Why doesn't doing the right things bring me peace?

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I feel much more drawn to prayer since coming back from Medjugorje.

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So the short and long is, no matter how hard I try, yes, I do still have this feeling that when I face God, I’m going to be told that absolutely everything I ever did was wrong, wrong, wrong. 😦 It’s something I’m working on, and I think your suggestions will help.

To hear in this thread over and over the message that God is a loving God helps. I know that in my head, but I often realize I don’t really believe it in my heart.
Not sure if this will help but I made this post on a thread I started
(take note of the last line:) of my post)

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=5165692&postcount=10
 
🙂 I teach music lessons and used to use the harp player in my signature.

Thank you.

I did pray today, and thought about what God looks like, stern or loving or something else? I had an image of the Sistine Chapel God the Father, far off and away, and the next thing I knew, it seemed He was sitting right in the room with me.
 
🙂 I teach music lessons and used to use the harp player in my signature.

Thank you.

I did pray today, and thought about what God looks like, stern or loving or something else? I had an image of the Sistine Chapel God the Father, far off and away, and the next thing I knew, it seemed He was sitting right in the room with me.
That is beautiful!

I think our image of God is very important because this rules our life and our prayer.

Have you ever done imaginative contemplation? I might post here a little guideline about it.

I found it very helpful when meditating on the gospels.

Another thing that helped me greatly was meditating on Psalm 139. I like the way some versions use the verb “knit” instead of 'form" in the verse “You knit me me in my mother’s womb” because it speaks of the tender care God took in creating in us.

And you are right, how we see our parents affect our image of God.

I once gave a mini retreat and I gave this excercise.

Recall the time in your life when you were your worst. Imagine that your parents and God were looking at your while this was happening. What are their expressions?

The I asked the participants to imagine the time when they were being the best person they could be and try to see their parents and God’s expression.

The response was that their parents and God have the same expression on both occassions, angry and disapproving with the first; happy and approving with the second.

Yet God has nothing but love for us and to come to a profound cognition of that love is very important in our faith journey.
 
Today’s is, why do I seem never able to find peace, even when I’m doing all the ‘right’ things? I have tried hard for 20 years to live my faith. I have said the daily Rosary (at times better than others) and fasted weekly for 15+ years (except when pregnant). In the last couple of years, I am very close to monthly confession. I recently went to Medjugorje and since coming back am saying 15 decades daily, fast twice a week, and am reading Scripture almost daily. (I’d been working on all of these things before going, too.) I teach my children the faith, and strive to follow the harder and less popular teachings. I think I’ve done a fairly good job of forgiving people and moving on.
As I recall, the Pharisee in the Lord’s parable fasted twice in the week, too, and had all sorts of virtues of a type.

And they didn’t bring HIM peace, now did they?
 
Hi Holyrood –

I’ve been reading the responses to your post, and I think you’ve received some very good advice. Families! There are no perfect ones, are there? I can’t say much beyond what’s already been said to you about families. I do agree that you don’t need to keep on taking abuse. It isn’t fair nor healthy, and I’m sure God wouldn’t want this of you. Do your best, and do what you need to do to protect yourself a little more.

As far as not experiencing peace despite your best efforts, I’ll just pass on to you what I do in my life. Each morning while I’m still lying in bed, I say good morning to God and thank him for my life – the good times, the bad times, and everything that has led me to the present day. I ask for His shepherding for just the present day, and then I present to Him my worries, etc. I also ask Him to forgive me for falling short of the mark in my life, as all human beings do daily! And then I say – I’m all yours, Lord; let me be Your hands and heart on earth just for the present day. And then I get up and just live!

Good luck to you –

Love, Alisa
 
Sorry to say, I typically come here with concerns and questions about my faith.

Today’s is, why do I seem never able to find peace, even when I’m doing all the ‘right’ things? I have tried hard for 20 years to live my faith. I have said the daily Rosary (at times better than others) and fasted weekly for 15+ years (except when pregnant). In the last couple of years, I am very close to monthly confession. I recently went to Medjugorje and since coming back am saying 15 decades daily, fast twice a week, and am reading Scripture almost daily. (I’d been working on all of these things before going, too.) I teach my children the faith, and strive to follow the harder and less popular teachings. I think I’ve done a fairly good job of forgiving people and moving on.

But I do not feel at peace. I’m not sure if it makes any difference to post the specific difficulties in my life (after all, we all have difficulties), but I have finally had it with several family members and a family dynamic that seems to view me as the problem child and scapegoat. I posted many months ago about a sister who went into rages at me and my children. (The general advice here was to stay away from such out of control behavior). Since then, I’ve been informed by my father that she is justified in treating me that way, that I must be a hypocrite since my non-church going sisters ‘dont’ have these problems,’ that I’m not a very good mother (actually, most people think my kids are quite well-behaved, but my father has unrealistic expectations for kids, not to mention the difficult situation into which they were put), and so on. When I tried to point out that there were several other factors, he launched into yelling, too, and wouldn’t even consider that maybe there’s more going on than that my children and I are just horrible. He said the reason I don’t go off on people is because the rest of them never do anything annoying (no, I don’t go into rages because I’ve worked hard to be patient and accepting.)

