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tonyrey
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What greater purpose can there be than living for love? It is the beginning and the end (in more senses than one!)…
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4Horsemen
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God exists in and of Himself, so He needs no purpose. But because He is a God of Love (besides all the attributes of Goodness, Truth, Joy, Beauty, etc. . . ), He purposefully created the universe and our place in it with the end result being to share with us His happiness forever in Heaven.
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JDaniel
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God is the source and the basis and the grounding of the futurum exactum, in precisely the same way that the “one,” or the unit, is the source, basis and grounding of mathematics. God is the root of the futurum exactum. Without God’s creative aspect, we would not be. But, without God’s grounding in reality, there could be no real future perfect - therefore, no truth would be carried beyond the present. But, there clearly is some sort of unavoidable eternal. The world and the universe are not here merely temporarily – even if all of this dies a frozen death, in a few billion years.
To say that “I am here today,” is to say that my being here is true today. And, as such, it contains all of the immensity of power and reality that that phrase perforce must have. But, more, it is not only to say that I am here now, it is to say that my being is true now even in the future. Again, that concept is not temporal. To say that I was here today is true forever; even if mankind completely dies out. It is in this sense, and only in this sense, that truth is eternal. There is no other source or basis or grounding of truth in some distant future. There is no other source or basis of grounding of the eternality of truth.
It is utterly based upon whether or not it is unavoidably true that I am here today. If I am here today, then it is unavoidably true that tomorrow I will have been here - likewise the world, and, likewise the universe. So, there’s more than physics and the laws of nature at work here. There is an insertion, into the temporal, of the eternal. We call this eternal, God.
God bless,
jd
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tonyrey
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This is the most formidable refutation of materialism. Facts are eternal, immutable and indestructible. They could hardly exist in a void…
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JDaniel
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Yes, it is. I’ve been thinking about this ever since I read Robert Spaemann’s, Rationality and Faith in God lecture, about a year ago. I knew there was something there that pointed to the irrefutable fact that the most compelling proof for God, and, therefore, against materialism, was grounded in unadulterated rationality. If there are true facts, they are necessarily, “eternal, immutable and indestructible,” as you point out. Since all else is essentially fleeting, it would be completely irrational to consider the statement, “we are here now, and will have been here now" no matter how distant in the future it is thought. History books would be non-sense. History would be non-sense. It is absolutely necessary that there be He who is Eternal. Matter is outlived by the Eternal. Truths and facts accompany the Eternal. They are not word games. And, what is more, the Eternal must be able to communicate with mankind.This is the most formidable refutation of materialism. Facts are eternal, immutable and indestructible. They could hardly exist in a void…
Love is nothing other than truth brought about in deed. Love is the creation, or, the becoming real of the other for me. What was Jesus’ response to Pilate when He was asked if He was a king? Truth, together with Love, is, therefore, the most significant central concept of the New Testament. How incredibly irrational it would seem to be that men of that ancient age – men who knew nothing about modern physics, science or naturalism - could have contrived the entire story.
God bless,
jd
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PJM
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My dear friend, what in the world gives you the idea that God can be or is “a slave to us?” That is a facinating statement.
The simple truth is that if God did not exist *; ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WOULD EXIST. The key word here is NOTHING. N-O-T-H-I-N-G at all.
No Universe
No Earth
No living thing…
The better question might be: WHY DOES GOD EXIST?
***From the Catholic Catechism ***
292 The Old Testament suggests and the New Covenant reveals the creative action of the Son and the Spirit, inseparably one with that of the Father. This creative co-operation is clearly affirmed in the Church’s rule of faith: “There exists but one God. . . he is the Father, God, the Creator, the author, the giver of order. He made all things by himself, that is, by his Word and by his Wisdom”, “by the Son and the Spirit” who, so to speak, are “his hands”. Creation is the common work of the Holy Trinity.
**293 **Scripture and Tradition never cease to teach and celebrate this fundamental truth: "The world was made for the glory of God."134 St. Bonaventure explains that God created all things “not to increase his glory, but to show it forth and to communicate it”,135 for God has no other reason for creating than his love and goodness: "Creatures came into existence when the key of love opened his hand."136 The First Vatican Council explains:
This one, true God, of his own goodness and “almighty power”, not for increasing his own beatitude, nor for attaining his perfection, but in order to manifest this perfection through the benefits which he bestows on creatures, with absolute freedom of counsel "and from the beginning of time, made out of nothing both orders of creatures, the spiritual and the corporeal. . ."137
294 The glory of God consists in the realization of this manifestation and communication of his goodness, for which the world was created. God made us “to be his sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace”, for "the glory of God is man fully alive; moreover man’s life is the vision of God: if God’s revelation through creation has already obtained life for all the beings that dwell on earth, how much more will the Word’s manifestation of the Father obtain life for those who see God." The ultimate purpose of creation is that God “who is the creator of all things may at last become “all in all”, thus simultaneously assuring his own glory and our beatitude.”
Question: What were the actions of the Holy Spirit in the Creation event **in Genesis 1:1-31, **and what does the action of the God the Son and God the Holy Spirit reveal about Creation?
God Bless you friend [and yes God exist fo that precie purpose too]
**Answer:*The Holy Spirit was present bringing light into the darkness
The Spirit divided the waters and made dry land appear
The Spirit regulated the day and night sequence
The Spirit presided over the creation of life
Creation is the unified work of the Most Holy Trinity
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