Why does this seem to happen to Catholics who become involved in SJ issues?

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I was hoping someone here could help me come to an understanding.
As I’ve seen the SJ movement grow, I’ve noticed certain patterns emerging. Maybe these aren’t the norm but this is what I’ve noticed here:

I have seen people who were once very orthodox, faithful, Catholics turn into very “progressive” Catholics after going through Just Faith.

The issues that take center stage with them are global warming, anti-war efforts, and a preference for eastern-type spirituality such as the enneagram, labyrinth, etc.

I see very little of what I would consider the core social justice issues of abortion, embryonic stem cell reserach, and gay marraige being discussed or fought against. Why are these so often excluded from sj agendas?

They tend to put down our country, saying how we have bullied the world and our people and we need to make retribution for our past sins.

The “social justice” mentality takes over the parish, to the extent that every bible study, men’s group, women’s group - even RCIA - is focused on teaching about social justice and doing service work.

Has anyone else noticed this trend, or is my expereince unique?
 
Quite simply, the devil is a VERY good liar.

What you are speaking of was the death of mainline protestantism. The ‘social gospel’ they called it. What happens in these communities is that working to overcome human suffering here on earth becomes a substitute for listening to and conforming our own souls to Christ.

It’s very seductive because in almost every case, these groups claim that human suffering in the world is the result of oppression by THEM. The THEM in question takes a variety of forms, usually actual oppressors guilty of injustices. What is very dangerous here is that such thinking tends to neglect the concept of original sin. In other words, suffering in the world is a result of US, OUR sins.

How nice it would be if we could fix the world by throwing off the oppressors. Unfortunately, you can’t. You just create a new oppressor. The only solution is to submit to God, humbly confess OUR sinfulness and beg for the Grace to be more. That includes social justice action, but is not dominated by it. The dominating factor of life in Christ is that WE are transformed by Grace from sinners (call it oppressors if you want to) into saints. In every example Jesus called people to make individual efforts of love for other human beings. It’s interesting to note that Jesus in the gospels never calls for the creation of programs and institutions that conduct care for others. It is in the PERSONAL love/charity expressed between humans that both the giver and the receiver encounter Jesus. Perhaps no oppressor at the time was worse than the Roman Empire. See Jesus preaching against them much? Nope, the indirect route was the path Jesus took to address that and it WORKED.

In short, it’s spiritual pride and some laziness. Far easier to shout SHAME on THEM than to admit our own failures and sinfulness and ask for the Grace to overcome them.
 
I was hoping someone here could help me come to an understanding.
As I’ve seen the SJ movement grow, I’ve noticed certain patterns emerging. Maybe these aren’t the norm but this is what I’ve noticed here:

I have seen people who were once very orthodox, faithful, Catholics turn into very “progressive” Catholics after going through Just Faith.

The issues that take center stage with them are global warming, anti-war efforts, and a preference for eastern-type spirituality such as the enneagram, labyrinth, etc.

I see very little of what I would consider the core social justice issues of abortion, embryonic stem cell reserach, and gay marraige being discussed or fought against. Why are these so often excluded from sj agendas?

They tend to put down our country, saying how we have bullied the world and our people and we need to make retribution for our past sins.

The “social justice” mentality takes over the parish, to the extent that every bible study, men’s group, women’s group - even RCIA - is focused on teaching about social justice and doing service work.

Has anyone else noticed this trend, or is my expereince unique?
I am not sure what “Just Faith” is?
 
What you are speaking of was the death of mainline protestantism. The ‘social gospel’ they called it. What happens in these communities is that working to overcome human suffering here on earth becomes a substitute for listening to and conforming our own souls to Christ.
And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. And all nations shall be gathered together before him: and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.

Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in: Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry and fed thee: thirsty and gave thee drink? Or when did we see thee a stranger and took thee in? Or naked and covered thee? Or when did we see thee sick or in prison and came to thee? And the king answering shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, which was prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty and you gave me not to drink. I was a stranger and you took me not in: naked and you covered me not: sick and in prison and you did not visit me. Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to thee? Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen: I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me. And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
  • Matthew 25:31-46
rossum
 
I’m going to need to some help understanding your intent. I’ve read this. I’m not sure what you’re trying to say in response to my question.
I gave that link so you can know how the Church really dose social justice, as opposed to the experiences you’ve had 😉
 
it is not inevitable that Catholics who become involved in social justice issues also become involved in liberal politics or new age spiritualities. There is a solid core of us who are solidly orthodox even traditional in our Catholic practice and faith, and solidly behind the unbroken teaching of the popes over the last 150 years on social justice issues.

what is inevitable is that if traditional, orthodox Catholics ignore the gospel and ignore real (rather than invented) social justice issues, they will leave the field open to those who rely on liberal politics to address these issues, rather than on gospel values. While traditionalists have been wasting their time debating inconsqential issues like communion in the hand and language for Mass, they have ignored the wider debate on how to live out the gospel call without conforming to liberal political agendas. When there is a vacuum, evil will fill it.

To be Catholic is to put justice squarely in the center of faith in action.