So today my sister sent an apology of sorts (I could have handled it more maturely), 16 months after screaming insults at me over Christmas dinner. In the past, every time someone has decided to play nice, I’ve been right back there, genuinely forgiving and putting it in the past. This includes incidents of domestic violence from my father even into my adult years, and lots of verbal and emotional abuse and scapegoating. (He slaps my mother and rips phones out of the wall, and tells me it’s my fault the neighbors think badly of him and he’s got marriage problems, as one example among many.)

This time, I’m angry. I don’t want a relationship with these people. Right at this moment, I don’t even like them. I don’t really foresee anything changing if I go back and play nice. My sister has not addressed her lifetime habit of tempers. To the best of my knowledge, they are still all scapegoating.

What is the Christian response in this situation?

ETA: I just re-read and realized I’ve asked two completely separate questions. Why am I not finding peace despite doing everything God has asked to the best of my ability, and where do I go from here with these family issues?

Short answer: **God has made us for Himself **- our works, even if “good”, cannot, ultimately, give us peace: they are not meant to. We can have peace of conscience - but not full satisfaction with anything in the world; ourselves & our works included. Besides any good we do we do by God’s mercy & grace - “we are unprofitable servants; we have done more than our duty” (see Luke 17.10). Besides, this dissatisfaction should lead us to rely, not upon our own feeble & half-hearted & inconsistent attempts to God, but upon God, Who is alone Good; anything that drives us back onto Him is good, anything that takes us from Him, is not good. ** **​

One of the things that can help the feeling of dissatisfaction is a practice of thanksgiving. ISTM that if we looked hard, & were inventive, we would never lack things for which to give thanks. Including our problems. The quarrels we have with others can - if we learn how to make right use of such events - reveal us to ourselves, more than if such problems didn’t arise. In our own strength, we cannot do any of this. Even if we rely on God, we always need patience - & that too is His gift. Not only is a spirit of thankgiving for all things bad news for the temptation to complain; it also opens the heart, to others & to God above all.

I hope this is some use to you. It may be no such thing.
 

Short answer: **God has made us for Himself **- our works, even if “good”, cannot, ultimately, give us peace: they are not meant to. We can have peace of conscience - but not full satisfaction with anything in the world; ourselves & our works included.​

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I hope this is some use to you. It may be no such thing.
BEATIFULL !!!:clapping:
 
holyrood
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Jesus said in John 14:27  Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
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             You may not believe this but you have come to a very blessed place in your life. You have come to the place where doing all the right things is not enough. Praying the rosary going to church trying to live the christian life and so the list goes on. Many people go to church all their lives and never come to where you are.
Jesus said that He would give you peace!!!

Ephesians 2:8-18 I would recomend you reading this. I am using the king james version.
In verse 14 it says that Jesus is our peace. In verse 8 it says for by grace are ye saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God.

It is important that we realise that it is a gift that it cannot be earned by a good christian life or anything else. In Luke 16:14 Jesus said unto them ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly estemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

When we come to God we must come through Jesus. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way the truth and the life: no man commeth unto the Father but by me.

Jesus said there is no other way. John 10:1 Verily, verily I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.Jesus said in John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in; he shall be saved, and shall go in and out and find pasture.

Many times we get things backward and try live the christian life before recieving the gift of peace. We can be raised in the church and recieve the sacraments do all the right things and find ourselves in the place you are in today. Fortunate is the person who comes to this place. One cannot do and get to heaven That is why there is no real peace It is a gift of God. Ephesians 2:14 says that Jesus is our peace. One must recieve this gift by faith.

I would recomend that you get alone with God and come before Jesus and His cross and tell Him that you have tried to serve Him that you have no peace that you have been relying on doing the right things for your salvation and that now you are going to trust that what He did on the cross is enough and invite Him to come into your heart and forgive you for all your sins and for trusting in what you can do instead of Him and what He did on the cross. When you invite Jesus to come into your heart He will hear you if you really are sincere. He will give you this peace.

It is after we recieve this gift of peace that the works follow and they take on new meaning

Feel free to contact me any time if you wish
hope 7
 
Sorry to say, I typically come here with concerns and questions about my faith.

