Why does Islam move people away from Christ?

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Why do you want to move people away from Christ?

Why do they claim that their prophet is better than Jesus, when Jesus clearly said otherwise?
 
Why do you want to move people away from Christ?

Why do they claim that their prophet is better than Jesus, when Jesus clearly said otherwise?
Really, Islam brings people into worship and servitude of God, and away from slavery to human beings.
 
Really, Islam brings people into worship and servitude of God, and away from slavery to human beings.
IOW, Muslims deny that Allah would become incarnate. So by “slavery to a human being” Amy means Christianity. Muslims do consider themselves to be slaves of Allah (the word Muslim meaning “one who submits,”) so the choice she poses is between slavery and slavery…

Of course what Christianity really offers is a familial relationship with God, as opposed to one of slavery.
 
Islam brings people into slavery to the abstraction of Muhammad and away from the personal relationship with God experienced in Christianity as God willed it be through the incarnation.

Islam is the rigidity of the Pharisees, the hatred of Iconoclasm, the heresy of Arianism, and the political brutality and absolutism of Fascism, wrapped in a beautiful package of supplications and holiness. Take off the bow and open the package, and you will find that its contents are rotten. It is a vile, unholy rejection of reality that holds as absolutely inviolable its own superiority over any and all forces in existence that might stand up and say “no, I am following a different way that I see as better”. The very idea that anything should present itself in that way is the height of blasphemy to Islam, which equates the mere existence of Christians and other non-Islamic religions or ways of living with a rejection of God.

That is why, OP. Anything that a Muslim might tell you otherwise is only so much cosmetic paint over the rotting corpses of Muhammad and his ‘sahaba’ (followers) and the ‘rightly guided caliphs’ and the war ideology of the ‘fatuhat’ (Islamic conquests) that should have died with them but continues on to this day unabated because Muslims have successfully rewritten history on the backs of the conquered Assyrians, Copts, Maronites, Ethiopians, Palestinian Christians, etc. and no nice and fluffy secular democracy and hippie relativism gives a damn about it. In another 100, 200 or however many years, our descendants may not remember that anyone but Muslims ever existed.

God have mercy. (That’s the true God manifest in Jesus Christ, not Islam’s Allah.)
 
Really, Islam brings people into worship and servitude of God, and away from slavery to human beings.
But what about Jews and Christians they certainly believe they worship God yet they are persecuted in the name of islam. Take the case of Asia Bibi, she denies the the blasphemy accusation and feel that she is being persecuted for her faith. All she did was fetch some water. Then an argument ensued among muslim women over whether or not it was lawful to drink the water. They accused Bibi of blasphmey, now there’s clerics who put a bounty on her. Some came out on the behalf of Bibi, long story short Maulana Yousef Qureshi said* “No president, no parliament and no government has any right to interfere in the commandants of Islam. Islamic punishment will be implemented at all costs,” * Recently the Pope asked Pakistan to repeal the blasphemy laws, because they are used as a means for persecution of Christians. Last Friday there was a resolution passed against the Pope what that entails, and what I’ve read they want to do is absolutely horrible. Shame on those clerics and imams for calling for those things. I do not see islam bringing people to worship of God, especially if certain muslims want to persecute Bibi Asia and the Pope. Honestly, who worship God and does His will than a mother? especially a mother of five like Bibi Asia?

From 1530 to 1780 about 1.25 million Europeans were kidnapped and enslaved by muslims. “Historians estimate … between 11 and 18 million black African slaves crossed the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara Desert between the Muslim conquests in the 7th century and 1900.” It is a well document fact by the U.S.State Dept. that muslim countries in Mideast, Africa lead world in Human Trafficking. I don’t see islam ending slavery either.
 
Islam is the rigidity of the Pharisees, the hatred of Iconoclasm, the heresy of Arianism, and the political brutality and absolutism of Fascism, wrapped in a beautiful package of supplications and holiness. Take off the bow and open the package, and you will find that its contents are rotten. It is a vile, unholy rejection of reality that holds as absolutely inviolable its own superiority over any and all forces in existence that might stand up and say “no, I am following a different way that I see as better”.
http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon14.gif That is the best definition I’ve read so far…
 
Islam brings people into slavery to the abstraction of Muhammad and away from the personal relationship with God experienced in Christianity as God willed it be through the incarnation.

Islam is the rigidity of the Pharisees, the hatred of Iconoclasm, the heresy of Arianism, and the political brutality and absolutism of Fascism, wrapped in a beautiful package of supplications and holiness. Take off the bow and open the package, and you will find that its contents are rotten. It is a vile, unholy rejection of reality that holds as absolutely inviolable its own superiority over any and all forces in existence that might stand up and say “no, I am following a different way that I see as better”. The very idea that anything should present itself in that way is the height of blasphemy to Islam, which equates the mere existence of Christians and other non-Islamic religions or ways of living with a rejection of God.