The proof of my allegation is in the disunity and fracture within the so-called pro-life movement. Their leadership has been far more concerned with internal debate on tactics for 40 years and has ignored the wider gospel issues, and refused to cooperate and communicate. Christ called for unity in his last words before he died, and by ignoring that plea the pro-life movement continually works against itself. If we had unity all CAtholics would be on board, and the horrors of our modern culture of death would never have taken over our society.
 
And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. And all nations shall be gathered together before him: and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.

Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in: Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry and fed thee: thirsty and gave thee drink? Or when did we see thee a stranger and took thee in? Or naked and covered thee? Or when did we see thee sick or in prison and came to thee? And the king answering shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, which was prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty and you gave me not to drink. I was a stranger and you took me not in: naked and you covered me not: sick and in prison and you did not visit me. Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to thee? Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen: I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me. And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
  • Matthew 25:31-46
    rossum
Not sure if you are agreeing with me or think you are refuting me. In any case, the passage backs up exactly what I stated in my post. Jesus doesn’t say “…for I was hungry and you organized a protest against proposed cuts in the scope of the food stamp program.” He specifically called for personal giving from one person to another.

Today’s large scale social justice programs far too often neglect the direct aid from believer to needy in favor of advocacy programs for the government or NGOs to do it instead. Demonstrably NOT what Jesus asked us to do.
 
Themes of Catholic Social Teaching

The Church’s social teaching is a rich treasure of wisdom about building a just society and living lives of holiness amidst the challenges of modern society. Modern Catholic social teaching has been articulated through a tradition of papal, conciliar, and episcopal documents. The depth and richness of this tradition can be understood best through a direct reading of these documents. In these brief reflections, we highlight several of the key themes that are at the heart of our Catholic social tradition.

Life and Dignity of the Human Person
The Catholic Church proclaims that human life is sacred and that the dignity of the human person is the foundation of a moral vision for society. This belief is the foundation of all the principles of our social teaching. In our society, human life is under direct attack from abortion and euthanasia. The value of human life is being threatened by cloning, embryonic stem cell research, and the use of the death penalty. The intentional targeting of civilians in war or terrorist attacks is always wrong. Catholic teaching also calls on us to work to avoid war. Nations must protect the right to life by finding increasingly effective ways to prevent conflicts and resolve them by peaceful means. We believe that every person is precious, that people are more important than things, and that the measure of every institution is whether it threatens or enhances the life and dignity of the human person.

Call to Family, Community, and Participation
The person is not only sacred but also social. How we organize our society—in economics and politics, in law and policy—directly affects human dignity and the capacity of individuals to grow in community. Marriage and the family are the central social institutions that must be supported and strengthened, not undermined. We believe people have a right and a duty to participate in society, seeking together the common good and well-being of all, especially the poor and vulnerable.

Rights and Responsibilities
The Catholic tradition teaches that human dignity can be protected and a healthy community can be achieved only if human rights are protected and responsibilities are met. Therefore, every person has a fundamental right to life and a right to those things required for human decency. Corresponding to these rights are duties and responsibilities–to one another, to our families, and to the larger society.

Option for the Poor and Vulnerable
A basic moral test is how our most vulnerable members are faring. In a society marred by deepening divisions between rich and poor, our tradition recalls the story of the Last Judgment (Mt 25:31-46) and instructs us to put the needs of the poor and vulnerable first.

The Dignity of Work and the Rights of Workers
The economy must serve people, not the other way around. Work is more than a way to make a living; it is a form of continuing participation in God’s creation. If the dignity of work is to be protected, then the basic rights of workers must be respected–the right to productive work, to decent and fair wages, to the organization and joining of unions, to private property, and to economic initiative.

Solidarity
We are one human family whatever our national, racial, ethnic, economic, and ideological differences. We are our brothers’ and sisters’ keepers, wherever they may be. Loving our neighbor has global dimensions in a shrinking world. At the core of the virtue of solidarity is the pursuit of justice and peace. Pope Paul VI taught that “if you want peace, work for justice.”1 The Gospel calls us to be peacemakers. Our love for all our sisters and brothers demands that we promote peace in a world surrounded by violence and conflict.

Care for God’s Creation
We show our respect for the Creator by our stewardship of creation. Care for the earth is not just an Earth Day slogan, it is a requirement of our faith. We are called to protect people and the planet, living our faith in relationship with all of God’s creation. This environmental challenge has fundamental moral and ethical dimensions that cannot be ignored.

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1 Paul VI, For the Celebration of the Day Of Peace (Rome: January 1, 1972).

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it is not inevitable that Catholics who become involved in social justice issues also become involved in liberal politics or new age spiritualities. There is a solid core of us who are solidly orthodox even traditional in our Catholic practice and faith, and solidly behind the unbroken teaching of the popes over the last 150 years on social justice issues.

what is inevitable is that if traditional, orthodox Catholics ignore the gospel and ignore real (rather than invented) social justice issues, they will leave the field open to those who rely on liberal politics to address these issues, rather than on gospel values. While traditionalists have been wasting their time debating inconsqential issues like communion in the hand and language for Mass, they have ignored the wider debate on how to live out the gospel call without conforming to liberal political agendas. When there is a vacuum, evil will fill it.

