Why does God resurrect the damned on final judgment?

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When God knows that they would suffer for eternity? Or would the damned enjoy their afterlife for eternity too?
 
I’ve heard it’s to do justice to human nature, which is body-soul.

However, I feel as if annihilation would be more merciful than everlasting physical torment of a physical body.

So whatever answer there is, it would have to show that the resurrection of the damned is not just an arbitrary punishment inflicted by a vengeful God.
 
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I think because humans are meant for a bodily existence. But those who chose to be separated from God will suffer in body and soul after the resurrection.
 
The teaching of the Church is that the souls of damned begin suffering immediately after their particular judgment. The general resurrection will greatly increase their suffering, as they will suffer in body and soul.

I don’t understand much of what God does or why, but I believe that everything will make sense in the end.
 
Ty for the posts everyone. Yet I wanna see more answers.
Please focus for the first question, why would God resurrect the damned. Some damned would want to get deleted instead IMO.
 
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I don’t know. But it does say in the bible that every hidden thing, every thought and action will be revealed publicly.

So, perhaps part of it is this might be important for the sake of the saved. That we all see each other publicly judged to see for ourselves that this judgement is just. Maybe the saved need to see this to have full trust in God’s goodness to be in complete union with Him.

The very fact that this judgement is so hard to understand might be part of the reason its needed. So that all is revealed. Even God’s plan.
 
The problem here is something that’s difficult for many modern minds to accept: Damnation is evil for the damned, May the greatest evil, but it is not evil simply, and in fact it’s good, since it is the just punishment of sin. This is true of all punishments. Incarceration is evil for the one incarcerated, but is good simply.

Benedicat Deus,
Latinitas
 
I know I can’t and shouldn’t question something such as this because I have no knowledge or authority over
But I wish the damned would just cease to exist or that there would be an option in which that was the case

I know God has good reasons for creating us and thus to remove is from existence would be contradicting that but to my small human brain it seems like a fair option

I wonder if we ever had any say pre-birth in our creation
Not that we deserve a day in wether we exist or not
I just choose to ignore these questions most days because they don’t help my relationship with God
 
Would people in heaven enjoy their happiness while they’re knowing that there is people who staying outside of heaven and suffering?
 
Would people in heaven enjoy their happiness while they’re knowing that there is people who staying outside of heaven and suffering?
Why do you think they don’t know? The people in Hell do not end up there accidentally. Quite the contrary, it’s very deliberate.
 
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@Fauken

Deliberate? That’s what i think but this would rule out the hypothesis that someone can just “happen” to die in mortal sin. If damnation is deliberate, final impenitence needs to be a willful choice, not something that maybe “happens” to you because a coked out drug addict ran you down with his car while you were in mortal sin.
 
Deliberate? That’s what i think but this would rule out the hypothesis that someone can just “happen” to die in mortal sin. If damnation is deliberate, final impenitence needs to be a willful choice, not something that maybe “happens” to you because a coked out drug addict ran you down with his car while you were in mortal sin.
Not necessarily. God gives us every chance to repent before we die, whether it’s as that car is heading right towards us, or a church with confession open on the way there.
 
@Fauken

Before we die, of course, but if you die suddenly repentance is not possible. At least if the traditional understanding of death is true which i don’t believe it is.
 
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@Fauken

Before we die, of course, but if you die suddenly repentance is not possible. At least if the traditional understanding of death is true which i don’t believe it is.
Again, we are given every chance. Even if we die “suddenly”. How that works, I admit, I don’t know, but God would not be merciful if such a chance was not extended either way.
 
@Fauken

Well, your view is quite different from the traditional understanding.

Let me quote Saint Faustina which i think was spot on on the subject

“I often attend upon the dying and through entreaties obtain for them trust in God’s mercy, and I implore God for an abundance of divine grace, which is always victorious. God’s mercy sometimes touches the sinner at the last moment in a wondrous and mysterious way. Outwardly, it seems as if everything were lost, but it is not so. The soul, illumined by a ray of God’s powerful final grace, turns to God in the last moment with such a power of love that, in an instant, it receives from God forgiveness of sin and punishment, while outwardly it shows no sign either of repentance or of contrition, because souls [at that stage] no longer react to external things.
Oh, how beyond comprehension is God’s mercy! Although a person is at the point of death, the merciful God gives the soul that interior vivid moment, so that if the soul is willing, it has the possibility of returning to God."(Diary 1698)

I think that this solves many problems. Of course if someone refuses even this Grace he would be justly condemned, but the “classical” understanding of mortal sin has always bothered me and as you said “God would not be merciful if such a chance was not extended either way“.

But then we have Saint Alphonsus who believe that God condemned some 12 years old to eternal death after their first sin, so i can understand why some horrific views became so widespread in the past.
 
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@Fauken

Of course On the Number of Sins Beyond Which God Pardons No More - Sermon by St. Alphonsus

“ Nor can we demand from God a reason why He pardons one a hundred sins, and takes others out of life and sends them to Hell, after three or four sins. By His Prophet Amos, God has said: “For three crimes of Damascus, and for four, I will not convert it” – 1:3. In this we must adore the judgments of God, and say with the Apostle: “O the depth of the riches, of the wisdom, and of the knowledge of God! How incomprehensible are His judgments” – Rom. 11:33. He who receives pardon, says St. Augustine, is pardoned through the pure mercy of God; and they who are chastised, are justly punished. How many has God sent to Hell for the first offense? St. Gregory relates, that a child of five years, who had arrived at the use of reason, for having uttered a blasphemy, was seized by the Devil and carried to Hell. The divine Mother revealed to that great servant of God, Benedicta of Florence, that a boy of twelve years was damned after the first sin. Another boy of eight years died after his first sin, and was lost. “
 
Why is it that one sermon from St. Alphonsus gets marked as the traditional understanding, but one quote from St. Faustina becomes the new non-traditional one? From that same St. Alphonsus:
“From all this can you now have any doubt that God wishes to save you? From this moment onward never dare to utter again: ’ wonder does God wish to save me. Maybe He wishes to see me damned on account of the sins I have committed against Him.’ Get rid of all such thoughts, once and for all, since you must now realize that God is helping you with His graces and calling you insistently to love Him.
And from that sermon:
God is ready to heal those who sincerely wish to amend their lives, but cannot take pity on the obstinate sinner. The Lord pardons sins, but He cannot pardon those who are determined to offend Him.
St. Alphonsus Liguori is a Doctor of the Church, but he does not decide doctrine nor how mercy works. If anything it looks like that sermon was about obstinate unrepentance and not God trying to hit us while we’re down.
 
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We all share the same human nature.
If the damned cannot receive back their bodies how can the just?
Why should the just keep suffering for the unjust eternally?
 
The reason as to why there is the second Final Judgement is primarily because then we truly see how Just God is. Our personal judgement after our deaths is just that, personal.

It’s private.

The final Judgment of both the saved and the damned is for all creation to see how Just our God is.
 
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