Why does God want us to suffer?

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If loving God is supposed to make us happy. I never feel happy. I never feel like anything I do is enough. There is so so much for me to change. I know I should not feel sorry for myself, sulk. There is never an excuse for sin. I sin almost everyday. I try hard not. It is difficult maturing. It embarasses me for others people, this just so easy. It is not easy for me to mature. I do not want to suffer. I do not know why I have to. The easy thing if your religion does not make you happy, then quit it. But that is wrong. Is it okay to take time off from God and see the world for myself? I understand mortal sins are wrong. Somethings I just do not understand. Thinking bad thoughts? Foul language? When I become angry I slip sometimes. Should i never ever feel happy? Should I always feel guilty and unworthy? I spend one day looking at every little bad thing I did wrong or mistake. No justification for sin. There are worse things I could do than having bad thoughts. I did not commit murder, I do not steal. He seems impossible to please.
 
Here is a very beautiful book that you might consider reading: archive.org/stream/lovepeaceandjoya00prevuoft#page/n3/mode/2up (‘Love, Peace and Joy: A Month of the Sacred Heart According to St. Gertrude’)

God does not want us to be unhappy. We were made for beautitude. The cross is designed to detach us from all that is not God. Dom Vital Lehodey says something very profound: “In truth, we have need of suffering to purify, to detach, and to adorn our souls, and thereby to prepare them for union with God. We need it further to foster this union, to prevent its loss, and to bring it to perfection. The ardours of love alone would not suffice for these ends. And the reason is: because love does not live exclusively on what it receives. Rather it lives much more on what it gives: sacrifice is always its best ailment.”

St. Therese: “Life is often irksome and bitter; it is hard to begin a laborious day, above all when Jesus hides Himself from us. What is this tender Friend doing? Does He not then see our anguish, the load that oppresses us; where is He? Why does He not come to console us? Ah, fear not … He is there, quite near! He is watching us; He, it is, who begs for these our labors and our tears … He has need of them for souls, for our soul; He wants to give us so glorious a recompense. Ah! Truly, it costs Him to make us drink of this bitter cup, but He knows that it is the one way by which to prepare us to know Him as He knows Himself and to become ourselves God–like.”

One day St. Gertrude asked Our Lord why He allowed her to be afflicted by certain people. He replied: “When a father desires to punish his child, the rod can make no resistance to his hand. It is therefore My will that My elect shall never lay the blame on men for their trials, but that they shall rather consider My fatherly affection, which would never suffer the slightest breath of wind contrary to them if I had not in view the eternal salvation which they should receive in reward. Considering this, they should rather have compassion on those who, while contributing to their virtue, incur guilt for their own selves.”

We please God most when we believe in His love. Then He is free to act, so to speak. Whatever we possess that makes us pleasing to Him is a gift from Him.
 
It is good to recognize that we have a fallen nature and that we can do nothing without our Lord.

There is temptation to become discouraged and feel down about ourselves because of that.

Instead, rejoice in our nothingness and rely on the Lord for everything!

We can do spiritual reading, talk to a holy priest, pray daily whether we feel like it or not.

Find like-minded Catholics, find a spiritual director, etc.

Don’t give up…the Lord loves you unconditionally, and can bring you, one step at a time, closer and closer to Him. We need to ask and receive, over and over again.

May the Lord bless you on your spiritual journey…

Allow our Blessed Mother to take you by the hand.
 
If loving God is supposed to make us happy. I never feel happy. I never feel like anything I do is enough. There is so so much for me to change. I know I should not feel sorry for myself, sulk. There is never an excuse for sin. I sin almost everyday. I try hard not. It is difficult maturing. It embarasses me for others people, this just so easy. It is not easy for me to mature. I do not want to suffer. I do not know why I have to. The easy thing if your religion does not make you happy, then quit it. But that is wrong. Is it okay to take time off from God and see the world for myself? I understand mortal sins are wrong. Somethings I just do not understand. Thinking bad thoughts? Foul language? When I become angry I slip sometimes. Should i never ever feel happy? Should I always feel guilty and unworthy? I spend one day looking at every little bad thing I did wrong or mistake. No justification for sin. There are worse things I could do than having bad thoughts. I did not commit murder, I do not steal. He seems impossible to please.
Would you like to be joyful?
St James wrote: Consider it Joy (rejoice / be happy) when you are tested.
And how are you tested? He wrote: We are tested with the Luring that happens within us, the thoughts we have of how to fulfill our desires. Our desires are GOOD. But they are there for two reasons: First, to be a controlled testing ground for us so that we can grow in perseverance in rejecting the luring to fulfill the desires ourselves. Second, our desires are part of us because they are the place, the time, to remember that all good comes down from our Father from above. Adam and Eve did not remember God saying you may eat of all these other trees (fulfilling desire), but instead they listened to the luring of the thoughts “the fruit of this other tree seemed desirable to make one wise”.

