Why doesn't God just get rid of Satan

[ANV]

Maybe he is giving him a second chance to repent. Maybe he loves him too, why assume that God only loves humans, even our worst sinners, he gives them a chance for forgiveness, why wouldn’t that mercy include Satan too? What difference there is, if God is willing to forgive Hitler if he repented and not putting Hitler’s victims and their suffering into consideration, then why wouldn’t that be applied to Satan too?

 

[JapaneseKappa]

Maybe he is giving him a second chance to repent. Maybe he loves him too, why assume that God only loves humans, even our worst sinners, he gives them a chance for forgiveness, why wouldn’t that mercy include Satan too? What difference there is, if God is willing to forgive Hitler if he repented and not putting Hitler’s victims and their suffering into consideration, then why wouldn’t that be applied to Satan too?

catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/should-i-pray-for-the-devil
tl;dr: don’t pray for the devil, he’s not redeemable.

But who prays for Satan? Who in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most, our one fellow and brother who most needed a friend yet had not a single one, the one sinner among us all who had the highest and clearest right to every Christian’s daily and nightly prayers, for the plain and unassailable reason that his was the first and greatest need, he being among sinners the supremest?

• Mark Twain’s Autobiography

 

[ffg]

Maybe he is giving him a second chance to repent. Maybe he loves him too, why assume that God only loves humans, even our worst sinners, he gives them a chance for forgiveness, why wouldn’t that mercy include Satan too? What difference there is, if God is willing to forgive Hitler if he repented and not putting Hitler’s victims and their suffering into consideration, then why wouldn’t that be applied to Satan too?

God loves.

That’s not - God loves those who love Him.

It’s God loves.

It’s who He is, in giving ‘things’ Himself.

Catholic teaching is not ‘God loves only…’

What is, would not be, without God’s love.

Careful not to conflate 2 distinct and very different creatures existing in very different natures - humans and angels.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

Maybe he is giving him a second chance to repent. Maybe he loves him too, why assume that God only loves humans, even our worst sinners, he gives them a chance for forgiveness, why wouldn’t that mercy include Satan too? What difference there is, if God is willing to forgive Hitler if he repented and not putting Hitler’s victims and their suffering into consideration, then why wouldn’t that be applied to Satan too?

The Bible and Catechism of the Catholic Church teach Angels are very different to humans. we are both God’s creatures. but Angels are smarter. so where an Angel makes a choice and sticks with it, with unwavering devotion to God and to the Glory of God,

we humans are pretty pathetic in our choice. we make the same choice, but we are pathetically weak in comparison to Angels. so we keep sinning.

so God in His Infinite Mercy , continues forgiving us our shite.

there is no repentence or forgiveness, then, for the fallen angels.

 

[BrunoMaria]

Here I was going to answer this morning, But as nearly every day, again I got the note SERVER IS DOWN

But God did not send him to hell … he cast him down to earth, among us…why do you think that was done?..…

When all this happened and Jesus saw Lucifer falling like lightning down to earth (Match Luke 10,18 and Isaiah 14,12), there where no people on earth yet - neither was the hell created yet. Therefore I wrote: "God banned him - first onto earth, then into hell. The place all who rebell against God, will land.“

Long before God saw that His creation was good, (Genesis 1,18 ff) the earth was void, formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep (Genesis 1,1). It was aeons before the creation of the earth in divine harmony and beauty took place. Aeons before God finally created first people (Genesis 1,27).

The „Prince of the World“ is not the Lord of the World. Satan depends on the free will of humans, to make him a Lord over them - to make him knowingly or when they don’t believe that Satan is real, which is in Satans intention - unknowingly, their god by sinning. That’s why St. Paul wrote in 2 Cor 4,4: the god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Btw - I do never believe, that Satan was allowed to keep the beautiful shape and look of a human, which is in God’s likeness - as depicted here below

see picture “Luzifer-Lucifer-Birmingham.jpg”, I wonder if I’ll manage to get it into here. To it, please watch this:
birminghammuseums.org.uk/bmag/whats-on/lucifer-s-birthday-tea-party

Most people don’t even realize who or what Satan is, and take it as a fairy tale - even take a picture of their kids with this Satanic statue.