To be Catholic is to put justice squarely in the center of faith in action.

The proof of my allegation is in the disunity and fracture within the so-called pro-life movement. Their leadership has been far more concerned with internal debate on tactics for 40 years and has ignored the wider gospel issues, and refused to cooperate and communicate. Christ called for unity in his last words before he died, and by ignoring that plea the pro-life movement continually works against itself. If we had unity all CAtholics would be on board, and the horrors of our modern culture of death would never have taken over our society.
Absolutely wonderful post! 👍
 
it is not inevitable that Catholics who become involved in social justice issues also become involved in liberal politics or new age spiritualities. There is a solid core of us who are solidly orthodox even traditional in our Catholic practice and faith, and solidly behind the unbroken teaching of the popes over the last 150 years on social justice issues.

what is inevitable is that if traditional, orthodox Catholics ignore the gospel and ignore real (rather than invented) social justice issues, they will leave the field open to those who rely on liberal politics to address these issues, rather than on gospel values. While traditionalists have been wasting their time debating inconsqential issues like communion in the hand and language for Mass, they have ignored the wider debate on how to live out the gospel call without conforming to liberal political agendas. When there is a vacuum, evil will fill it.

To be Catholic is to put justice squarely in the center of faith in action.

The proof of my allegation is in the disunity and fracture within the so-called pro-life movement. Their leadership has been far more concerned with internal debate on tactics for 40 years and has ignored the wider gospel issues, and refused to cooperate and communicate. Christ called for unity in his last words before he died, and by ignoring that plea the pro-life movement continually works against itself. If we had unity all CAtholics would be on board, and the horrors of our modern culture of death would never have taken over our society.
I have to say that I disagree with you. Justice is not what goes in the center of our Faith–Love (caritas, charity) is what is supposed to be there.

St Matthew 22: 36 Master, which is the greatest commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39 And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.

Unity, justice, both depend on love, not the sappy kind of love we read about in romance novels, not the weak kind of love we see when people refuse to let people know when they are doing wrong, but the kind of love that wills the good of the other person.

The problem that I see with the P&SJ folks (not every one of them, just the ones I have seen) is that they are trying to do certain things, which are the wrong things, and they are trying to do them with only human power, which is also the wrong way to go.

This is what the Devil wants us to do, to get so involved in accomplishing with our mere mortal powers that we forget about God altogether. And pride is at the root of it.

It is a lot more satisfying to our wrongful sort of pride to run around talking to influential people in the attempts to get problems solved in a hurry than it is to work with just a few people in one’s own community. It is more fun to protest the nuclear stuff coming in than it is to be a part of perpetual adoration at 3am.

Additionally, we must choose the right things to do, in the right way. The federal government taking over what ought to be local charitable efforts violates the principle of subsidiarity. Handing out money willy-nilly is enabling of bad behavior.

You mention that those who are inclined towards a traditional view of the Faith are too preoccupied with Communion in the hand and use of the vernacular. *These things are also important! *Lex orandi, lex credendi: as we pray, so we believe. The issue of how we receive the Eucharist is fundamental to what ought to be the most central aspect of our lives. When we receive on the tongue, we receive as little children and it reminds us of our relationship to God and Christ Who is feeding us with His own Body which was given up for us on the cross.

And I would like to see some documentation that traditional Catholics do not do as much for the needy as do those who are not.
 
I have the same wonder. What kind of faith we should hold onto?http://www.photosnag.com/img/4673/n09x0302vnsn/clear.gif
JustFaith is a place which sends out various courses of study, in which [p]articipants are exposed to not only a substantive and demanding course of study but are also afforded the privilege of becoming community with other participants and sharing a journey of faith and compassion that is both life-giving and challenging.

From the syllabus of one of their courses:
…tools for utilizing this social ministry coordinating team and for taking one’s compassionate concern to the parish. These tools include:
• Justice Education and Immersion Experiences
• Legislative Advocacy
• Community Organizing Concepts and Approaches …

…• Global and Domestic Solidarity Parish Committees,
• Working with the Pastor,
• Developing an Action Plan.
 
justice is charity in action
No…

Justice “is a moral quality or habit which perfects the will and inclines it to render to each and to all what belongs to them.”

Charity is “a divinely infused habit, inclining the human will to cherish God for his own sake above all things, and man for the sake of God.”

Charity is in itself action; without action, it is nothing more than a warm and fuzzy feeling. And its action may or may not render unto someone else his due, since it could include forgiving someone’s debt, or helping someone out.

By mingling the two virtues, people then put a requirement of charity on those who are not necessarily obliged to give, and a gift of charity onto to those who may not need it or for whom it may be a detriment. In the meantime, those actions which truly are just might go ignored.
 
justice is charity in action
And from Quadragesimo Anno (Pope Pius XI): Admittedly, no vicarious charity can substitute for justice which is due as an obligation and is wrongfully denied. Yet even supposing that everyone should finally receive all that is due him, the widest field of charity will always remain open.
 
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