ETA: I just re-read and realized I’ve asked two completely separate questions. Why am I not finding peace despite doing everything God has asked to the best of my ability, and where do I go from here with these family issues?
First, please don’t be “sorry”. What better source than a group of sympathetic like-minded people? And aren’t we all here to help and learn from one another? (Maybe that was just a turn of phrase on your part.)

As to not finding peace, are you perhaps so busy criticizing yourself that you are drowning out God’s approval? (You wouldn’t be the first.)

Finally, I shouldn’t comment on your family issues, since mine are different but not any better. But I do wish you well–and remember that you have to do what’s right for you and your immediate family. If your extended family isn’t helping, they aren’t your friends. And would you accept such harsh criticism from non-friends?
 
I would recomend that you get alone with God and come before Jesus and His cross and tell Him that you have tried to serve Him that you have no peace that you have been relying on doing the right things for your salvation and that now you are going to trust that what He did on the cross is enough and invite Him to come into your heart and forgive you for all your sins and for trusting in what you can do instead of Him and what He did on the cross. When you invite Jesus to come into your heart He will hear you if you really are sincere. He will give you this peace.

It is after we recieve this gift of peace that the works follow and they take on new meaning

Feel free to contact me any time if you wish

hope 7
Holyrood was not trusting on what she can do. She was coming before Jesus.

And yes, Jesus does hear her and always listens to her. She does not need to invite Jesus into her heart before He hears her. Jesus hears her all the time. When she prays the rosary Jesus hears her and His Mother intercedes for her. And they both love her whether she is aware of it or not. When she makes the sacrifices she does it for love of Jesus. Jesus’spresence does not depend on us inviting Him into our hearts. He is always there right from our baptism.

And no. I don’t think she was doing all these things for her salvation. She is doing all these things because she loves God and she wants to please Him and be more united to Him.

Also, I am sure that she goes to confession so she knows the forgiveness of God for in the sacrament you have the guarantee that your sins have been forgiven when the priest pronounces the absolution.

Furthermore, Jesus hears us, whether we are sincere or not.

You are teaching Holy erroneous doctrine.
 
You need to take some time away from your sisters and father. Move if you have to. [If you can, if not, avoid contact with them for awhile] You have done God’s will, it is up to them to change their hardened hearts toward you. If they can’t, cut ties with them and find friends who will love you for who you are.
Christ never meant for anyone to be used as a doormat or scapegoat for others to dump on. I hope for the best for you.
God’s Blessings be with you,
mary1173:)
 
Still – I think the point with Holyrood is that even though she probably KNOWS Jesus is with her and always listens to her, etc., she would like to FEEL it too. That’s why I think the suggestions made by “7” (sorry, I forgot the name already) would be good for Holyrood to try. She is looking for peace within her heart rather than a “knowing”.

Alisa
 
My dear friend

We are never fully satisfied until we reach heaven. Also, if your feeling like your not doing enough it’s because God wants all. He gives all and wants all. If you can try daily mass and / or visits to the Blessed Sacrament. If you could add this to your repetoire I’m sure God would start to make you feel satisfied spiritually. Get very, very close to God and you will be happy.

With your family don’t separate unless you really must. If they persecute you this is very good. Persevere and you may well be the one and only thing that get’s them to heaven. Pray for them and show them Christ. It’s because they see Christ in you they persecute you. They did it to Him so we must expect the same. Christ is very demanding and that’s why people respond angrily when they see Him. Be Christ to them and save them.

God bless you:thumbsup:🙂
John
 
Still – I think the point with Holyrood is that even though she probably KNOWS Jesus is with her and always listens to her, etc., she would like to FEEL it too. That’s why I think the suggestions made by “7” (sorry, I forgot the name already) would be good for Holyrood to try. She is looking for peace within her heart rather than a “knowing”.

Alisa
I think hope7 is trying to convert Holy to her brand of Christianity which I think is Evangelical. It is very clear from the words she used. It is very subtle and but is quite evident and she perhaps hopes to draw Holy away from the Church by this, knowing that Holy is very vulnerable right now. It is insidious. It is false teaching cloaked in feel good verbiage.

It is not asking Jesus into her heart that will somehow make Jesus present to her. Jesus is already present to her. She just doesn’t feel it. And I think it is because she has a rather distorted image of God. She has said that too. She feels that she has to try hard to win God’s approval when it truth we do not need to try hard to win God’s approval because God loves us just the way we are.

What someone said a few posts up is true. She is probably too busy berating herself that she is drowning out God’s approval. God died for us when we were sinners and this is something we all need to grasp to truly appreciate God’s love.

God is in our hearts from our baptism. We just need to tap into that. She probably needs to let go saying too many decades of the rosary if she feels that to be a burden and maybe just sit quietly before Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament. To pray and tell God in her own words how awful her world is right now.

Perhaps there is also something that she cannot forgive about herself. Sometimes the person we need to learn to forgive is not so much others but ourselves.

