Why does one hate the Catholic Church?

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I do not believe that only the Catholic religion contains the truth, to the exclusion of all other protestant and non-Catholic denominations, but I do believe that the Catholic religion contains the highest degree of truth compared with other religions.
This is biggest factor that comes into play in religion. I have never heard from any other Church much more complete and truthful interpretations then that of the Catholic Church. I think that if a protestant came to a Catholic Church for a year, they would have heard things that their own preachers would have never been able to explain. I don’t think that anyone should let there biases about the Catholic Church stand in the way of attending a mass and hearing the bible passages as they were meant to have been heard.
 
Never a mention about intercessory prayer to Our Lady or the Holy Saints? This is extremely unusual for a Catholic Church. :hmmm:
Let me rephrase that and say, that it is not frequent enough for me to remember the last time it was mentioned. I’m sure at some point the priest mentioned it, but it’s not like some protestants think that it is forced on us. Because the priest would be doing so out of love of the congregation he would never tell us that we have to, only that the more people praying for something the better.
 
I think alot of the blame is traced to certain ministers who deliberately malign and mislead Catholicism to their followers.

I met two seminarians from a local bible college. They were really nice at first, but then started making remarks about my Catholicism, and then ended up saying horrible things about what people do when they are praying with beads…another two came to my house and started blaspheming the priesthood because of the highly publicized minority…5% of the priesthood bringing about 100% condemnation of the priesthood.

I think the Forum here does alot of good in working to rectify this serious problem in our country, the capital of fragmented Christianity.
 
This is biggest factor that comes into play in religion. I have never heard from any other Church much more complete and truthful interpretations then that of the Catholic Church. I think that if a protestant came to a Catholic Church for a year, they would have heard things that their own preachers would have never been able to explain. I don’t think that anyone should let there biases about the Catholic Church stand in the way of attending a mass and hearing the bible passages as they were meant to have been heard.
With respect how can you know this to be a truth unless you attend another church for a year? Are you saying that God’s Holy Spirit doesn’t use other people to preach knowledgeably who are not Catholic?

Jesus did not intend that His Spirit was confined to the four walls of a Catholic church, laying down rules and regulations. He said to Peter, ‘Follow Me!’ Discipleship is humility, humility is recognising the worth of even the lowest and least of human beings.

How often have your feet been washed ?

God bless
 
They do not think you do these works to get closer to Christ.

They think – wrongly – that you do these things to merit salvation.
Catholics do NOT believe that works merit salvation. The only reason we would do something is to help others, or to do Gods will. Whoever said otherwise is either lying or profoundly misinformed. We just don’t believe that a faith that is ‘alone’ is not the faith that is sufficient. Faith without works is dead, according to Saint James ( in the bible ).
 
With respect how can you know this to be a truth unless you attend another church for a year? Are you saying that God’s Holy Spirit doesn’t use other people to preach knowledgeably who are not Catholic?

Jesus did not intend that His Spirit was confined to the four walls of a Catholic church, laying down rules and regulations. He said to Peter, ‘Follow Me!’ Discipleship is humility, humility is recognising the worth of even the lowest and least of human beings.

How often have your feet been washed ?

God bless
A beautiful post. I agree. Where 2 or 3 are gathered I am in your midst. God bless.
 
I think alot of the blame is traced to certain ministers who deliberately malign and mislead Catholicism to their followers.

I met two seminarians from a local bible college. They were really nice at first, but then started making remarks about my Catholicism, and then ended up saying horrible things about what people do when they are praying with beads…another two came to my house and started blaspheming the priesthood because of the highly publicized minority…5% of the priesthood bringing about 100% condemnation of the priesthood.

I think the Forum here does alot of good in working to rectify this serious problem in our country, the capital of fragmented Christianity.
Ah, little do they know what great graces they can gain by praying the rosary. The rosary is indeed one of the most tender devotions of the Catholic faith.
 
