Why does God expect us to act in a way contrary to certain biological inclinations?

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

I think he was referring to asexual reproduction in which gametes from two individuals are not fused, rather, the single organism has offspring with itself. Like how bacteria do binary fission to have offspring.

Yes, I understand that…but I can’t think of any species of fish that are asexual.
Furthermore, I fail to see the relationship between the sexual life of single cell organisms and man’s reproductive activities.

 

[Confiteor_Deo]

Yes, I understand that…but I can’t think of any species of fish that are asexual.
Furthermore, I fail to see the relationship between the sexual life of single cell organisms and man’s reproductive activities.

Yes, I cannot think of any either, but the sea is quite vast so I suppose it’s possible.

I suppose he is saying that, since God made certain organism’s reproduction void of pleasure (as far as we can tell in bacteria and so forth), He could have done the same with humans but didn’t and wonders why.

 

[Bahman]

I think your base premise is wrong. God does not expect us to choose a path contrary to the very nature God has given us. The nature God gave us yearns for growth in holiness and reunion with Him in heaven. It is our darkened intellects and weakened wills that pursue counterfeit paths.

Your statement is full of contradiction. How we are supposed to find our ways back to God if we with our nature look for him without using our intellect!? What does even darkened intellect means? The only synonym I find for it is stupidity.

 

[Bahman]

So with a proper understanding of Original Sin, the question really is: Why does God create people who are naturally inclined to choose against him in various ways?

Accepting the definition of God, story of original sin, and our very nature which is inclined to choose against him in various ways, we can conclude that his torturing us! Isn’t that a good conclusion? What other option you have?

 

[Bradski]

The pleasure of sex is a gift of God…

So if two dogs are copulating, it’s a gift from God?

Look, you can’t have it both ways. Either it is a natural, evolution driven response to encourage reproduction (as per the majority of the animal kingdom) of it’s a gift from God, in which all animals are the happy beneficiaries.

It’s going to be a bit of a stretch if you’re going to suggest that animals wanting to have sex is a natural urge and exactly the same urge in Man is a gift.

 

[Confiteor_Deo]

So if two dogs are copulating, it’s a gift from God?

Look, you can’t have it both ways. Either it is a natural, evolution driven response to encourage reproduction (as per the majority of the animal kingdom) of it’s a gift from God, in which all animals are the happy beneficiaries.

It’s going to be a bit of a stretch if you’re going to suggest that animals wanting to have sex is a natural urge and exactly the same urge in Man is a gift.

It can be both since evolution was divinely guided. Everything that we & the beasts of the earth have is a grace of God.

 

[davidv]

Your statement is full of contradiction.

No it is not. I do not believe you understood what I wrote.

How we are supposed to find our ways back to God if we with our nature look for him without using our intellect!?

By trusting Him and His Church to lead us.

What does even darkened intellect means? The only synonym I find for it is stupidity.

That is close. A better meaning is that a weaken will gives up its control over the passions.

 

[Bahman]

No it is not. I do not believe you understood what I wrote.

I think I did.

By trusting Him and His Church to lead us.

What is the use of intellect then? That seems to me like full blindness and obedience.

That is close. A better meaning is that a weaken will gives up its control over the passions.

You are kidding. Don’t you? That is exactly what you are doing as Christian.

 

[davidv]

I think I did.

Your response indicates the contrary.

What is the use of intellect then? That seems to me like full blindness and obedience.

Your are seeing it incorrectly.

You are kidding. Don’t you? That is exactly what you are doing as Christian.

No, I am not kidding. What exactly am I doing?

 

[Bahman]

Your response indicates the contrary.

No it is not.

Your are seeing it incorrectly.

No I am not. Do you have any other option except to follow God and his Church? You are clearly giving up your intellect. I am wondering why you resist this simple fact?

No, I am not kidding. What exactly am I doing?

You weaken your will by giving up your control on any situation by allowing that your passion grows for God.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

So with a proper understanding of Original Sin, the question really is: Why does God create people who are naturally inclined to choose against him in various ways?

God created people to be naturally inclined to the nature He created. A small percentage of people CHOOSE an unnatural inclination.

 

[ynotzap]

Or, put another way, why does God create humans with certain biological inclinations when these inclinations lead to sin?

So with a proper understanding of Original Sin, the question really is: Why does God create people who are naturally inclined to choose against him in various ways?

Why does God create people with original sin with all it’s consequences of concupiscence, (a tendency to follow sensuality contrary to reason), a weakened will ( doing what one doesn’t really want to do but can’t resist), ignorance as to what is right and true. God did it because of His love for Humanity. Since our first parents lost His gift of grace, the Holy Spirit, man could never acquire this Gift for himself, it was freely given not merited, or owed to man. God sent His Son to redeem us by meriting for us this Holy Spirit. We have another evil spirit that keeps man in bondage to sin and it’s effects. With the loss of grace, man commits irrational acts, contrary to his rational nature. Man is like the animals, a living being, but he is a rational animal. Animal means that an entity has a soul responsible for it’s activities. Animals have a soul dependent on matter and feelings, senses. Man has the same thing, but in addition, has a soul that has the powers of intellection, reason, and will, which reasons to be a spiritual soul. To employ the act of sex with it’s purpose is to act according to his nature, a rational one. Sex becomes a means to an end, procreation (the purpose) When sex by a rational creature is performed, outside marriage (eliminating the rational responsibilities that come with caring for offspring) and done for sensual pleasure, the means to the end becomes the end itself, which is to act irrationally, to go against one’s rational nature. We then succumb to the feelings of sensuality, rather then the dictate of the rational mind. It takes the grace of God to overcome these weaknesses. It is only through Jesus Christ can we be redeemed from this fallen condition of humanity.

 

[fisherman_carl]

I don’t think he does. There is a difference between self control and acting against nature. If we did not have self control we couldn’t have marriages or families. It is in the best interest of society that we are not barbarians.