Why does God exist?

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I’ve been thinking about this recently, and have my own answer of sorts, but want to see your answers.

Why does God exist? I mean, other than being necessary for the creation of the universe, because that’s then a circular idea, as well as implying God is a slave to us.
 
Well from what we can assume, he was probably always there. He doesn’t have any parents or any other creator, so I have no idea how he is possible…

Aside from that, why would he create a world like this? Why cant we all just be up in heaven rather than having to go through all this ‘bad’ stuff on earth? the point is to get saved. Well why? There would be no need for it if he did things differently. Like not making an earth but rather us just in heaven?

There is no real answer to either of our questions because all of it would be based upon assumption. god doesn’t state an answer to the questions, so I guess its just whatever you think it is.
 
Well, from a philosophical standpoint, the answer to why God exists, is that is essence–his nature–is “to be.”

My nature is not “to be.” My nature is human, my cat’s nature is feline. A being acts according to its nature. Since God’s nature is existence, he must act according to his nature. He must “be.” That’s not intended as an argument for his existence, just an explanation of his nature. If God decided to not be, he could not, because his nature is existence.

If God decided to not exist, it would be nothing. And nothing IS impossible to God.
 
Well, from a philosophical standpoint, the answer to why God exists, is that is essence–his nature–is “to be.”

My nature is not “to be.” My nature is human, my cat’s nature is feline. A being acts according to its nature. Since God’s nature is existence, he must act according to his nature. He must “be.” That’s not intended as an argument for his existence, just an explanation of his nature. If God decided to not be, he could not, because his nature is existence.

If God decided to not exist, it would be nothing. And nothing IS impossible to God.
Well who made the creator? Or what made the creator?

You cannot answer that because you would say that he always was- which is impossible to the human mind. There are some things we cannot understand at this human level.
 
If there was not a first cause, which itself was not caused, then we never would arrive at this very moment.

Think of infinity - going in 2 directions, backward and forward…we often only think of infinity going forward. Now if there was no first cause, which itself was not caused, we never would get to this point today.

I think Aquinas was the one who walked through the logic, something like
  • Every thing has a cause
  • Nothing causes itself
  • Therefore everything is caused by something else
  • No effect can precede its cause
  • No effect can be the result of an infinite causal chain
  • Therefore there had to have been a first cause, which itself was not caused.
Something like this.
 
Well who made the creator? Or what made the creator?

You cannot answer that because you would say that he always was- which is impossible to the human mind. There are some things we cannot understand at this human level.
Well yes, I would say that he always was, because that is of his essence. Although the standard catechism answer that God “always was and always will be” is a little imcomplete, because it implies an infinite time continuum, and God does not occupy time (or space) since that would constitute a limitation. And I agree we cannot fully comprehend God at the level of human intellect, even though his essence is fully intelligible.
 
Well yes, I would say that he always was, because that is of his essence. Although the standard catechism answer that God “always was and always will be” is a little imcomplete, because it implies an infinite time continuum, and God does not occupy time (or space) since that would constitute a limitation. And I agree we cannot fully comprehend God at the level of human intellect, even though his essence is fully intelligible.
Thats my point- his time is different. and yes he does have time, the bible says that.

He always was and always will be. If not why would he use the words eternity?
Meaning always will be. And even so, its still impossible for us to understand.
 
Thats my point- his time is different. and yes he does have time, the bible says that.

He always was and always will be. If not why would he use the words eternity?
Meaning always will be. And even so, its still impossible for us to understand.
Always was and always will be is ok with me; it’s what I was taught as a child. But to refine the concept, one really can’t think of God as having his existence as a series of points on a timeline. That’s the way humans exist. We never possess the fullness or our existence, but only possess it moment by moment, and one moment is already gone. But God possesses the fullness of his existence all at once.

He can certainly interact with his creatures, of course, and to do so he must impinge on their timelines, enter their spacetime, rather like we can impinge upon a line at any point with our pencil. But a “point-person” would view the world as a series of points and our impingement as evidence that we too were point-persons.
 
