Why does one hate the Catholic Church?

[Cinette]

Well; you certainly can’t say this about me. I have been here for 4 years, and have always been happy to let it be known that I am a Seventh-day Adventist. I am over-joyed at the ways God has led me into His Remnant Church; and at the many ways Adventists have taught me about Jesus.

This thread is supposed to be about “Why do people hate the Catholic Church:” and to me, the very question itself is quite misleading. Adventist leaders and laypeople alike have always taught me to not look down on Catholics, no matter how false I believe some of their teachings to be. To me; it is not right to label people as “hating” based only on their differences of belief.

While someone could always point out some Protestant who does seem to hate Catholics; it is equally easy to point out Catholics who certainly seem to hate Protestants.

In my case; I have chose to use the name “Protestant101” not as a veil, but as a challenge, of sorts, to the many other Protestants who visit this board. Many Protestants today really should not use the term because they are more Catholic than anything else. That doesn’t mean I think they are not true Christians; it is just a statement or matter of fact.

Hello Protestant101 - Happy Easter - Christ is Risen Alleluia!

I might have met Protestants who hate Catholics but they were silent about it. I do get funny looks sometimes when I say I am Catholic.

However I was amazed when I read Karl Keating’s book “Fundamentalism and Catholicism” (I think that is the correct name of the book but can’t find it on my huge bookshelves!! - bad filer!) to learn that there are many many books written by Protestants/Fundamentalists who have spread huge lies about the Catholic Church. On the other hand I doubt very much that you would find a book written by a Catholic propagating hatred against non-Catholics. There are books on apologetics which explain the Catholic faith and answer questions on misconceptions Protestants have about the Church but no lies…

Cinette

 

[Cinette]

Basically you are saying that you are unable to trust God. That He is not able to work through fallible persons to preserve His eternal truth. You are saying that your ideas are of better quality than those persons appointed by God.

If you cannot trust God to preserve His Truth through fallible men, then why does that principle not apply to yourself?

Why are you more righteous to have authority over you than the shepherds God appointed?

One of the things I pondered about in amazement this Easter is the fact that despite witnessing Jesus’ divinity at the Transfiguration Peter went on to deny Jesus THREE times. And yet Jesus still chose Peter as the rock upon which he built His Church making him his representative here on earth.

We in the Church are all fallible human beings and we live in a world that has gone crazy where the culture of sex is everywhere - in our face morning noon and night! temptations are everywhere. Many women joined the “boob brigade” and one sees boobs wobbling everywhere (not all women! thank goodness).

This Easter I thought of all the good and holy priests we have in the Church. I think we have more clergy than any Christian denomination - we operate in Parishes and don’t have mega franchise churches. Our priests are exposed to many temptations and I wouldn’t be surprised if women throw themselves at them also.

We Catholics have been wounded by the sex abuse scandal and our faith is being tested. Some of us will leave the Church - like abandoning the Apostles because of Judas!! There are Judases everywhere - the devil is working overtime right in our pews. It is for us to get to know our Faith really well and develop a personal relationship with God through prayer and grace so that we will be fully equipped to discern and identify those who are traitors among us.

Although we are hurting right now I hope that the Church will purge its structures so that it can cleanse itself and have a new heart and ensure that such abuse never, never occurs again. The Church has fought heresay throughout the ages and continually reformed itself - it is the role of the Church to fight the good fight and ensure that good overcomes evil

We should ALWAYS pray for our beloved priests. They are our shepherds and they need grace and strength.

God bless you all
Cinette

 

[Cinette]

Guan, we were taking about how Baptism incorporates one into the Church and no sin can erase this as the catechism teaches so a person may be considered Catholic. Not about apostacy.

I believe Christians repent in various ways. Some to God directly. Some confess to one another as James taught. Some do confession to a priest.

We will have to agree to disagree if you honestly don’t believe Christians who profess Christ Lord and Savior are no longer Christians in Christ.

God bless you Guan with a Happy Easter.

You do not know the difference between the Sacrament of Confesssion and confessing to a friend and you are Catholic? How long have you been Catholic?

Read the Catechism.

Cinette

 

[Cinette]

Good point. Then for the Lord Himself, I’m a sheep! But for mere men, sorry - I’m a man.

Ironically, it was what I saw on this forum which led to my falling away.

For many years I had considered myself a Catholic but had not practiced, so I came here to learn more and, I hoped, renew my faith. But what I found instead was a harsh, almost smug judgmentalism, a “One True Church” triumphalism, and “traditionalist” rantings about Vatican II being the root of just about all that’s evil in today’s world.