So, when you find yourself desiring, it is time to stop, and say, “Father, I desire (the actual thing you desire, not the solution you imagined to satisfy the desire) - I am awaiting the good you will send to me”. Then rejoice at this momentary success that he gives you.

I said, “The actual thing you desire, not the solution you imagined to satisfy your desire” - some people pray to win the lottery, but that is a solution they imagined for a desire. What was the actual desire? Probably a desire to live without anxiety. or even prior to that. The idea of the lottery came about in the luring and enticing we all get in our imaginations when we desire something. St. James is calling us, you and me, to stop look and listen - stop imagining when you realize you are doing it, look at what you really desire, and then pray for that to your Father, from whom all good comes, and listen for him.

All the “sins” happen when you carry out the imaginations for fulfilling the actual desires, because your desires were not put in you for you to fulfill yourself, but for you to turn to your Provider and to rejoice in His provisions.

John Martin
 
From a Letter of Saint Raymond of Penyafort (1175-1275)
Your purity of life, your devotion, deserve and call for a reward; because you are acceptable and pleasing to God your purity of life must be made purer still, by frequent buffetings, until you attain perfect sincerity of heart. If from time to time you feel the sword falling on you with double or treble force, this also should be seen as sheer joy and the mark of love.
Here’s what the saints said about suffering:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=542373

Peace,
John Marie Philomena
 
If loving God is supposed to make us happy. I never feel happy. I never feel like anything I do is enough. There is so so much for me to change. I know I should not feel sorry for myself, sulk. There is never an excuse for sin. I sin almost everyday. I try hard not. It is difficult maturing. It embarasses me for others people, this just so easy. It is not easy for me to mature. I do not want to suffer. I do not know why I have to. The easy thing if your religion does not make you happy, then quit it. But that is wrong. Is it okay to take time off from God and see the world for myself? I understand mortal sins are wrong. Somethings I just do not understand. Thinking bad thoughts? Foul language? When I become angry I slip sometimes. Should i never ever feel happy? Should I always feel guilty and unworthy? I spend one day looking at every little bad thing I did wrong or mistake. No justification for sin. There are worse things I could do than having bad thoughts. I did not commit murder, I do not steal. He seems impossible to please.
Stop thinking so much about morality. What do you like to do? What do you enjoy? What makes you happy? Answer those questions, and maybe I can give you some guidance.

Obsessing about morality is what the devil wants you to do. Obsessing about morality is like playing a football game with the single focus of not committing a penalty. Sure, you can do it, but you won’t enjoy the game.
 
It embarasses me for others people, this just so easy. It is not easy for me to mature. .
We never know how easy or difficult anything is for others. We also don’t know the condition of their hearts and whether or not they have some unseen sin.

I’ve always thought of suffering God calling us back to him because people tend to seek him out when they’re in distress. For instance, I just went to church this morning for the first time in a while. I suppose that I’d still suffer if I was an awesome Catholic, but at least I’d be better prepared to deal with it. I’d probably be more apt to see it as a growth opportunity.

God bless you. May he provide you with strength and may be guide you back to him. In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen.
 
