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Struggling1
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Why does God not kill people like he did in the New Testament for holding back and lying to the church or for blasphemy? What changed?
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Mostly because of this
Mostly because of this
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Hereiam
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Depends on your definition of “kill” (or more appropriately, "death).Why does God not kill people like he did in the New Testament for holding back and lying to the church or for blasphemy? What changed?
Those He judges (not those we judge) as being guilty of blasphemy face eternal death.
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Struggling1
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Yeah but in the good book he flat out would smite people.
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Hereiam
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People died or had horrible things happen to them (and arguably at the hands of God) in both the Old and New Testament, but to show the glory of God to others…Think of the Egyptian Army dying in the Red Sea, the Egyptian First Born killed in the Passover, the Man Born Blind in John’s Gospel, and the death of Lazarus. Not all were necessarily punishment for their wrong doing, but for the opportunity to show the power and greatness of God.Yeah but in the good book he flat out would smite people.
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Tacceus
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Death isn’t the worst suffering it’s losing our souls that’s worse. But ever since Jesus has come to earth God has been much more merciful to people. In the Old testament you could say God was a lot more closer to his people speaking directly to prophets etc. Hence why God judged more harshly but in our present time you can definitely see God’s mercy.
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9
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CaptainPrudeman
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You see, about 2000 years ago this guy named Jesus was born and, well, yeah.
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Dan_Defender
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It is possible that we are living in the ‘1000 years with Christ’ period, a time of grace indicated in Revelation.
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Struggling1
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If he is all constant at all times since he is outside of time and space so he doesn’t have temporal changes how can his emotions change? Why wouldn’t he treat us all the same?
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Tacceus
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There is still a difference because of what was happening during the time periods, in the Old testament it was just God and his people. You have to understand how close God was to his people God was literally walking through the garden of Eden.
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.(Genesis 3:8)
He spoke directly to his prophet Moses: He said, “Listen to my words:
“When there is a prophet among you, I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions, I speak to them in dreams. But this is not true of my servant Moses he is faithful in all my house.With him I speak face to face clearly and not in riddles he sees the form of the Lord.Why then were you not afraid
to speak against my servant Moses?” (Numbers 12:6-8)
So because God was this close to his people during the Old testament he expected certain things from them hence why he got extremely angry when they turned against him. Just to reaffirm this:
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord.For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it ton their hearts.And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.” ( Jeremiah 31:31-34)
The same thing can’t be said about the New Testament in which Jesus came into the world. Many things where changed and reaffirmed, and as Jesus died on the cross for our sins the gates of heaven where opened and God started treating people with more mercy. Jesus had purchased for us the rewards of eternal life. There is a big difference between when Jesus came into this world and when he hadn’t yet come into this world.
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.(Genesis 3:8)
He spoke directly to his prophet Moses: He said, “Listen to my words:
“When there is a prophet among you, I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions, I speak to them in dreams. But this is not true of my servant Moses he is faithful in all my house.With him I speak face to face clearly and not in riddles he sees the form of the Lord.Why then were you not afraid
to speak against my servant Moses?” (Numbers 12:6-8)
So because God was this close to his people during the Old testament he expected certain things from them hence why he got extremely angry when they turned against him. Just to reaffirm this:
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord.For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it ton their hearts.And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.” ( Jeremiah 31:31-34)
The same thing can’t be said about the New Testament in which Jesus came into the world. Many things where changed and reaffirmed, and as Jesus died on the cross for our sins the gates of heaven where opened and God started treating people with more mercy. Jesus had purchased for us the rewards of eternal life. There is a big difference between when Jesus came into this world and when he hadn’t yet come into this world.
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Struggling1
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Isn’t God unchangeable though? Or immutable (not sure if this is the right term,) and he’s outside space and time how is it possible he opened the gates which implies there was a time they were closed, and how did Jesus coming change him? Thank you and Happy Easter by the way!!! I really appreciate the help!
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Tacceus
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Happy Easter to you as well. So yeah God is immutable but Jesus has all ways been around since the beginning of earth so this was all planned and meant to happen. If we go back to the fundamentals Jesus was sent to earth because his people had turned away from God.
She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" (which means “God with us”). (Matthew 1: 21-23)
What Jesus did and had achieved on this earth has nothing to do with God’s immutability as it aligned with God’s plan for us people.
Yes you are right there was a period of time when the gates of heaven where closed. All the prophets and saints where in a waiting area, this waiting area was a place where the souls would wait until Jesus would come and open the gates of heaven. This was one of the things that happened when Jesus died on the cross.
and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people. (Matthew 27: 52-53)
So Jesus’ death was able to achieve all this because Jesus is the son of God they are part of the trinity one can’t do something without the help of the other.
“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” (Luke 22:42)
Because God could not stand the pain and suffering his son was going through, he sent an angel to comfort him. Because this was all supposed to happen and was part of God’s plan for the human race.
An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. (Luke 22:43)
I Hope you are understanding the point I’m trying to make
She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" (which means “God with us”). (Matthew 1: 21-23)
What Jesus did and had achieved on this earth has nothing to do with God’s immutability as it aligned with God’s plan for us people.
Yes you are right there was a period of time when the gates of heaven where closed. All the prophets and saints where in a waiting area, this waiting area was a place where the souls would wait until Jesus would come and open the gates of heaven. This was one of the things that happened when Jesus died on the cross.
and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people. (Matthew 27: 52-53)
So Jesus’ death was able to achieve all this because Jesus is the son of God they are part of the trinity one can’t do something without the help of the other.
“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” (Luke 22:42)
Because God could not stand the pain and suffering his son was going through, he sent an angel to comfort him. Because this was all supposed to happen and was part of God’s plan for the human race.
An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. (Luke 22:43)
I Hope you are understanding the point I’m trying to make
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Seeksadvice
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Would certainly make certain aspects of my job easier. Somewhere in the really rural eastern part of the state, there was a priest who tried to claim that the State of North Dakota did not have jurisdiction to prosecute him for the tens-of-thousands he stole from his parish, arguing that it should be a canon law thing. It didn’t work so well for him, and I’m guessing that he probably didn’t enjoy his time at the pen.
Smiting criminal members of the employees of churches definitely would have helped out this year. Sigh…
Plus, one community had a bunch of juveniles break into a Catholic church and proceed to urinate on the statues, altar area, etc. The local Anglican church had people break in and steal the altar ware (little did they know that the church could only afford gold plated chalices/plates/etc.) A few years back, the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church out here was running a homeless camp in their parking lot/church… the congregation later learned why, when one member found the minister engaging in sexual activities with one of the males living there.
Smiting criminal members of the employees of churches definitely would have helped out this year. Sigh…
Plus, one community had a bunch of juveniles break into a Catholic church and proceed to urinate on the statues, altar area, etc. The local Anglican church had people break in and steal the altar ware (little did they know that the church could only afford gold plated chalices/plates/etc.) A few years back, the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church out here was running a homeless camp in their parking lot/church… the congregation later learned why, when one member found the minister engaging in sexual activities with one of the males living there.
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