That, in turn, led me to question the foundations of my faith, and to finally conclude that I simply don’t believe many of the basic tenets of the Catholic faith.

God gave you free will - you can choose good or evil…

We Catholics are not perfect - we are the largest and oldest Christian Church - we have the most saints and the most sinners; in fact, we are ALL sinners. If you are going to reject Peter because of Judas that is your right to choose - it is nevertheless unfortunate.

You need to pray for discernment.

God bless you
Cinette

 

[CMatt25]

You do not know the difference between the Sacrament of Confesssion and confessing to a friend and you are Catholic? How long have you been Catholic?

Read the Catechism.

Cinette

Who said I didn’t know the difference? I said Christians repent their sins in various ways. Some confess to a priest, some to each other, some to God directly, some even do a combo. And they do. You might not agree they are receiving forgiveness but that’s how various Christians do their repentance.

How long? Over half a century.

 

[CMatt25]

Ironically, it was what I saw on this forum which led to my falling away.

For many years I had considered myself a Catholic but had not practiced, so I came here to learn more and, I hoped, renew my faith. But what I found instead was a harsh, almost smug judgmentalism, a “One True Church” triumphalism, and “traditionalist” rantings about Vatican II being the root of just about all that’s evil in today’s world.

I find it very sad a forum supposedly to draw us closer, played a role in leading one further away. But I understand. If we open our hearts to God’s Spirit He will lead us to where he wants us to be. God bless you Ted as you journey with Him! Peace.

 

[CMatt25]

God gave you free will - you can choose good or evil…

We Catholics are not perfect - we are the largest and oldest Christian Church - we have the most saints and the most sinners; in fact, we are ALL sinners. If you are going to reject Peter because of Judas that is your right to choose - it is nevertheless unfortunate.

You need to pray for discernment.

God bless you
Cinette

I know this was directed to Ted. But Peter was a sinner too. I’d be more concerned about rejecting God if I were him.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I know this was directed to Ted. But Peter was a sinner too. I’d be more concerned about rejecting God if I were him.

According to John, Christ appeared to Peter before His ascension and asked Him three times to ‘feed His sheep/lambs’. Then He told Peter, ‘Follow thou me.’ It sounds as if God forgave Peter for ‘denying’ Him. Denying is not the same as rejecting.

 

[jesuspsr]

The Church should change so that YOU won’t feel stifled? This is about the most arrogant statement I’ve read on this thread.
God should change for YOU? People must change for God - NOT the other way around.

The current scandal has nothing** to do with whether or not the Catholic Church
The church should change so that people like youis God’s only Church - it IS. Unfortunately, there are some unholy individuals that have done some evil things within the Church. That doesn’t negate the fact that Jesus only set up ONE Church - ONLY one - and we can trace ourselves all the way back to Peter and the Apostles.

As for those who pick and choose what they want to believe in and call themselves "Catholic" - they ARE Cafeteria Catholics. They are a cancer to those who are honestly searching for the truth.

You seem to be full of relativist notions about what the Church is - and you’re dead wrong. The truth is not up for grabs - it IS what it IS and Jesus’ Church is the “pillar and foundation of that truth” (1 Tim. 3:15).
Everything else apart from the truth is a lie.

Not you or any other sect can claim this but the Church - not even the Scriptures themselves. Thy were born* from* the Church.

Very well said my friend:thumbsup:

 

[Cinette]

 

[CMatt25]

According to John, Christ appeared to Peter before His ascension and asked Him three times to ‘feed His sheep/lambs’. Then He told Peter, ‘Follow thou me.’ It sounds as if God forgave Peter for ‘denying’ Him. Denying is not the same as rejecting.

I didn’t say it was. Cinnette told Ted it would be unfortunate for him to reject Peter because of Judas. I merely said Peter sinned too so if I were Ted I might be more concerned about rejecting God than I would be about rejecting Peter. Yes our Lord asked Peter if he loved Him 3 times and Peter kept answering yes. So God forgave him.

 

[schaick]

We also know He was a ‘light’, a ‘door’ and a ‘cornerstone’, among other things. This does not take away from the fact that He renamed Simon Bar-Jona to ‘rock’, Cephas in Aramaic and Petros in Greek, both translated to Peter in English. To leave this out, has appearances of only using certain passages to fit a theology.

Still not sure what you are gettng at - leaving out what and when?

Jesus uses the example that Peter is a moveable rock/stone, the Church Jesus is building is on an immoveable stone.

The immovable rock/stone is the truth Peter uttered.

Now this doesn’t take away the fact that Jesus did in fact pass the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven on to the Disciples.