If loving God is supposed to make us happy. I never feel happy. I never feel like anything I do is enough.
Why is this? Why do you feel that you never do enough?
There is so so much for me to change.
We all face this. We can only do this “one day at a time”.
I know I should not feel sorry for myself, sulk.
Correct - you should not. The fact that you do points to an improper focus and emphasis in your spiritual life.
There is never an excuse for sin.
This is not true…There is very often an excuse for sin. Usually the excuse (reason) is that we are weak and trying to do our best…but we are weak.
I sin almost everyday. I try hard not. It is difficult maturing. It embarasses me for others people, this just so easy.
Me too…but I try to focus less on the sin (repent it and move on) and more on agape which is the sure path to God.
It is not easy for me to mature.
Welcome to reality. It is never easy to mature…It takes a lifetime to mature spiritually…there is always more to do.
I do not want to suffer. I do not know why I have to.
Everything worthwhile requires discipline. It requires sacrifice and effort. Many times these things are equated to suffering…which is fine…but the thing to do is recognize that it is less about suffering and more about discipline and effort geared toward growth.
The easy thing if your religion does not make you happy, then quit it. But that is wrong.
Whoa - here - - - Let’s break this down just a bit. What do you mean by quit your religion?
Surely one should not leave the Church, but within the Church are many spiritual paths, many disciplines etc. If your current path is not working then change it. Speak with your confessor about these things. Maybe go on a retreat. Maybe get involved in volunteer work. Pray on this matter.
Is it okay to take time off from God and see the world for myself?
Again - this depends on what you mean by this. It is not OK to “take time off from God” for we should never wish to be parted from Him, yet there are many ways to be “with Him”.
It is perfectly OK for you to go out and see the world…but to do so without God by your side is extremely dangerous. (been there done that:blush:)
Again - I think that this gets back to the idea of changing your approach and focus on these matters and a good confessor / Spiritual director can help tremendously.
I understand mortal sins are wrong. Somethings I just do not understand. Thinking bad thoughts? Foul language? When I become angry I slip sometimes.
Yes we all slip up. Yes we all struggle to understand things…It takes time.
Should i never ever feel happy? Should I always feel guilty and unworthy? I spend one day looking at every little bad thing I did wrong or mistake. No justification for sin.
Of course you should feel happy…that fact that you do not is a very clear sign that you need a new focus. You are currently too focused on the “rules” and seeing God as “judge”. This leads to the very problems you are experiencing. You need to refocus on Love, Agape, and on God as a Loving Father who sees your struggles and wants to help you.
There are worse things I could do than having bad thoughts. I did not commit murder, I do not steal.
Exactly - this is a good approach. This helps one to balance one’s outlook. It doesn’t justify the sins we DO commit, but it places them in a proper perspective and allows us to praise God and thank him for the grace to NOT commit more grave sins - and also to praise Him for the grace he gives us every time we resist a small sin.
He seems impossible to please.
What makes you believe that He is not already pleased with you? He has given you this day. He has given you a good heart that wants to do His will. He has given you talents that you can use to glorify Him and help to promote the Kingdom in this world.
Focus on the joy of praise, on the gift of forgiveness, on the opportunity to serve him every day - even if just in small ways. Yes you will fall again and again…that is to be expected. Satan counts on it so that he can whisper in your ear that you are “unworthy”…POPPYCOCK…We are all worthy. So when you fall, do not listen to the devil. Turn back to the Lord who IS Love.

Peace
James
 
If loving God is supposed to make us happy. I never feel happy. I never feel like anything I do is enough. There is so so much for me to change. I know I should not feel sorry for myself, sulk. There is never an excuse for sin. I sin almost everyday. I try hard not. It is difficult maturing. It embarasses me for others people, this just so easy. It is not easy for me to mature. I do not want to suffer. I do not know why I have to. The easy thing if your religion does not make you happy, then quit it. But that is wrong. Is it okay to take time off from God and see the world for myself? I understand mortal sins are wrong. Somethings I just do not understand. Thinking bad thoughts? Foul language? When I become angry I slip sometimes. Should i never ever feel happy? Should I always feel guilty and unworthy? I spend one day looking at every little bad thing I did wrong or mistake. No justification for sin. There are worse things I could do than having bad thoughts. I did not commit murder, I do not steal. He seems impossible to please.
The reason we are to try to control our thoughts is because first comes a thought…to kill someone, then bad words to put him down, curse, or threaten him, then comes physical violence that could end up in murder. If you want to break this cycle, you need to start at the root, the thoughts.

Many a violent act has come first by angry words in an argument. This cursing and swearing hurts people, is a bad habit, bad example to others around us.

If you want to resolve something, cursing and swearing is about the worst possible thing you can do.

We need to learn how to negotiate. Do skilled negotiators and mediators who want to resolve a conflict start cursing and swearing? No. Why not? It doesn’t work, only serves to further escalate tensions.

Learn diplomacy. Look for other ways to channel any anger, etc. There is exercise, sports, relaxation techniques, all manner of things.

One can also use that anger in some positive way.

It upsets me there aren’t ramps I’d like in Mexico for my wheelchair. Instead of cursing and swearing, I do something about it. I write the City. In some cases, that has actually worked. When it doesn’t, I take it to the next level, INCODIS, which does a formal petition, acts like my advocate.

I don’t bother cursing and swearing. I look for positive ways to handle my anger and frustration. When I can resolve something, have to accept it, I listen to music or read, talk to a friend, play chess, go out, to try to handle my anger in a positive way.

Our suffering can have purpose. I’ve suffered a lot in Mexico not having access to services, but I’ve tried to use that to make a difference, not only for myself, but for others with disabilities.

I channel my anger to use that energy for other things, and at least sometimes, it’s actually worked.

When I can’t change anything, I offer my suffering in reparation for sins, mine and those of others.

It is through suffering that we are perfection. “When the sun is always shining, there is a desert below. It’s the rain that makes love grow”.