Yours
Bruno

 

[mikekle]

Here I was going to answer this morning, But as nearly every day, again I got the note SERVER IS DOWN

When all this happened and Jesus saw Lucifer falling like lightning down to earth (Match Luke 10,18 and Isaiah 14,12), there where no people on earth yet - neither was the hell created yet. Therefore I wrote: "God banned him - first onto earth, then into hell. The place all who rebell against God, will land.“

Long before God saw that His creation was good, (Genesis 1,18 ff) the earth was void, formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep (Genesis 1,1). It was aeons before the creation of the earth in divine harmony and beauty took place. Aeons before God finally created first people (Genesis 1,27).

The „Prince of the World“ is not the Lord of the World. Satan depends on the free will of humans, to make him a Lord over them - to make him knowingly or when they don’t believe that Satan is real, which is in Satans intention - unknowingly, their god by sinning. That’s why St. Paul wrote in 2 Cor 4,4: the god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Btw - I do never believe, that Satan was allowed to keep the beautiful shape and look of a human, which is in God’s likeness - as depicted here below

see picture “Luzifer-Lucifer-Birmingham.jpg”, I wonder if I’ll manage to get it into here. To it, please watch this:
birminghammuseums.org.uk/bmag/whats-on/lucifer-s-birthday-tea-party

Most people don’t even realize who or what Satan is, and take it as a fairy tale - even take a picture of their kids with this Satanic statue.

Yours
Bruno

I do agree with you on satans form, I do not think humans could comprehend his real form, so we come up with statues and depictions based on human ideas/imagination to be representative of him.

I cannot think of the actual books/ verses, but one verse God warns us that satan is roaming among us seeking to devour us like a lion.

Another verse, God and satan meet up (somewhere) and God asks satan where he has been, satan says “coming and going from the earth, walking to and fro on it”, does this sound like a being that is in hell, not to mention, why God would even ask him such question in the first place.

 

[STT]

Maybe he is giving him a second chance to repent. Maybe he loves him too, why assume that God only loves humans, even our worst sinners, he gives them a chance for forgiveness, why wouldn’t that mercy include Satan too? What difference there is, if God is willing to forgive Hitler if he repented and not putting Hitler’s victims and their suffering into consideration, then why wouldn’t that be applied to Satan too?

Angels cannot repent according to Catholic view.

 

[Clevus]

Because he has a job to do, of course. He affects the reality in which you genuinely experience some degree of free moral agency…

If God is all-powerful, then anything that may run contra to God (prima facie) exists for a greater, more meta- purpose for that God.

Psalm 119:91, after all.

Good answer, but wouldn’t the potential to sin through nature still be present, concupiscence.?

 

[BrunoMaria]

I do agree with you on satans form, I do not think humans could comprehend his real form, so we come up with statues and depictions based on human ideas/imagination to be representative of him

Why then would anyone create any statue of Satan at all; the dirtiest creature ever alive?! We neither erect statues of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, or Idi Amin - all of them kids by comparison to Satan.

one verse God warns us that satan is roaming among us seeking to devour us like a lion

St. Peter rightly wrote this in his 5th letter: 1Peter 5,8: Your enemy the devil, like a roaring lion, is on the prowl looking for someone to devour.

Another verse, God and satan meet up (somewhere) and God asks satan where he has been, satan says “coming and going from the earth, walking to and fro on it”, does this sound like a being that is in hell, not to mention, why God would even ask him such question in the first place.

That’s in the Book Job in Job 1,6: Now the day came when the sons of Godcame to present themselves before the Lord – and Satan also arrived among them. The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” And Satan answered the Lord, “From roving about on the earth, and from walking back and forth across it.”
Certainly God knew where he came from and what he as doing. Since this as long after humans were created, Satan lived no longer on the earth, but in hell; still allowed to sieve all humans on earth (Luke 22:31) - as he is presently excessively doing too. Of course Satan is here among us. When he tempted Jesus Christ, he of course too was on earth. As he’s allowed to sieve us like wheat, which he continuously does.
„Sons of God“ are all of God’s creatures who got a soul - God’s Odem or Breath. Here disregarding i with or without a body. So Satan too.