Yet, all historic studies until this ‘cool’ article have shown otherwise. Even those who had disputes place the writings at a later date than the death and resurrection. This has an appearance of fitting history to a theology.

LOL!! People thought the earth was flat until a “cool” study showed it wasn’t.

Why didn’t you provide the source for the ‘cool’ article?

I did.

A good example of ‘evidence’ that hasn’t changed anything. I’m sure you noticed that article was two years old?

Your point? It may take years to prove.

We know Christ chose and appointed ‘men’ over His Church. We also know He taught the people to observe and do whatsover those who sat in the seat of authority told them to do. We also know Paul wrote to ‘obey your prelates’.

What ever the men said, IF it jived with GOD’s Law.

Your comment almost seems like a ‘veiled’ attempt at accusing the early Church, that has survived to present day of being a cult. It’s sad that anyone would think such a thing about such a Church, especially in light of that Church preserving scriptures for us to have in our hands today. How can anyone distrust that Church, that had every opportunity to make changes in scriptures, through the mulitple copying and translations, and place all trust in the scriptures over the Church? People will say, because God can protect His written word. But, those same people doubt God’s ability to protect His ‘oral’ tradition, which was the only tradition used by Jesus, or protect His Church, which was built by Jesus. There seems to be no logic in that thinking, at least in my honest opinion.

You mis-understand. Very early on there were cults arising that were in danger of changing the truth that was left with the Disciples. Jesus’ teachings and statements of faith needed to be put in writting to guard against the truth being twisted.

The above quote would confirm one faith, of the same mind and judgment, all of the same accord, as written by Paul.

Yes one faith, one TRUTH about who Jesus is and how we can build a relationship with GOD and seek our salvation.

FYI all- I finally understand it. See the thread on Sacred Traditions. I understand what the Sacred Tradition for Catholics is, why it isn’t based on Scripture and why Catholics hold it** equal **with Scripture.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Still not sure what you are gettng at - leaving out what and when?

Jesus uses the example that Peter is a moveable rock/stone, the Church Jesus is building is on an immoveable stone.

The immovable rock/stone is the truth Peter uttered.

Now this doesn’t take away the fact that Jesus did in fact pass the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven on to the Disciples.

You are trying to apply literal and metaphorical to fit a theology. Yes, Peter was mobile, His office that he was chose and appointed too was not. The Apostles were the foundation. Christ told about the wiseman that built his house on rock, and of the man that built his house on sand. Which foundation would Christ choose to build His house?

**Eph 2:20 Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone: **

Christ spoke to Peter and Peter alone when He told him He would give him the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. He gave all the Apostles the authority to bind and loose, first to Peter alone and including the keys, secondly to all the Apostles, together.

There’s not way to read the keys went to all of them without reading something ‘speculative’ into the passage.

LOL!! People thought the earth was flat until a “cool” study showed it wasn’t.

Did Christ think the world was flat?

Your point? It may take years to prove.

When the dead sea scrolls were discovered, there were those who thought, 'now, we will show the errors of the Bible, tradtion and even Christianity itself. There were alot of commentaries at the time of the discovery. Since, we’ve heard nothing. There doesn’t seem to be as much publicity on the fact that the scrolls actually supported all.

There are atheists who think that with time and technology religion, or the existence of God, will be proven false.

We have documentation of Christianty since the beginning, yet it seems some are waiting for a modern day proof to change what was since the beginning. Then the modern day proof will have to be based on modern day opinions or speculations.

What ever the men said, IF it jived with GOD’s Law.

Christ taught the people to do WHATSOEVER they shall say to you.

You mis-understand. Very early on there were cults arising that were in danger of changing the truth that was left with the Disciples. Jesus’ teachings and statements of faith needed to be put in writting to guard against the truth being twisted.

It seems you’re trying to insinuate that those ‘cults’ prevailed over Christ’s Church, leaving hundreds of years of generations without the truth. I have more faith in the power of Christ than to believe He would allow that to happen. The ‘cult of the Nazarene’ won out and existed since the beginning unto present time.

Yes one faith, one TRUTH about who Jesus is and how we can build a relationship with GOD and seek our salvation.

FYI all- I finally understand it. See the thread on Sacred Traditions. I understand what the Sacred Tradition for Catholics is, why it isn’t based on Scripture and why Catholics hold it** equal **with Scripture.

Catholics have a relationship with God and seek salvation, according to those things He gave us; His Church, His traditions, and His scriptures.

Christ gave us a Church, which the authoritative men of that Church wrote the scriptures and preserved them for us to have today, through the Apostolic succession. Those scriptures teach us to hold to the traditions WHETHER by word or epistle.