Someone who has never suffered is often quite selfish, shallow, immature. Suffering helps us to become stronger in so many ways. It is sort of like steel, tempered by fire.

Think of rich kids who have never known want. Some are spoiled. I sometimes think they’d be helped by a trip to the Third World.

If used positively, suffering can help us become better people.
 
I am a volunteer in Mexico at a Blind Association and another place that works with disabilities.

The coordinator of the Blind Association is blind. His wife has a visual impairment as do both of his sons. The other founder is completely blind.

Anyway, the coordinator plays probably 10 musical instruments, performs with other blind people.

His sons have been going to the university. Despite having 4 people in that family mostly blind, he has been able to establlish the Blind Association, which will celebrate its 20th anniversary.

People come even from out of state to it.

Had he had his vision, he might have lived just a normal life. Now, he has these unbelievable accomplishments.

I think he’s a stronger person for it. Life dealt him these difficulties, and he made lemonade with all the lemons.

At both places I volunteer, my supervisors are blind. Yet, they teach, are married, have children. They are an inspiration. Had they had their vision, they would never have had this opportunity to overcome it in grand style.

I use a wheelchair, and I think some have found inspiration watching me. I’ve worked part time as an interpreter. I’ve taught. People have told me they’ve watched me, and they say if I can do it with these challenges, they can do …x, y, and z.
 
Suffering gives us a unique opportunity to manifest virtue and love that wouldn’t be possible without it.
 
Also, without any suffering, life would be boring. If everything was easy, no villains, it’d be like a boring movie, no challenges to overcome.
 
If loving God is supposed to make us happy. I never feel happy. I never feel like anything I do is enough. There is so so much for me to change. I know I should not feel sorry for myself, sulk. There is never an excuse for sin. I sin almost everyday. I try hard not. It is difficult maturing. It embarasses me for others people, this just so easy. It is not easy for me to mature. I do not want to suffer. I do not know why I have to. The easy thing if your religion does not make you happy, then quit it. But that is wrong. Is it okay to take time off from God and see the world for myself? I understand mortal sins are wrong. Somethings I just do not understand. Thinking bad thoughts? Foul language? When I become angry I slip sometimes. Should i never ever feel happy? Should I always feel guilty and unworthy? I spend one day looking at every little bad thing I did wrong or mistake. No justification for sin. There are worse things I could do than having bad thoughts. I did not commit murder, I do not steal. He seems impossible to please.
You appear to be experiencing symptoms that are preventing from feeling any joy. This is not part of God’s will.

I would recommend speaking with a doctor or counselor to rule out any physical causes for your distress. Speaking with your priest about the nature of sin may also help you better understand what God “wants” of you.

Know that no matter you feel, God loves you more than you could ever know. It is difficult when you cannot feel this love, but that is why I encourage you to seek help.
 
First, God does not want us to suffer. We suffer because of the effects of sin and our sinful nature.

Second, if we choose to follow Jesus, then we should expect to suffer. Jesus, who was sinless suffered for us so we could be with God again, once we die and as long as we are in His Grace. Those who choose to follow Jesus know that suffering is part of the journey. We know that we can offer this suffering to God for our own and others salvation.

The basic and most important part of life’s journey is the goal of salvation, not a trouble free life, the career we want, the children we want or marriage, becoming a priest or famous artist or musician. Salvation should be the primary focus of our life and our relationship with Christ. The circumstances through which that can occur best should be left to God.

Refocus your thoughts about what you think life is about and why. This will lessen your tendency to think you are getting it all wrong, or that God somehow likes our suffering. It will also help you mature in a more solid and spiritual way. Don’t try to avoid the inconveniences of life or suffering. That is an impossible task that will do nothing for you and make you more miserable.

Study the life of Jesus and try to be more like Him.
 
Why does God want us to suffer?
God doesn’t want us to suffer. We brought that on ourselves in the fall. God though - in his mercy - suffered with us and for us in his incarnation and Passion, and he blesses us when we unite our suffering to his own on the cross.

And remember…
*"he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away.”
  • Rev. 21:4*
 
Can we truly know joy, peace, love without ever having experienced its opposites? Well, those things are relative. Can you know joy without having known sorrow? Can you know peace without ever having experienced conflict?

It’s sort of like trying to know what “hot” is without ever having experienced cold.

Perhaps, it also gives us a greater appreciation when we finally do experience love, peace, and joy after knowing its absence.
 
God does not want us to suffer but He knows that we need to suffer because it purifies us and sanctifies us when patiently borne. It also gives us a means to atone for our sins and to gain merit for heaven. It also gives others opportunities to exercise charity. If we only knew the value of suffering we’d want to suffer more in this life. God bless you.
 
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