If I had the answer you then could worship me for then I would be God. Thank God I don’t. And Thank God, that God exists. I don’t think we can arrive at a complete answer. If we could then we would be God because we will then understand everything that God understands. But it is an interesting question! Why does God exist? We get glimpses in the scriptures when God told Moses " I am that I am “. " I am is the one who sent you”. God exists, period! Within God there is eternity. We know that much. We also know that God knows everything and I mean everything. He knows what you are going to say before you say it, after you say it, and beyond. For instance God knows the future. Everything about it. The devil cannot know the future for the devil is a finite being. Oh he can have a pretty good guess at it but the devil cannot know what God knows. God is infinite and we like the devil or any of the angels are finite beings. We all have our limitations. But God is not finite but infinite and has no limitations. Within Our Lord contains all the order in the universe. God can do everything because He is infinite, eternal, all-knowing, perfection, and can crack a smile like the best of us. OK so He can be like us. But He is different much different. Well we need to grow into love or grow into His Love, He is Love. God not only Loves but He is Love. We can’t make that claim. We need to grow into the Truth, He is the Truth. God cannot lie for it is impossible for Him to do that. ( He is alot like the Vulkans on Star Trek for they cannot lie either ). I think Gene Roddenbury created an interesting character in Mr.Spock and probably used alot of the characteristics that God has and put it into Mr.Spock. God as we know is a Trinity of Persons. A Family. God designed the whole human race after His Own Design. Just as the Trinity is a family of 3 Divine Persons so God designed the human race in similar fashion so the a family needs at least a father, mother, and child. The Holy Family of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph is like the Trinity, a Trinity on earth. Everything God designed within humanity is a reflection of Himself. God did not need anyone to tell Him for God is all sufficient. Why He created us was to deposit that Love which is Himself into created beings who then can resemble Himself and can have an eternal relationship with Him as well. We were created to contain God. This history that we are going through although it is violent and troublesome is actually the process of us to contain God so that we can spend eternity with Him. It is painful but what other way can God use. He must work with our finite minds and wills to create in us that eternity that will make us live with Him forever. God could have chosen to create all of the human race at once like He did when He created the Angels. But He choose the way we see it now so that man must cooperate with God to bring forth the human race. This is then why we have a history. To complete the creation of the whole human race so that in the end those who will it so will enter into eternity with God forever in Heaven. Like the creation of the Angels when some disobeyed and have fallen away forever from the Grace of God so too the human race must come forth with some who have will fully fallen away from the Grace of God while others like the Good Angels to accept eternal happiness with Him forever.
 
Questioning the “why” of anything is to inquire about a cause, namely with respect to final causality, and so I believe any direct answer as to “why” God exists would be fundamentally misguided. He isn’t caused; He’s the Uncaused Cause, the First & Unmoved Mover, Subsistent Existence Itself, etc.

Then again, final causality pertains to ends, presumably intentions that are held by some agent or other. So in one respect the question tacitly presupposes something prior to God, some preceding intentional mind that harbors God’s existence as, say, a desired, or perhaps only possible/non-actual, goal. In that case, there’s no response that could even potentially elucidate what’s being sought, since anything so prior to “God” would qualify as a much better candidate for deity, while ousting any being that permits of explanation.

But in another respect, one answer to ‘Why does God exist?’ might be: God exists because God loves Himself. (I nominate jmcrae’s glib, tongue-in-cheek response as the best so far – “Because He wants to” – I mean, as long as ‘want’ doesn’t imply any lacking, of course.) Obviously there’s some circularity in that (just a bit); which is exactly why some may be willing to grant it as a justifiable account – i.e., due to its identifying God as “Self-Caused,” an eternal Act (not Fact) of Self-Creation, the divine “unchanging motion” that allows for a grasp of Pure Being which isn’t “merely” static or in some sense empty.

