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fisherman_carl
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Anyone care to elaborate?
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ClearWater
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To manifest the glory of God.
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GangGreen
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God doesn’t choose the weak. The “weak” choose God.
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ynotzap
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The way I see it, and the way I see life presenting it shows God’s plan. He often uses the weak, the sick, the children and the poor to be some of His best witnesses. First they are usually from humble stock. God does give grace to the humble, and resists the proud. When God acts to make His truth and power manifest, He chooses "Cracked Vessels of Clay. You wouldn’t expect any thing phenominal from such people, they become signs of contradiction.as Christ was, being
The way I see it is that God chooses the poor’, the humble, the sick and the children. They are from humble stock. God gives grace to the humble and resists the proud. When God works His miracles, or some phenominal work, like reformation, He chooses the humble . No one would expect them to accomplish some great thing, but by God’s grace they do. They give more witness to God, and His work, because when we look at them we say to ourselves “It isn’t possible that they could do such things, it’s God” God uses “Cracked Vessels of Clay” to carry His power. the weak manifest the power of God and His work more clearly by contrast. They show a great degree of sanctity by the work of the Holy Spirit. Like Jesus they become signs of contradiction. Jesus being God humbled Himself and became like man in everything except for sin
The way I see it is that God chooses the poor’, the humble, the sick and the children. They are from humble stock. God gives grace to the humble and resists the proud. When God works His miracles, or some phenominal work, like reformation, He chooses the humble . No one would expect them to accomplish some great thing, but by God’s grace they do. They give more witness to God, and His work, because when we look at them we say to ourselves “It isn’t possible that they could do such things, it’s God” God uses “Cracked Vessels of Clay” to carry His power. the weak manifest the power of God and His work more clearly by contrast. They show a great degree of sanctity by the work of the Holy Spirit. Like Jesus they become signs of contradiction. Jesus being God humbled Himself and became like man in everything except for sin
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Trishie
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Carl, we are all chosen one way or other, or instance, not ust those in religious vocations are called to serve and also to have valuable contributions.
Consider what a call it is to bring a child into the world, a child with an eternal soul entrust to your care.
And who of us is not weak, vulnerable, handicapped in some way?
The canonized priest Padre Pio was a super-saint, but if you read his letters to his spiritual director you will discover how weak, how personally uncertain he sometimes was.
We are all called to the most challenging task of all, to love god above all and others as ourselves, with practical and prayerful love, requiring at times, heroic effort and sacrifice.
Consider what a call it is to bring a child into the world, a child with an eternal soul entrust to your care.
And who of us is not weak, vulnerable, handicapped in some way?
The canonized priest Padre Pio was a super-saint, but if you read his letters to his spiritual director you will discover how weak, how personally uncertain he sometimes was.
We are all called to the most challenging task of all, to love god above all and others as ourselves, with practical and prayerful love, requiring at times, heroic effort and sacrifice.
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Matthew_Light
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It’s all written out in 1 Corinthians 1:25-31
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Beryllos
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“So that no one might boast in the presence of God.” - 1 Corinthians 1:29
It’s from this passage:
1 Corinthians 1:17-31 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
For Christ did not send me to baptize but to proclaim the gospel, and not with eloquent wisdom, so that the cross of Christ might not be emptied of its power.
For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written,
Edit: Matthew Light, you beat me to the point. Great minds think alike?
It’s from this passage:
1 Corinthians 1:17-31 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
For Christ did not send me to baptize but to proclaim the gospel, and not with eloquent wisdom, so that the cross of Christ might not be emptied of its power.
For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written,
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”
Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, God decided, through the foolishness of our proclamation, to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks desire wisdom, but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For God’s foolishness is wiser than human wisdom, and God’s weakness is stronger than human strength.
Consider your own call, brothers and sisters: not many of you were wise by human standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, things that are not, to reduce to nothing things that are, so that no one might boast in the presence of God. He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption, in order that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”
Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, God decided, through the foolishness of our proclamation, to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks desire wisdom, but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For God’s foolishness is wiser than human wisdom, and God’s weakness is stronger than human strength.
Consider your own call, brothers and sisters: not many of you were wise by human standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, things that are not, to reduce to nothing things that are, so that no one might boast in the presence of God. He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption, in order that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
Edit: Matthew Light, you beat me to the point. Great minds think alike?
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Matthew_Light
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I love that passage so much.
It is so beautiful, I can hear God’s voice in it so clearly.
It has been a favorite since I came across it in Madeline L’Engle’s A Wrinkle in Time series…
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david_patrick
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in pretext: (from shakespere’s Mcbeth…
mcbeth and a doctor have a conversation
"Cure her of that.
Canst thou not minister to a mind diseased,
Pluck from the memory a rooted sorrow,
Raze out the written troubles of the brain
And with some sweet oblivious antidote
Cleanse the stuff’d bosom of that perilous stuff
Which weighs upon the heart?”
there is no such thing as a sweet oblivious antidote…hence, in weakness-
spiritual manesfestations…are of the father, to minister; son, to raze; and holy spirit to cleanse…this is the action of God’s mercy toward teh ‘poor in spirit,’ they are weak and know it; That is why God chooses the weak
this solves a quandry of doubt -if to send the rich away empty-then best to fully depend on teh Lord, and be filled…
mcbeth and a doctor have a conversation
"Cure her of that.
Canst thou not minister to a mind diseased,
Pluck from the memory a rooted sorrow,
Raze out the written troubles of the brain
And with some sweet oblivious antidote
Cleanse the stuff’d bosom of that perilous stuff
Which weighs upon the heart?”
there is no such thing as a sweet oblivious antidote…hence, in weakness-
spiritual manesfestations…are of the father, to minister; son, to raze; and holy spirit to cleanse…this is the action of God’s mercy toward teh ‘poor in spirit,’ they are weak and know it; That is why God chooses the weak
this solves a quandry of doubt -if to send the rich away empty-then best to fully depend on teh Lord, and be filled…
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tafan
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God chooses who He needs, certainly not all are weak. One would be hard pressed to describe St Paul as weak, or the apostles for that matter. In modern times, look at Morher Teresa, she certainly was not weak. Padre Pio? JP II?
I would say he rarely chooses people who are weak.
I would say he rarely chooses people who are weak.
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ynotzap
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I think that the OP perhaps was thinking of the poor, the insignificant, and humble. But I agree with you all are not weak, but I inclined to think all were humble or humbled . the twelve apostles were from humble stock, fishermen. St. Paul was a son of a Pharisee, and educated. but he had to be humbled. Others were rich like St. Francis but willlingly became poor. If God wants to promote His Kingdom He humbles’ and uses humble people. Humility is the foundation virtue of holiness. Christ gave the example. Humility is living in the truth.
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GangGreen
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Many are called, but few are chosen. It’s not that they’re specifically picked, but instead make the choice with free will to be chosen. In theory, everyone is chosen by God, it’s a matter of the person accepting that call.
Even Mary, the Apostles, and the Saints has to say Yes to God.
Even Mary, the Apostles, and the Saints has to say Yes to God.
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