 

[Roy5]

Okay. Very few Christians of other denominations hate the Catholic Church. Those who hate Catholicism are likely to hate Christianity. They are. in the main, atheists like Hitchens, some Jews who continue to dwell on anti-Semitism within Christianity over the centuries, some Jehovah Witnesses and sundry others.

  Evangelical Protestants disagree with Catholicism because they find that Catholicism depends a lot on traditions that are not substantiated in scripture. Take the doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption, for example. Where are they found in the Bible? These doctrines developed out of non-Biblical roots. The Bible doesn't even mention the names of Mary's parents, and certainly doesn't present her as being born without sin and remaining sinless throughout her life. "All have sinned..." we read in scripture. And where in the Bible is the Assumption supported? Why, in all of the epistles of St. Paul, is Mary never mentioned if she is to be venerated in the church? If one believes that the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit one can accept such unBiblical teachings. But others will have a problem.

  When it comes to mainstream Protestants, they are usually much less orthodox in their beliefs, often doubters who look to Jesus mainly as the teacher extraordinare, the man sent from God to teach us about righteous living. Their main emphasis is on loving God and loving one another. They tend to regard both Catholicism and Protestant fundamentalism as archaic, movements that hold up doctrines and traditions from ancient times that simply cannot be believed today. They reject the basic foundation of the Catholic Church as medieval - the Pope and the hierarchy - along with transubstantiation, what they regard as excessive Mariology, etc. They view Catholicism as an amalgam of Greco-Roman paganism (e. g., emphasis on praying to saints), the mystery religions (e.g., transubstantiation), and various liturgical and ethical aspects of Judaism. Generally mainstream Protestants are more tolerant of others faiths, including Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc., because they tend to reject the idea that there is one true and apostolic church. They are somewhat agnostic in the sense that many believe that finite man isn't in a position to really understand the massive and mysterious universe.

God bless people of every faith, color, nation, gender and economic and educational status. "What does the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with thy God." I believe this summary is found in the Bible - at two places if I recall correctly.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Okay. Very few Christians of other denominations hate the Catholic Church. Those who hate Catholicism are likely to hate Christianity. They are. in the main, atheists like Hitchens, some Jews who continue to dwell on anti-Semitism within Christianity over the centuries, some Jehovah Witnesses and sundry others.

Do you think those ‘anti-Catholic’ websites, claiming to be representation of different Christian groups could be considered as ‘hating Catholisim’?

  Evangelical Protestants disagree with Catholicism because they find that Catholicism depends a lot on traditions that are not substantiated in scripture. Take the doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption, for example. Where are they found in the Bible? These doctrines developed out of non-Biblical roots. The Bible doesn't even mention the names of Mary's parents, and certainly doesn't present her as being born without sin and remaining sinless throughout her life. "All have sinned..." we read in scripture. And where in the Bible is the Assumption supported? Why, in all of the epistles of St. Paul, is Mary never mentioned if she is to be venerated in the church? If one believes that the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit one can accept such unBiblical teachings. But others will have a problem.

The two specific Catholic traditions you mentioned have scriptural roots in interpretation.

Mary was highly favored by God, full of grace, blessed, etc. We know the intricacies of the ark of the covenant and apply those to the ark of the new and everlasting covenant.

Clearly scriptures give examples of people being taken to heaven; Elijah and Enoch. Those were from the Old Testament. With the traditions and scriptures, one has to understand the Catholic belief has possibilities, at the very least.

The Bible says ‘all have sinned’, and it appears you have taken it literaly to apply to everyone, including Mary. Scriptures also tell us to sell all we have and give it to the poor, then follow Him. Why isn’t this as literal? Scriptures tell us to ‘pluck out an offending eye’, why not literal?

Because there is a difference of interpretation, does not give the absolutes some Christians place upon Catholicism.

You ask for ‘whys’ when something is not specifically explained in scriptures, yet scriptures do not state they are the ‘final authority’ and the teachings seem to be against individuals privately interpretating scriptures. Why can we assume the Bible to be the final authority, when it’s not in scriptures? Why can we practice private interpretation, when it’s spoken against in scriptures?

There seems to be a double-standard that some Christians hold Catholicism too, yet they can’t see that.

 

[tomylee1]

i am not hate.

 

[schaick]

“Did Christ think the world was flat?”

Oh my goodness.

Ridiculing/Attacking everthing- this was meant to be an example that people have learned things over the ages. I was simply trying to give an example of cool new discoveries. As soon as discovered they are not always accepted by man, sometimes it takes awhile.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

“Did Christ think the world was flat?”

Oh my goodness.