Upon second thought, I’m growing more fond of the latter answer, despite its paradoxical, arguably contradictory nature, for its seemingly greater consistency with the doctrine of the Trinity. If the Father is God, and the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and if the Father precedes the Son, as well as the Holy Spirit (“Who proceeds from the Father and the Son”), then it follows that God precedes God (Who Himself precedes God).

And yet I have faith in Divine Simplicity; which is a notion that I doubt can ever hold any substantial residence within our finite, anal-retentive intellects. Is God “Simply One and Many” or would He be better understood as just neither One nor Many? But how is the former in any conceivable way “Simply” and how can the latter square with Scripture’s apparently perspicuous declaration of God’s Being One? (E.g., Deut. 6:4 states that “the Lord our God is one Lord.” Hmmm, perhaps One in His “Lordliness”, but not His Godliness?)

Thank the Lord for the graciously accessible, relational, and quite personable Trinity of Divine Persons! Probably the safest conclusion that we can draw is that all of our contemplations about God should consciously reserve a disclaimer, that they’re relatively limited to one particular respect or another, that He is imperfectly conceived by man in terms of his relations to man, viz. freely within/toward creation, but could only ever be absolutely considered by Himself. Thus, more modestly, ‘Why does God exist as regards man’s existence?’ or ‘Why does God so manifest Himself within Creation, or stand forth in such and such a way, especially triunely?’ (‘exist’ literally just means “to stand forth”).
 
The question should be “why do we exist?”, because God is self sustaining. There is no reason that God exists, because God created the very concept of reason!

God is who He chooses to Be, and among other things, He chose to be our creator.

He Is who He Is, and that all there is to it!
 
The question should be “why do we exist?”, because God is self sustaining. There is no reason that God exists, because God created the very concept of reason!

God is who He chooses to Be, and among other things, He chose to be our creator.

He Is who He Is, and that all there is to it!
Well lets just hope we exist. 😛
 
I’ve been thinking about this recently, and have my own answer of sorts, but want to see your answers.

Why does God exist? I mean, other than being necessary for the creation of the universe, because that’s then a circular idea, as well as implying God is a slave to us.
All the scientific, religious, and atheistic assertions about God are exactly that: intellectual assertions. God is not in the realm of existence or of description. God IS. So neither do questions apply to God, only to the educational activity of one who might eventually get beyond their mind to a realm of actual “spirituality.”

To the mind, God can only appear as infinity effulgent emptiness having no qualities. All the personifications of God are exactly that. Those personifications are useful for holding the attention until we grow up. The Cardinal of Cusa as quoted in a link on a thread elsewhere on the philosophy forum says it very accurately. I suggest you look up that link here. It is very worth a read, though I don’t think many will be very happy with it. But it is from a Catholic Cardinal and it does agree with the great Catholic mystics. So take it for what it is worth.
 
For what it’s worth, I deem: ‘Why does God exist (i.e., “stand forth”)?’ = ‘Why does God create?’ = ‘Why does God exist as Creator and Lord Jesus Christ?’

The last of these questions is really the most sensible formulation, at least in my opinion. I can’t answer the first, why He exists, beyond asserting why He can’t not exist, stating that existence, or standing forth – presenting – already entails something potentially stood-forth-to/in, and therefore implies something prior, grounding and allowing relation. And any sort of relation requires a diversity, a manyness – at least twoness – that runs contrary to simple oneness; relation necessitates division, a split, side(s).

‘Relate’ = ‘re-’ (back, again) + ‘latus’ (used as suppletive pp. of ‘ferre’ (to bear); and, coincidentally, a Latin word for ‘side’ is ‘latus’ (carried, borne), while ‘ferrum’ is a Latin word for something solid that splits things, ‘sword’. Oh, and di-vision* is just double vision – from L. videre, meaning either to see (sight; knowledge) or to separate (se = self; root par- = equal) – or knowledge of two, which implies two things, i.e., at the least, two “images”/senses of the same thing. Relation, be it of the visual or epistemic sort, somehow stands as a unity among, at minimum, two units, co-responding acts of relating.]