Holy, if you are reading this, try to get hold of a book called the God of Surprises byGerald Hughes… I think you will find great help in this. There are some great meditation exercises on Biblical passagesthat are relevant to your situation right now.
 
A very good post, in my opinion, Benedictus. That book sounds good for anybody to read.
Alisa
 
I’m sure you’ll get much better answers than my reply.
But if it makes you feel any better (misery loves company), I, too, have a problem resolving things the way I think God would want. Sometimes, to the point of just plain not liking certain people and not wanting to deal with certain relationships. It’s not the Christian (let alone Catholic) way.

Why don’t you have peace? Whatever comes into your life to upset you - is probably out of your hands. I’ll use a current saying - “chill out” 😃 … You’re doing SO MUCH of what God and Our Lady would be pleased with. A MOM? With all the responsibilities of daily life - and you fast and say 15 decades of the Rosary, etc.? I’m not wise in these matters - Just be at peace that you’re trying. You’re answering so many Heavenly requests that many of us fail to do. Sit back, take a deep breath - and ask God to give you His Peace. And ask Our Lady’s intercession for all your prayers. (and I had a last-minute thought to ask you to pray for this poor poster…perhaps, inspired???)
God love you.
 
I sympathize with you greatly. I also struggle daily with lack of peace. I’ve realized that when my nerves are being hit by lightening of unrest(anger, resentment, self-pity, sadness), logic isn’t going to help, theology isn’t going to help, self-discipline isn’t going to help. The only thing that helps is Jesus. Just by saying quietly the name of Jesus, looking at a crucifix, or thinking about Jesus, I get calm. Sometimes I feel so bad but the question pops up in my heart, what about Jesus? What about Jesus? Our efforts certainly help but they are not the source of our strength. Jesus is. I can’t remember which saint said this, but Jesus revealed to her that whenever we think about Him, He is thinking about us. Do you have divine images at home? Like the Divine Mercy image? Or a crucifix? Or the Blessed Mother? I’d highly recommend these if you don’t already have them. At the time of anger and emotional unrest, you’ll need a quick fix of holy comfort, which these holy reminders can quickly give, especially the crucifix. Mine is a San Damiano crucifix, where Jesus is actually looking kindly at me. Everytime I kneel down and adore the crucifix, Jesus tells me of His tender love for me and for my neighbor. He completely dissolves my anger and resentment and embraces me with His arms. Then my heart is set at peace. If Jesus loves me so much, I don’t really care what other people say or do to me. The saints always say, if you have God, you have everything. This is true, but we must come to know God better. Try to learn more about God’s love and mercy.
 
ETA: I just re-read and realized I’ve asked two completely separate questions. Why am I not finding peace despite doing everything God has asked to the best of my ability, and where do I go from here with these family issues?
You sound very holy, praise God.👍 I’d say you should just keep at a safe distance from your family for now, but still definitely pray for their conversions. You are not finding peace because you are still on earth where life is not perfect and not everybody among us is a saint or trying to become one. The saints suffered much while on the earth because of sinners. But they still prayed for them. Keep up your strong prayer life and go to eucharistic adoration to talk with Jesus about your angry feelings, and even get a spiritual director. Your provoking family members probably can’t be changed. You might have to take the good with the bad and just keep praying for them with as much charity you can manage. Forgive, but just be cautious with them…most of all love them by praying for their souls (at a safe distance for now, if you have to) until you can stand their company again.
 
((HOLYROOD)),

I really wish I could bring you the peace you seek!

I don’t know if this is evidence of weak faith or not, but I really don’t think peace comes and then settles down for a long stay. I think peace, like pure joy, comes at times and is savored, relished, embraced; but ultimately it ends. The world around us, ESPECIALLY our family has an impact on us. It is a sign of how hard we love (one of Christ’s commands) them, how hard we try to connect with them and bring them to Him (another of His commands) and how engaged we are with them that they affect us so. Perfect peace, perpetual peace is longed for, but only found in Heaven, IMO.

I think you’ve gotten some really great advice here. Be DRAWN to prayer not DRIVEN. Forgive, but keep yourself and your family safe from violence (and belittling, insulting, ridiculing and intimidating…all of which are present in the way you describe your family’s actions… ARE forms of violence), remember that souls can be prayed into Heaven just as they can be modeled into Heaven. Love yourself and your family as Christ would have you do. Putting others ahead of us in humility is a Christ-like trait; accepting abuse is not. Take advantage of the sacraments and pray the Rosary frequently (I kind of feel like a hypocrite with this advice, since I need to remember this, too 😊). Cherish the peace when it comes and remember that it WILL be back when it leaves. And remember that you have a family in the Body of Christ, too. :hug1:

I’ll be praying for you!! :gopray:
 
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