That is why, OP. Anything that a Muslim might tell you otherwise is only so much cosmetic paint over the rotting corpses of Muhammad and his ‘sahaba’ (followers) and the ‘rightly guided caliphs’ and the war ideology of the ‘fatuhat’ (Islamic conquests) that should have died with them but continues on to this day unabated because Muslims have successfully rewritten history on the backs of the conquered Assyrians, Copts, Maronites, Ethiopians, Palestinian Christians, etc. and no nice and fluffy secular democracy and hippie relativism gives a damn about it. In another 100, 200 or however many years, our descendants may not remember that anyone but Muslims ever existed.

God have mercy. (That’s the true God manifest in Jesus Christ, not Islam’s Allah.)
The literary beauty of this post is amazing. I think it is a miracle. 👍 😉
 
Islam like the most of Christianity is a Pagan system of literature worship. It leads people from christ just the same as the vast mojority of Christianity in that it promotes the idolatry of literature.
 
The other aspect that Islam leads people away from Christ is exactly what Peter did when he said that the Son of Man should not die. Jesus reprimanded him and said, ‘Satan, get away from me’.

People come to Christ in his death and resurrection because through this that the invitation to the Holy Eucharist is founded. Through Jesus death and resurrection, there is salvation. The Gospel asks us to believe in this so that we can be saved.

The main message of Islam is contradicting this very core of who Jesus is and what his mission was. Without believing in Jesus in the context of the Gospel we are actually rejecting Jesus. This is what Islam does.

The only Being that has an interest in denying Jesus death is the Evil One because Jesus is the road to salvation and Jesus is victorious in that; and only the Evil One wants to stop that. No other parties have an interest in stopping the salvation of Jesus except for the Evil One.

Leading people away from Jesus is not leading them away from Jesus as a human being but away from who Jesus really is and what his mission really was. By denying this truth a person can only reject Jesus. This probably is the single most destructive message that Islam brings – that is to try to undo what God has done.
 
Islam like the most of Christianity is a Pagan system of literature worship. It leads people from christ just the same as the vast mojority of Christianity in that it promotes the idolatry of literature.
When you speak of “literature worship” I assume you are referencing the Holy Scriptures? Do not Orthodox Christians believe that the Bible is the infallible, inspired Word of God? This is not just a protestant doctrine, this is a Catholic doctrine, too! But this is not “the idolatry of literature.” Even amongst my protestant friends they would tell you they do not worship the Bible (Bibliolatry). They uphold it as the only True Source of Truth (obviously something we Catholics and Orthodox do not adhere to, because it negates Traditon) but this is not making the Bible an idol. You go on to say that the scriptures lead “people from Christ…” The scriptures do not lead one away from Christ, but towards him. Faith comes by hearing, says Paul. And hearing by the Word of God.* (Romans 10.17) Maybe I am misunderstanding your post. Please clarify if I am in error. Thank you. Mike
  • I should note that other ancient authorities insert “Christ” instead of “God” in the passage quoted above.
 
Though I can’t really vouch for him, there are times when Christians treat the Bible as such that it has become an idol and not words of God. In that sense , if that’s his intent, he is right. We do not worship the Bible but the way we treat it can be seen as worship and therefore idolatry. I am sure Christians will deny this, but taking it into the extreme that scenario holds true nevertheless. As for Catholics and maybe Orthodox, the opposite can happen though as things go now, they certainly are catching up that hopefully one would see an average Catholic should be quite familiar with his Bible.
 
The only Being that has an interest in denying Jesus death is the Evil One because Jesus is the road to salvation and Jesus is victorious in that; and only the Evil One wants to stop that. No other parties have an interest in stopping the salvation of Jesus except for the Evil One.
That always reminds me of (Genesis 3:4):
““You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.”

The same concept applies here:
“Jesus certainly did not crucify”, the serpent said to the Muslims.
 
I know Sam. That’s what makes it so dangerous – its subtle deception. We all recognize straight forward lies but when they are laced with half truth then there is no way of being truly very sure. We can only depend on our unwavering belief that we have that’s passed to us by thousand of generations of our fore parents in the faith before us.

The Evil One is not ignorant. He knows who God is and who Jesus is – in one episode he acknowledged that Jesus is God and asked him to cast it into the swine.

What he did in his trickery is to mix the truth with his own lies. You have given a good example in Genesis. He did not say it was not God but he said, “really? No, you won’t die; you can eat it …(paraphrased). “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” You see, he added a lie of his own - that’s how he works, a sort of Modus Operandi.