And so an act or process of relation itself must consist (pace ex-sistere, con-sistere, meaning to come/cause to stand together) of, like the visual relation, at least two units/participants within it, somehow making it up, or in (yet) other words, creating it. ‘Why does God create?’ asks for His intention, what He has in Mind. If, as we believe, God is Essentially One, then the intentional relation is impossible for Him unless the very relation is creative, an act of creatio ex nihilo (though perhaps more accurately dubbed creatio per se (through itself) or creatiointima (inmost)? interneca (between the center; from within)? intestina (inside/internal, esp. w/in or re: a body)? His relating to Creation is His creating; and His relating is also His knowing, which is traditionally conceived as actively causal, not passively receptive, knowledge. Relating, creating, and knowing are all simultaneously one in God. As it turns out, the knowing relation to creation need not presuppose creation, because it ontologically proceeds from it, much in the same way a line segment can only be defined by postulating two independent end-points, proceeding as an infinitely divisible connection between them. The intuitive answer to the first question appears to conflict with the paradox of the second.

He is what (Whom) He is, because He knows what He knows; moreover, He is His Knowledge, a perfect – thus absolutely desirable and worthy of love, or good – knowledge, which might describe why and how He creates. He has Himself in (as) Mind; He intends Himself. Love (Spiritual) is constituted by both a first knowing (Intellectual) and posterior desiring (Volitional), and love is most perfectly creative, generative, and productive. God’s willful knowledge of Himself causes, or is identical to, His being One with and conceiving of Himself, that is, begetting the Son of God, Whom is One in Being with the Father. Thus were there Two in One, viz., two in one act of causative self-knowledge, then naturally making three in one, persisting to spiral forth ad infinitum like the Fibonacci Sequence (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8…). One united infinity of infinitesimals.

So why does God exist as Creator and Lord Jesus Christ? It’s only fitting that God’s ultimate existence within His vast creation comes in the material form of Man, Imago Dei, directly at the gaping center of it all, suffering at the most proudly delicate, side-splitting, and twistingly divisive of spots, a speck within a possibly infinite universe between heaven and hell – yet maintaining rational dominion over and among his earthly home and its inferior inhabitants, (re-)claiming the peak with uniquely specific diversity, enlightening, industrious knowledge, and freely reproductive conception.

*Vision (properly) occurs in man as a perceptual synthesis of two distinct images, as a result of his naturally possessing two eyes, thereby seeing in terms of a brain-interpreted unity of two (slightly) differing perspectives toward one self-identical (equal per se) object. One advantage of having two eyes is that a greater amount can be seen of any divisible, material thing than would have been possible from any single point (i.e., 3-D, stereoscopic vision); another is that sight remains possible, albeit in limited capacity – a la the Fall – in the event that one of them is injured/blinded. For one reason or another then, it seems, man’s knowledge is only mediately singular and unified after differentiated sense-data; it’s always, like himself, a unified composite permitting of abstract analysis into self-insufficient parts, or ex post facto, ex uno derivable co-principles.
 
God exists because God is Love, the most powerful Source of energy that exists, the Source of all thought, creativity, freedom, unity and joy…
 
Thanks everyone for your replies so far. Just so I’m clear, I was asking what purpose God has for existing, not evidence/arguments for his existence.
 
What purpose is there for IS or AM? Yet Tonyrey is right, but those are the AMing of the “I” of God. There is a Trinity, but not quite as you might have heard it portrayed.
 
Thats my point- his time is different. and yes he does have time, the bible says that.

He always was and always will be. If not why would he use the words eternity?
Meaning always will be. And even so, its still impossible for us to understand.
Eternity is not just “a really long time” - rather, it is a condition of being outside of and beyond time, while at the same instant encompassing all of time and space into one everlasting “now.”
 
That is well put, Jmcrae. Another way to say it might be that Eternity has no element of duration.
 
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