Why doesn't Michael Voris appear on EWTN?

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Let’s remember EWTN reaches everyone…Catholic and non-Catholic…Voris is good for making someone stronger in the Faith but I believe he would scare away anyone who wasn’t Catholic. People love Mother Angelica because she is kind and understanding when presenting the Faith without compromise…and she could get away with saying a few things about Bishops because she was seen as a cute old nun who acts the way a cute old nun is supposed to act…I don’t like some of the things Voris have said about our Bishops…especially my Bishop here in New York…do you guys remember when M.Angelica questioned Cardinal(I cringe whenever I have to use this before his name) Mahoney’s faith in the dogma of the true presence in the late 90s??? Imagine Voris! Father John Corapi was funny and explained things very well without compromising the Faith, that is why he was loved, Voris comes off as a arrogant bully(at least to me…though I agree with his message 99% of the time) If I was a questioning protestant and saw his video I’d start looking into the Episcopal church. We need more Mother Angelicas not more Michael Vorises
Voris sees himself as Davey Crockett at the Alamo. Besieged on all sides. He may not be far wrong. I’ve never read anybody who debunks what he says, only how he says it for he is guilty of violating the one sin left in society: intolerance. If the latest news from Miami proves true, he will be vindicated and have a lot to say.
 
… a proliferation of discussion about this apostolate.
I am wondering if the reason he is not on EWTN is that he is RealCatholicTV is more of a blog than an apostolate, at least as the term is normally used. From what I gather Voris has never applied to be an apostolate of his diocese or under any authority of the Catholic Church. Perhaps EWTN has a blanket policy against airing such unattached ministries.
 
Voris sees himself as Davey Crockett at the Alamo. Besieged on all sides. He may not be far wrong. I’ve never read anybody who debunks what he says, only how he says it for he is guilty of violating the one sin left in society: intolerance. If the latest news from Miami proves true, he will be vindicated and have a lot to say.
Well, he is not very respectful of the bishops, I must say. But he is like an enlisted who has been let down by his officers. If an army is getting beat up, the troops are not going to have many nice things to say about the brass.
 
Well, he is not very respectful of the bishops, I must say. But he is like an enlisted who has been let down by his officers. If an army is getting beat up, the troops are not going to have many nice things to say about the brass.
That depends on the Bishop. He thinks very highly of orthodox Bishops. Not so highly of gentlemen like His Excellency Archbishop Weakland.
 
I am wondering if the reason he is not on EWTN is that he is RealCatholicTV is more of a blog than an apostolate, at least as the term is normally used. From what I gather Voris has never applied to be an apostolate of his diocese or under any authority of the Catholic Church. Perhaps EWTN has a blanket policy against airing such unattached ministries.
Good clarification. I was using the term apostolate a bit untechnically.
 
On Post #59 the answer is revealed to all, but somehow missed or disregarded so folks could make up their own reason.

~Liza
 
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Veridical16:
Patrick Madrid posted news this week about WYD, pointing out the peculiarity of him being singled out.
The article was broader than your concept of “singling him out.” Note that Mr. Madrid made no other comment, except to say that he was publicly spurned, which is indeed true. For that to occur, we have hints that there were valid reasons for such an “unprecedented” statement in the 27-year history of WYD.
Patrick Madrid:
This is quite unusual, perhaps even unprecedented, in the 27-year history of the Vatican-sponsored World Youth Day (WYD) events held every three years in a major city around the world. The official WYD website contains the following announcement in which it takes the remarkable step of publicly spurning American Catholic Internet commentator Michael Voris**. **

Link: patrickmadrid.com/tag/world-youth-day/
A second link on his blog reporting 152 comments:
patrickmadrid.com/world-youth-day-madrid-2011-officially-disavows-any-connection-with-michael-voris/
 
Not in the least. Did I address your post?
No - but you seem to have a very interesting way of popping up on threads about RCTV that I’m already posting on, only to attack the apostolate and supporting comments. Do you have a search function to find these threads? Perhaps you are viewing my posts to find out where the topic is being discussed? It seems to be quite a mission of yours, so I’m just trying to understand it a bit more. You don’t appear on any other unrelated threads that I’ve posted on (that I’ve noticed), only this topic.