Similarly in the Quran – Jesus is born of a virgin, a good man and a prophet. He will come back at the end of days. He did not die (sic, and has been in heaven for the last two thousand years). From that description alone, how could Jesus be a human but never mind, even Adam was made from dust, conveniently forgetting the fact that Jesus could not die and come back at the end of the world. But the most important aspect of Jesus’ mission – being a Messiah and to die and rise again, this the Evil One has to deny at all cost. He even redefines the term Messiah (personally I think he is silent on this contented on leaving Muslims as confused as it is to decide on what the term actually means).

So it all self-explained but somehow we sometimes may not see it.
 
I have a theory on this, see what you think:

Without immanence, without essence, God, totally transcendent, becomes unknowable. This form of religiosity is limited to obeying God rather than knowledge of Him, thus: “Islam leads to Agnosticism”. In such a system, God is named from His effects, but he is not to be identified with any of them; God’s relationship with the ultimate cause (God) and His creatures is extrinsic, not intrinsic. Thus God is called good because He causes good and not because He is good.

We can trace, in history, the pattern of this trend to agnosticism when we study the most primitive peoples of Africa, America, the islands of the Pacific Ocean, India and China. Here we see an almost universal belief in an almighty, all-good creator god who is primarily manifest in the infinite dimensions of the sky. The utter transcendence of such a deity is uncomfortable and often people consider themselves unworthy of the attention of such a being. Thus this deity is rarely called upon in prayer and is not the centre of a sacrificial cult. Ultimately, this deity is seen as too aloof or irrelevant and is therefore replaced by, or transformed into a more immanent anthropomorphic god, responsive to human needs, manipulable through sacred rights, and even guilty of human faults and crimes. Yet they now lack the transcendence of the heavenly god they replace, they are no longer almighty and all good and their power is limited by other gods and by the human faults and crimes they display.

It is against this backdrop the God of Israel reveals Himself as transcendent, almighty Creator, all holy and all good, yet despite this transcendence, He does not withdraw, nor does He yield His place to other gods. This is, in many ways, the great mystery of the Judeo/Christian tradition. The God who is wholly other than all else and who transcends time and history, in various ways acts in time and history in relation to the Hebrew people. He reveals His presence and the fact that He is active in their midst. He called the Hebrews, through Abraham, to be His own people so that He would be their God. To Moses He revealed His very name. He saved the them from slavery in Egypt, in doing so, revealing that He was their All Holy Saviour. He made a covenant with them and procured for them the Promised Land. In the Temple in Jerusalem, He dwelt in their midst. Despite the infidelities of His people He draws increasingly nearer to them, eventually becoming Emmanuel, “God With Us”, in the Incarnation. In this way God’s transcendence is transformed from apparent aloofness, remoteness and irrelevance into

…the almighty power of divine love that bridges the chasm between Creator and creature, God and humankind, without confusing their distinct identities.

An identification of the divine with the whole or with a part of finite reality inevitable results in a loss of the transcendence of the divine and a loss of a distinct reality and value for the finite world. This can be evidenced in religions which remove the divinity completely from the realm of speech, imagination and comprehension; Zen Buddhism’s unspeakable experience of satori, the identification of the universal Buddha nature with every human being and everything in this world in Mahayana Buddhism, or the fact that our world has no reality of its own, rather it is the merely the external form of the incomprehensible and ineffable Brahman flowing out into our world, according to a major trend of Hindu thought.

The full force and magnitude of the Christian dogma of the Incarnation is amplified when considered in the context of this background. Jesus Christ becomes man by a union of a human nature to Himself, not by any abolition of the metaphysical distinction between divine and human natures. The Incarnation heralds a new era of immanence where the truth of the hypostatic union becomes intelligible as the necessary metaphysical presupposition for God’s acceptance of ultimate solidarity with sinful humankind. Thus we can see an essential connection between the Incarnation and salvation history.
 
I’m not sure what this question is supposed to mean. Islam is an idea, not an entity with a goal. Is the question, what was the goal of the first Muslims? Why does Muslim theology believe what it does? Why do individual Muslims believe it?

People are Muslims rather than Christians because they think Islam is true, and Christianity isn’t. This often hinges on aspects of Christianity which have historically been a problem for many groups - the Trinity and the Incarnation. The Jews and the Neoplatonist pagans also rejected these ideas, I suspect for much the same reasons.

I also would say that some people may well be better off Muslim than what they were before, which was nothing. So in that case, Islam would actually bring them closer to God - as in at least acknowledging his existence. And of course many people simply accept the religion they are raised with, whatever that is. Some people think this is laudable for Catholics but not for Muslims, which I find a bit :confused: (My own view is that although accepting the wisdom and authority of our parents and elders has value, if we can do better than that in our religious life we should. Some are not in a position to do so.)