Ridiculing/Attacking everthing- this was meant to be an example that people have learned things over the ages. I was simply trying to give an example of cool new discoveries. As soon as discovered they are not always accepted by man, sometimes it takes awhile.

And after a couple of years, when nothing can be established, we hear nothing similar to an admission of error…

 

[schaick]

You are trying to apply literal and metaphorical to fit a theology. Yes, Peter was mobile, His office that he was chose and appointed too was not. The Apostles were the foundation. Christ told about the wiseman that built his house on rock, and of the man that built his house on sand. Which foundation would Christ choose to build His house?

The answer to that is exactly what you need to consider.

Matthew 7
24"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.

Matthew 21
42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
" ‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?
43"Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.”
45When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

1 Corinthians 3
11For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 10
4and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

Romans 9
33As it is written:
“See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall,
and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”

1 Peter 2
4As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him— 5you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For in Scripture it says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.” 7Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,
“The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone,” 8and,
“A stone that causes men to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall.” They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.

Deuteronomy 32
4 He is the Rock, his works are perfect,
and all his ways are just.
A faithful God who does no wrong,
upright and just is he.
…
18 You deserted the Rock, who fathered you;
you forgot the God who gave you birth.
…
31 For their rock is not like our Rock,
as even our enemies concede.
Psalm 18
31 For who is God besides the LORD ?
And who is the Rock except our God?

Psalm 31
2 Turn your ear to me,
come quickly to my rescue;
be my rock of refuge,
a strong fortress to save me.
3 Since you are my rock and my fortress,
for the sake of your name lead and guide me.

Psalm 62
6 He alone is my rock and my salvation;
he is my fortress, I will not be shaken.
7 My salvation and my honor depend on God;
he is my mighty rock, my refuge.
8 Trust in him at all times, O people;
pour out your hearts to him,
for God is our refuge.

Psalm 78
35 They remembered that God was their Rock,
that God Most High was their Redeemer

Psalm 92
15 proclaiming, “The LORD is upright;
he is my Rock, and there is no wickedness in him.”

Psalm 94
22 But the LORD has become my fortress,
and my God the rock in whom I take refuge.

Isaiah 28
16 So this is what the Sovereign LORD says:
"See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a tested stone,
a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation;
the one who trusts will never be dismayed.

2 Samuel 22
2 He said:
"The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer;

Look what the Apostle taught the TRUTH that is the foundation:
Ephesians 2
19Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

The answer to that is exactly what you need to consider.

Matthew 7
24"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.

Matthew 21
42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
" ‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?
43"Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.”
45When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

1 Corinthians 3
11For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 10
4and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

Romans 9
33As it is written:
“See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall,
and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”

1 Peter 2
4As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him— 5you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For in Scripture it says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.” 7Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,
“The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone,” 8and,
“A stone that causes men to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall.” They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.

Deuteronomy 32
4 He is the Rock, his works are perfect,
and all his ways are just.
A faithful God who does no wrong,
upright and just is he.
…
18 You deserted the Rock, who fathered you;
you forgot the God who gave you birth.
…
31 For their rock is not like our Rock,
as even our enemies concede.
Psalm 18
31 For who is God besides the LORD ?
And who is the Rock except our God?

Psalm 31
2 Turn your ear to me,
come quickly to my rescue;
be my rock of refuge,
a strong fortress to save me.
3 Since you are my rock and my fortress,
for the sake of your name lead and guide me.

Psalm 62
6 He alone is my rock and my salvation;
he is my fortress, I will not be shaken.
7 My salvation and my honor depend on God;
he is my mighty rock, my refuge.
8 Trust in him at all times, O people;
pour out your hearts to him,
for God is our refuge.

Psalm 78
35 They remembered that God was their Rock,
that God Most High was their Redeemer

Psalm 92
15 proclaiming, “The LORD is upright;
he is my Rock, and there is no wickedness in him.”

Psalm 94
22 But the LORD has become my fortress,
and my God the rock in whom I take refuge.

Isaiah 28
16 So this is what the Sovereign LORD says:
"See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a tested stone,
a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation;
the one who trusts will never be dismayed.

2 Samuel 22
2 He said:
"The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer;

Look what the Apostle taught the TRUTH that is the foundation:
Ephesians 2
19Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

None of this takes away from the words Christ clearly spoke to Peter, when He defined Peter’s name change.

You show a passage that states the Apostles are the foundation, then you try to read ‘it’s the truth the Apostles taught’ that is the foundation. It’s a straightforward read and I don’t have to add to it, as it appears you have done. One is fitting scriptures to a theology and I prefer to fit a theology to scriptures.