Things that make you go Hmmmmmm… :rolleyes:

~Liza
 
On Post #59 the answer is revealed to all, but somehow missed or disregarded so folks could make up their own reason.

~Liza
Aw, go ahead and take away our fun then! 😛

I’m sure you’re right, though. There’s no need to look for sinister clandestine meanings behind it all. It’s just different Catholics doing their different ministries. I’ve never been on EWTN either (though I expect the phone call any day now! :D).
 
Aw, go ahead and take away our fun then! 😛

I’m sure you’re right, though. There’s no need to look for sinister clandestine meanings behind it all. It’s just different Catholics doing their different ministries. I’ve never been on EWTN either (though I expect the phone call any day now! :D).
😃

~Liza
 
The disturbing thing about Voris is that he wants to deny people of their rights and advocates the destruction of democracy in favor of a dictatorship.

Watch the video and reconcile his personal beliefs on eliminating people he considers “parasites” from the political process with anything that the Church has ever taught.
http://jonathanturley.org/201…michael-voris/

He rebukes Bishops for their views which are contrary to his own personal political views.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rbF2SMZHLs

Not surprisingly he believes the easiest way to conduct interfaith dialogue is by openly insulting other faiths. He has done a number on Jews, stating they adhere to a manmade religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY1GG0dyU9Y

That Islam is built on murder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yMjsOYDcfE

With views like these the Church is hesitant to give this man any legitimacy
1)The Archdiocese of Detroit
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“Therefore, the catechetical presentations, the analysis of Catholic teachings or positions, and the commentary on Church leadership presented by St. Michael’s Media and/or RealCatholicTV— be they audio, video, or exclusively Web-based— cannot be approved or endorsed by the archdiocese at this time.”
The Diocese of Scranton:
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In videos posted on the Internet, Mr. Voris makes comments that certainly can be interpreted as being insensitive to people of other faiths. The Catholic Church teaches us to respect all people, regardless of their faith tradition.

Although the Diocese shares Mr. Voris’ support of efforts to protect human life, his extreme positions on other faiths are not appropriate and therefore the Diocese cannot host him.
http://www.patheos.com/commun…ed-apostolate/
 
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lizaanne:
No - but you seem to have a very interesting way of popping up on threads about RCTV that I’m already posting on, only to attack the apostolate and supporting comments.
I think you are getting paranoid. Check my [post #24](http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=8190081&postcount=24 8/1) this morning (8/1) and to whom it was addressed (Nana3, not you). Your last post there was #11 three days ago.

Yes, I do searches about two weeks apart, and then enter those threads. It has nothing to do with you in any way.
 
The disturbing thing about Voris is that he wants to deny people of their rights and advocates the destruction of democracy in favor of a dictatorship.

Watch the video and reconcile his personal beliefs on eliminating people he considers “parasites” from the political process with anything that the Church has ever taught.
http://jonathanturley.org/201…michael-voris/

He rebukes Bishops for their views which are contrary to his own personal political views.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rbF2SMZHLs

Not surprisingly he believes the easiest way to conduct interfaith dialogue is by openly insulting other faiths. He has done a number on Jews, stating they adhere to a manmade religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY1GG0dyU9Y

That Islam is built on murder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yMjsOYDcfE

With views like these the Church is hesitant to give this man any legitimacy
1)The Archdiocese of Detroit
Quote:
“Therefore, the catechetical presentations, the analysis of Catholic teachings or positions, and the commentary on Church leadership presented by St. Michael’s Media and/or RealCatholicTV— be they audio, video, or exclusively Web-based— cannot be approved or endorsed by the archdiocese at this time.”
The Diocese of Scranton:
Quote:
In videos posted on the Internet, Mr. Voris makes comments that certainly can be interpreted as being insensitive to people of other faiths. The Catholic Church teaches us to respect all people, regardless of their faith tradition.

Although the Diocese shares Mr. Voris’ support of efforts to protect human life, his extreme positions on other faiths are not appropriate and therefore the Diocese cannot host him.
http://www.patheos.com/commun…ed-apostolate/
Any chance you can provide links that actually work, so the rest of us have a chance to review the information and respond to your claims here?
 
