. Since we are creatures, and therefore limited by nature; and since we are wounded by original sin, and by actual sin (our own sins, and those of others); and since we are not pure spirits, but combinations of soul and body; becoming what we are called to become in Christ takes time. Christians are called to become “holy, just as [God] Who called you is Holy”. The purifying of our loves and our wills and of all we are, is part of that.

If we have some idea of what human loving is for, and why, it is possible for us to see whether a parficular kind of loving - in this case, same-sex attraction - fits with our super-natural vocation.

St John Vianney somewhere says “Do nothing that you cannot offer to God”. STM that is very practical advice.
 
People have sexual attraction to all kinds of off-limits people and even non-people.

Why does God allow some people to be attracted to minors, or even children?

Why does God allow some people to be attracted to their sibling or their parent?

Why does God allow some people to be attracted to animals?

Why does God allow some people to be attracted to their neighbors’ spouses?

God doesn’t go around preventing forbidden attractions from happening in general.

The question is bizarre.
 
No, thats not it. There are some Psychiatrists who beieve that mothers can subtly seduce their sons mentally for whatever deficiencies the Mother is experiencing in her own psych and it confuses the little boy in his development of moving from the love of his Mother to relating to women later on…there are also psychiatric views that a boy is looking for his own identity in the body of other men. I personally do not have any information about lesbianism theorys. It comes down to an abnormal attraction to sexuality being a means to make a person feel complete by using a dead end way of filling the emptyness in an area of their emotions.
 
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Hellothere:
sometimes I wonder if the goverment may be doing things, like if the aborted fetal cells in the vaccines, the chromosomes going into the wrong body, maybe messing with peoples biology
Just a thought?
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You mean turning people gay? That’s pretty loony.
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I don’t think it’s “loony” at all. @Hellothere may be on to something. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that it is a government plot — who would benefit from this (besides the evil one), cui bono? — but things we take into our bodies, things people didn’t have to contend with in past years, such as hormones in food, genetically modified livestock and crops, birth control and other medications in the water supply (from where they are excreted by those who have taken them), and the vaccines that @Hellothere cited, all could be — could be — contributing to the epidemic of sexual aberrations, as well as decreased fertility, sperm count, testosterone levels, and so on. I’d even go so far as to speculate that all this plastic in the environment could be having some kind of effect. Plastic barely existed 75 years ago, and now it is absolutely everywhere. Think of what the man told Dustin Hoffman’s character Benjamin in The Graduate.

Homosexuality was always a naturally occurring aberration in a few people, or a concupiscible disordered attraction, but nowadays, either a lot of people are “coming out of the closet”, or something has happened to make it so pervasive. If we were to swallow the media wholesale — even advertising for otherwise pedestrian products — you’d think half the population was gay.
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Hellothere said:
sometimes I wonder if the goverment may be doing things, like if the aborted fetal cells in the vaccines, the chromosomes going into the wrong body, maybe messing with peoples biology

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It would help more if you retook biology.
HomeschoolDad said:
may be on to something.
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He isn’t.
HomeschoolDad said:
you’d think half the population was gay.
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Ever got a new car and notice how many others drive it too?

Is everyone suddenly driving the same car? No.
 
This is preaching to the choir and I don’t think this directly applies to anyone on this forum anyways.
 
Has any one ever heard of BPA? You can google it to learn its effects.
Or giving chicken female growth hormone to accelerate growth and increase body weight?
The sad truth is that it is most likely the result of sin. Perhaps a combination of many kinds.
Greed, lack of controls, poor research, you name it.
It is a heavy burden indeed to many. We cannot forget that same sex attraction is not a new thing in the course of human history, it was known in antiquity. When people get bored of “regular” relations they may want to 'explore" other things. So we could add “curiosity” to the mix.

Peace!
 
JerryZ said:
Has any one ever heard of BPA? You can google it to learn its effects.
Or giving chicken female growth hormone to accelerate growth and increase body weight?
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So what about all the other countries like Canada who ban hormone therapy?
 