As for what Mohammad was thinking, I think it is impossible to say. As a Christian, I don’t think he was visited by an angel, and I am not inclined to think he was a nutter.
 
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I have a theory on this, see what you think:

Without immanence, without essence, God, totally transcendent, becomes unknowable. This form of religiosity is limited to obeying God rather than knowledge of Him, thus: “Islam leads to Agnosticism”. In such a system, God is named from His effects, but he is not to be identified with any of them; God’s relationship with the ultimate cause (God) and His creatures is extrinsic, not intrinsic. Thus God is called good because He causes good and not because He is good.

We can trace, in history, the pattern of this trend to agnosticism when we study the most primitive peoples of Africa, America, the islands of the Pacific Ocean, India and China. Here we see an almost universal belief in an almighty, all-good creator god who is primarily manifest in the infinite dimensions of the sky. The utter transcendence of such a deity is uncomfortable and often people consider themselves unworthy of the attention of such a being. Thus this deity is rarely called upon in prayer and is not the centre of a sacrificial cult. Ultimately, this deity is seen as too aloof or irrelevant and is therefore replaced by, or transformed into a more immanent anthropomorphic god, responsive to human needs, manipulable through sacred rights, and even guilty of human faults and crimes. Yet they now lack the transcendence of the heavenly god they replace, they are no longer almighty and all good and their power is limited by other gods and by the human faults and crimes they display.

It is against this backdrop the God of Israel reveals Himself as transcendent, almighty Creator, all holy and all good, yet despite this transcendence, He does not withdraw, nor does He yield His place to other gods. This is, in many ways, the great mystery of the Judeo/Christian tradition. The God who is wholly other than all else and who transcends time and history, in various ways acts in time and history in relation to the Hebrew people. He reveals His presence and the fact that He is active in their midst. He called the Hebrews, through Abraham, to be His own people so that He would be their God. To Moses He revealed His very name. He saved the them from slavery in Egypt, in doing so, revealing that He was their All Holy Saviour. He made a covenant with them and procured for them the Promised Land. In the Temple in Jerusalem, He dwelt in their midst. Despite the infidelities of His people He draws increasingly nearer to them, eventually becoming Emmanuel, “God With Us”, in the Incarnation. In this way God’s transcendence is transformed from apparent aloofness, remoteness and irrelevance into

…the almighty power of divine love that bridges the chasm between Creator and creature, God and humankind, without confusing their distinct identities.

An identification of the divine with the whole or with a part of finite reality inevitable results in a loss of the transcendence of the divine and a loss of a distinct reality and value for the finite world. This can be evidenced in religions which remove the divinity completely from the realm of speech, imagination and comprehension; Zen Buddhism’s unspeakable experience of satori, the identification of the universal Buddha nature with every human being and everything in this world in Mahayana Buddhism, or the fact that our world has no reality of its own, rather it is the merely the external form of the incomprehensible and ineffable Brahman flowing out into our world, according to a major trend of Hindu thought.

The full force and magnitude of the Christian dogma of the Incarnation is amplified when considered in the context of this background. Jesus Christ becomes man by a union of a human nature to Himself, not by any abolition of the metaphysical distinction between divine and human natures. The Incarnation heralds a new era of immanence where the truth of the hypostatic union becomes intelligible as the necessary metaphysical presupposition for God’s acceptance of ultimate solidarity with sinful humankind. Thus we can see an essential connection between the Incarnation and salvation history.
Thank you very much. It is very well written with finesse and eloquence. It is having such poster like this in CAF that can make you proud to be a Christian knowing that amongst our midst there is someone who can articulate with clarity our faith that’s very often seems not within the reach of lesser souls to expound.

The knowledge that God can be with us makes Christianity stands out from among all the religions in that her God is experienced intrinsically and not extrinsic, to quote your words. Lesser religions would cringe to think that an almighty God could be reduced to mere human to be touched and eaten. New Agers would go into the extreme and take the position that everyone and everything is God while the majority other religions consider God as aloof and lack the transcendence of the heavenly god that they like to think of. This result in them unable to reason out that God can be human and yet be God.

God bless.
 
And to pray to Mohammed. Who, by the way, is not Jesus, the Son of God.
Muslims DON’T pray to mohammed. mohammed is a prophet. nothing more. in islam, muslims only pray to God. if you know something diffrent, then please inform me.
 
Why do you want to move people away from Christ?

Why do they claim that their prophet is better than Jesus, when Jesus clearly said otherwise?
I don’t think ALL muslims think this way. most that i know don’t and think that christianity’s pretty cool. And, from the muslims I met, they don’t believe mohammed’s better.
 
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