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As a convert, I would like to say that I never thought I would become Catholic. The Catholics that I knew were “nominal” Catholics. They were NOT practicing their faith. They really didn’t understand the faith nor were they able to explain what Catholics really believe. I think we have too many Catholics that are not well-catechized. Non-Catholics tend to learn Catholicism from Non-Catholics. That is where they get their misunderstandings of Catholicism. When I hear that an EX-Catholic said they did not have a personal relationship with the Lord, I often wonder if that person really understood the concept of the Real Presence of Christ in the sacraments…Good grief! how much more personal a relationship can you get with our Lord than to be able to take him into your body and become one with Him…EVERY single day! Now that is a real personal relationship with Christ~

The other thing I wonder is why do EX-Catholics turned Protestant speak so negatively about the Catholic church? You don’t really hear Converts speak negatively about their former Protestant church. I have always been extremely grateful for my Methodist upbringing. I simply took what I learned from the Methodist Church and brought it with me to the Catholic Church.

You provided a good example of how non-Catholics get their misunderstandings. We don’t always explain our faith clearly…we do not worship Mary…we venerate her…we HONOR her because of her unique role in our salvation history. Her YES to God’s bold invitation undid the NO of EVE. We are NOT a faith of rules, rules, rules…unless you count the 10 commandments…then I guess, maybe we are~

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We ARE saved…we are BEING saved…and we WILL be saved…

CC
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the reason is because when protestants convert to the CC, they dont hear negatives stuff against protestants. the reason Catholics become antiCatholic is due to negative talks from protestants against the CC. they believe and become one with them…
 
With respect how can you know this to be a truth unless you attend another church for a year? Are you saying that God’s Holy Spirit doesn’t use other people to preach knowledgeably who are not Catholic?

Jesus did not intend that His Spirit was confined to the four walls of a Catholic church, laying down rules and regulations. He said to Peter, ‘Follow Me!’ Discipleship is humility, humility is recognising the worth of even the lowest and least of human beings.

How often have your feet been washed ?

God bless
He did with the Jews. remember His chosen people? so it is with His Church. He found it and remains with her until the ends of time. but this doesnt stop people from reading the Bible and claim what they want for themselves. God did not give to them, they just took it.
 
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the reason is because when protestants convert to the CC, they dont hear negatives stuff against protestants. the reason Catholics become antiCatholic is due to negative talks from protestants against the CC. they believe and become one with them…
they don’t? :hmmm:
 
He did with the Jews. remember His chosen people? so it is with His Church. He found it and remains with her until the ends of time. but this doesnt stop people from reading the Bible and claim what they want for themselves. God did not give to them, they just took it.
So only Jews who don’t believe Christ Lord and Catholics are His people?
 
I know no one who hates the Catholic Church. I think people hate something they are affraid of, or perhaps affraid of joining. Oddly, many fervent Catholic apologists have come from the ranks of fervent anti-Catholic protestantism.
 
I know no one who hates the Catholic Church. I think people hate something they are affraid of, or perhaps affraid of joining. Oddly, many fervent Catholic apologists have come from the ranks of fervent anti-Catholic protestantism.
the kind of work that only God can do. it is the same Christ who changed St Paul when he was persecuting the early Christians. He became a fervent defender of the Faith. Blessed be God and His Catholic Church.
 
I know no one who hates the Catholic Church. I think people hate something they are affraid of, or perhaps affraid of joining. Oddly, many fervent Catholic apologists have come from the ranks of fervent anti-Catholic protestantism.
Scott Hahn, for but one example.
 
With respect how can you know this to be a truth unless you attend another church for a year? Are you saying that God’s Holy Spirit doesn’t use other people to preach knowledgeably who are not Catholic?

Jesus did not intend that His Spirit was confined to the four walls of a Catholic church, laying down rules and regulations. He said to Peter, ‘Follow Me!’ Discipleship is humility, humility is recognising the worth of even the lowest and least of human beings.

How often have your feet been washed ?

God bless
No, i’m saying that you will not get an incomplete translation in my Church. I have been to other Churches that preach on tithing and the Pastors were just giving they’re own explanations. The the same sermon preached at my CC and the priest actually described why tithing is not something that is required and provided proof in the bible. The priest wasn’t saying… I think this means this, like the other Preachers were doing.

And if the protestants left Peter, how are they still following Gods will?
 