Biblical science tells about this word of GOD’S SONS:
The “Sons of God” in the Old Testament is generally taken to refer to angels. They are not actually “Sons” of Elohim (Hebrew for God). The idiom is far more so a poetic way of making understood and describing their nature and relationship to God; their supernatural nature, and their submission to God as the sovereign Lord. It may be classified as a genitive that expresses how individuals belong to a certain class or type, i.e., the supernatural. In the pagan literature, especially of Ugarit, “the sons of God” refers to the lesser gods or deities of the pantheon.

God the Father allows Satan to tempt us. Believers are of course much more tempted than disbelievers, to the latter Satan’s got anyhow, and his legions dn’t spend too much time on them.
So Satan tempted Job (a name representative for all absolute believers on earth who resist Satan). Job as all who really live in God, succeeded this terrible test, and was awarded by God. So where many up to this day.

 

[JapaneseKappa]

God is infinitely good. He makes sense as he has our salvation in mind. We don’t always “get it”.
Satan and his cohorts are on a leash…they tempt only as far as God lets them. The Lord gave us the perfect Way to make the right choices.

What is the “perfect Way,” when did God give it to us, and what about those poor humans that lived before God gave us this “perfect Way?”

 

[Dorothy]

What is the “perfect Way,” when did God give it to us, and what about those poor humans that lived before God gave us this “perfect Way?”

“JapaneseKappa”,

Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, is as He says…"…the Way, the Truth, and the Life."

God in the flesh! He freely gave His Life for us, allowing Himself to suffer a horrific death to prove His Love for us! And, He rose from the dead. He desires that we pick up our cross and follow Him, and we too will rise on the last day. The Goodness and Mercy that flows out of Him is retroactive…those who had not met Him, but followed the way of goodness and truth.

I hope others chime in, who can articulate more and better than I have done.

Peace!

Dorothy

 

[JapaneseKappa]

“JapaneseKappa”,

Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, is as He says…"…the Way, the Truth, and the Life."

God in the flesh! He freely gave His Life for us, allowing Himself to suffer a horrific death to prove His Love for us! And, He rose from the dead. He desires that we pick up our cross and follow Him, and we too will rise on the last day. The Goodness and Mercy that flows out of Him is retroactive…those who had not met Him, but followed the way of goodness and truth.

I hope others chime in, who can articulate more and better than I have done.

Peace!

Dorothy

So Jesus is the “perfect Way to make good choices,” but God didn’t actually give us this perfect way until after he let the devil tempt us. Why would God be surprised that humans would make imperfect choices when he hadn’t yet given them a “perfect Way to make good choices?” Perhaps you can clarify.

 

[ANV]

Angels cannot repent according to Catholic view.

Which wouldn’t be logical, since they have free will.

 

[Dorothy]

So Jesus is the “perfect Way to make good choices,” but God didn’t actually give us this perfect way until after he let the devil tempt us. Why would God be surprised that humans would make imperfect choices when he hadn’t yet given them a “perfect Way to make good choices?” Perhaps you can clarify.

I did mention in my message that His goodness and mercy is retroactive. (Goes back to those who chose to walk in His light.)

I need to also mention that sin entered the world through disobedience. Our first parents “walked with God” and had fullness of His grace.

Through the disobedience of our first parents sin entered the world by the weakening of their wills and the disharmony within them. We were promised a Savior and He came to show us that He is the Way back to God and His gifts for us.

 

[Dorothy]

Which wouldn’t be logical, since they have free will.

It is logical when one comes to know that the angels were given to know at a glance what the outcome of their choice would be.

Humans fall down…they can repent, get up again…grow spiritually, etc. Humans were not born with the knowledge that the angels (pure spirit) were given at the first moment of their creation.

 

[steve_b]

that’s the question

Just as the angels were tested and 1/3 of them failed, Revelation 12:4 ] now it’s humanity being tested and Satan is the one allowed to do the sifting.

As Jesus told us in advance, few pass the test.

Matthew 7:13-14 ,

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy,[a] that leads to destruction, ἀπώλεια, ] and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Luke 13:23-28 ,
23 And some one said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, 24 “Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the householder has risen up and shut the door, you will begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us.’ He will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from; depart from me, all you workers of iniquity!’ 28 There you will weep and gnash your teeth",

Note: Jesus didn’t deny the question of only a few in the end, are saved, He validated it. Meaning people are not taking salvation seriously.