Anrakyr said:
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HomeschoolDad:
may be on to something.
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He isn’t.
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Well, something is happening. Testosterone levels and sperm counts are falling rapidly. Any ideas as to what might be causing this?
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HomeschoolDad:
you’d think half the population was gay.
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Ever got a new car and notice how many others drive it too?

Is everyone suddenly driving the same car? No.
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That’s not what I’m talking about. Of course half the population isn’t gay. But if you will take note of something as homely as TV commercials, you’ll notice that they are slipping in gay or gay-ish couples, and you didn’t see this even two or three years ago. In some cases they could be brothers, they could be roommates, they could even be father and son, but in other cases you will see obvious displays of affection that only romantic couples exchange. It’s the media. They have an agenda. And quite aside from that, gay people have money, and advertisers want to sell to them, rather than having that money be spent somewhere else, so if they can send out a “dog whistle” without being so blatant as to offend those of traditional sensibilities, they’re going to do it. Very often, it’s a case of “hey, wait a minute, something about this commercial is just a bit… off”.

And that Volkswagen couple from two decades ago didn’t have anything “gay about it” in the slightest. It was just two guys who picked up a nasty piece of castaway furniture. I’ve stopped and picked up things myself. Some things should just be taken at face value.

 
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HomeschoolDad:
And that Volkswagen couple from two decades ago didn’t have anything “gay about it”
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Who cares?
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At the time, there was buzz along the lines of “oh, look, two gay guys”. The ad was released around the time that Ellen DeGeneres came out as gay both on her sitcom and in real life — I think it premiered on that show. I saw the commercial (and watched the episodes as well), and said “this is nothing, it’s just two guys who picked up a chair that had an unsavory odor”.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
At the time, there was buzz along the lines of “oh, look, two gay guys”. The ad was released around the time that Ellen DeGeneres came out as gay both on her sitcom and in real life — I think it premiered on that show. I saw the commercial (and watched the episodes as well), and said “this is nothing, it’s just two guys who picked up a chair that had an unsavory odor”.
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What is your point?
 
Anrakyr said:
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HomeschoolDad:
At the time, there was buzz along the lines of “oh, look, two gay guys”. The ad was released around the time that Ellen DeGeneres came out as gay both on her sitcom and in real life — I think it premiered on that show. I saw the commercial (and watched the episodes as well), and said “this is nothing, it’s just two guys who picked up a chair that had an unsavory odor”.
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What is your point?
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My point is, that even though there are many gay-themed and gay-intended TV commercials, this isn’t one of them, even though some perceive it that way. You could read it that way if you wanted to, but that would be in your mind, not anything intrinsic to the commercial itself.
 
Let’s bring up Greek love. That was obviously a learned behavior. A choice. “Men are for love, women are for breeding”.
How does that fit in – all those Greeks were gay by nature?
People can pretend that gayness is just some innate quality but it’s obvious in many cases that it is a choice. A cultural practice.
How about the undercover gay subculture of Islam as well?!


 
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HomeschoolDad said:
Homosexuality was always a naturally occurring aberration in a few people, or a concupiscible disordered attraction, but nowadays, either a lot of people are “coming out of the closet”, or something has happened to make it so pervasive. If we were to swallow the media wholesale — even advertising for otherwise pedestrian products — you’d think half the population was gay.
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It wasn’t that long ago that you risked public ridicule and social ostracisation if you came out as gay. Or much worse. There’ll shortly be a monument erected in a local park just down the road from me in memory of all the gay killings that occurred in this and nearby suburbs back in the 60’s and 70’s. And this is not, and was not at the time, an area that was considered dangerous or crime ridden.

Now people feel safer to let people know they’re gay. Hence there appear to be more.

But of course, some people still associate it with all sorts of evils and compare homosexuality to…I dunno…lying, cheating, stealing, laziness, drunkenness, envy…what have you. I read that comparison quite recently actually. A few minutes ago. It was in the article linked in the OP.
 
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