He did with the Jews. remember His chosen people? so it is with His Church. He found it and remains with her until the ends of time. but this doesnt stop people from reading the Bible and claim what they want for themselves. God did not give to them, they just took it.
On that premise, only Jews could become Christians as it was to Peter Jesus said “If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me.”

He also said

"If, I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet. "

Am I to assume that you do not feel fit to do this or have it done to you? If you are a part of ‘Peter’s’ church, then Jesus wants you to let Him wash your feet.

You can be cleansed of sin through repentance, but watch where your feet tread, we walk in and out of other people’s lives as well as through our own !

God bless
 
There is soooooo much wrong with this that my response would be many times longer just to correct it. Brother/Sister, I say this with as much love and charity as a man can muster. Please Please Please, go to your Parish Priest and ask him to explain what is wrong with your statement. I am a cradle Catholic and was not served well in terms of my formative education in the Church, however, I have taken the time and effort to understand the teachings of the Catholic Church. Your explanations are precisely why other Christian faiths are able to sway some Catholics away from the Church. If you truly try to learn the faith properly you will answer your own questions. From my perspective and of some theologians I have researched, if a Catholic does not believe in the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, he/she is not Catholic at all. That is the foundation of the faith believed by all of the Church fathers all the way back to the Apostles and Christ Himself. Please learn your faith, you are missing so much.
Amen a very good post
 
No, i’m saying that you will not get an incomplete translation in my Church. I have been to other Churches that preach on tithing and the Pastors were just giving they’re own explanations. The the same sermon preached at my CC and the priest actually described why tithing is not something that is required and provided proof in the bible. The priest wasn’t saying… I think this means this, like the other Preachers were doing.

And if the protestants left Peter, how are they still following Gods will?
I suspect that your priest was explaining how tithing is overridden by the fact that in love we should respond with our whole lives to Christ, He has after all died for us. Which of course is a million % more than a small tithe. We also do not tithe because they have been taught that we are not under the law, but under grace.

In prayer, through Christ, we should hear and respond to the needs of the church and others. If a child needs a plate of food then they need more than a spoonful, they may need feeding for many years to come. If a mother needs clothes for her children, she needs more than a pair of socks and so forth. If your church needs upkeep the costs of doing so may be a huge sacrifice. If someone thirsts for justice it may require your time, or ultimately your life.

As Mathew 23;23 says “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.”

Tithing can also lead to materialism…Yet the most important blesses the least, not amass their wealth. It can lead to a attitude of, I give this much, so I can keep the rest…if I give X amount I will be rewarded so many times more. It also leads to failure because it can become like a failed Lenten fast, where we could become mortified with ourselves if we let The Lord down.

Abram’s tithe in Genesis 14 was spontaneous in the presence of Melchizedek’s blessing. Although it was 10%, the point was that it was not a sacrifice carefully planned out, but one of spontaneity in the presence of God. A gift of love and obedience. We are not told if it meets the high priests needs, but as I have said, that’s not the point. It’s clear that God can lay claim to any wealth that He needs, even if we don’t respond to Him, and this is no different today.

No one really leaves the church if they are in Christ, Jesus is not nailed to the cross any more, His Holy Spirit is free to move amongst us. His church spans the world now, it’s dynamic and diverse, and the many parts have many different functions. As He says if the church is destroyed, He can raise it again in three days. This is a testament to the power of His Holy Spirit, not the will of Peter; that’s because His Holy Spirit is within us. Peter is only the nature which you build yourself on because he is like a rock. You have to build on a rock because the Devil will succeed against you otherwise.

Look at people around you who root themselves firmly in their faith in Christ. These are Peter, human in nature, wise to their failings, saved by Christ, living in Grace and prepared to sacrifice their life. Do you understand what is rock now?

God bless.
 
On that premise, only Jews could become Christians as it was to Peter Jesus said “If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me.”

He also said

"If, I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet. "

Am I to assume that you do not feel fit to do this or have it done to you? If you are a part of ‘Peter’s’ church, then Jesus wants you to let Him wash your feet.

You can be cleansed of sin through repentance, but watch where your feet tread, we walk in and out of other people’s lives as well as through our own !

God bless
excellent post :clapping: God bless you too.
 
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