Steve, try deleting the first http:// and scan the rest of it into your address line. The software here adds the second http, so when you want to post a link, you need to delete the http:// so it will work.

EDIT: I removed the first http in the links, but they still won’t work. This will have to be fixed by the poster, since the software has bypassed the rest of the link and it is not visible in the post. Hopefully, he will see where his error occurred.
 
I apologize for that it was a bit in the moment…I do not know the man and cannot say if he is arrogant or a bully and I believe we are a Church who can have both Voris and Angelica;) I think the internet is a perfect place for him…those who want to see him can see him and God can chose who He want to stumble upon him instead. Who can blame him for being arrogant if he is proclaiming the Truth, when your doing such a important job you can become a bit full of himself.👍
Thanks IrCatholic.

I agree, it’s not easy. I think one can pray for all the members of the Church to grow in humility.

Sometimes too, his Vortex videos are better than others, given the daily pacing. So maybe he might be just like us "I could have stated it better! " in regard to his examination of conscience.
 
Any chance you can provide links that actually work, so the rest of us have a chance to review the information and respond to your claims here?
Steve, most of the links are not even controversial. The second one isn’t his political views. It’s that the USCCB administrative channel members shouldn’t be dealing with certain abortion front groups that deal with anti-catholic stuff like gay rights groups, and abortion, Center for Community faith!
If you mean opposing abortion and gay marriage and bad community organizers who promote this stuff, then okay?? What does that have to do with Voris’ own political views?🤷

I have regarded how I want education policy implemented a personal view.
I never regarded being against gay marriage & abortion, my own personal political view.

youtube.com/watch?v=_rbF2SMZHLs

Again, I think people are making too much of his Vortexes.

It’s almost akin to commentary or criticism you see on Lifesite news, or NCRegister.

I don’t like NCregister .

So why should Voris be held any different when he remarks on Bishop actions and the Democrat party connectiongs like Lifesite warning about the Catholics for the Common Good or whatever.

If you did not see the first video. That is the only imprudent video Voris did. :rotfl: He tried to make a point aobut the pratfalls of Democracy in regard to , an immoral populace.

The only part where he stepped in it, was suggesting the Benevolent Dictatorship, to make a point regarding protection against nonsense we are seeing today that happens when you have an immoral Republic. Not that he wants it to happen, he says God isn’t about saving nations.
:rotfl:

People now use that to smear MV and RCTV as actually wanting a Catholic Monarch for this country. It’s par for course in this media/internet day and age. We are just lucky MV target is lay Catholics. Not approval from the liberals or whatever.

Voris was better off quoting De Toqueville, to criticize America, concerning when the US ceases to be a "GOOD " country in populace.

Or Fr. Robert Barron who made a point about not turning away from God in one of his video blogs.
In videos posted on the Internet, Mr. Voris makes comments that certainly can be interpreted as being insensitive to people of other faiths. The Catholic Church teaches us to respect all people, regardless of their faith tradition.
This isn’t an authoritative statement. One can say, Any Catholic TEACHING about the faith, my posting of priests videos regarding, is insensitive.

The Catholic Truth of the Church IS INSENSITIVE or offense to other people, and can be misinterpreted as disrespect.

Saying Jesus is the way, the truth and the light, can be construed as Disrespectful.

All this handwringing about Voris is disproportional to whatever legitimate criticisms there are against his apostalate. He is just a lay catholic!

I have gripes with Bill Donahue and some biases of NCR and some public Catholic personalities. But I don’t go out of my way, if I think they are doing it wrong. I pray for them.
Although the Diocese shares Mr. Voris’ support of efforts to protect human life, his extreme positions on other faiths are not appropriate and therefore the Diocese cannot host him.
http://www.patheos.com/commun…ed-apostolate/
Smells like political correct speech & cowardice. Better cancel St. Thomas Aquinas’ scheduled appointment, as well as tell Pope Urban he is not welcome in the Diocese of Scranton anymore.

Pope Urban II:
…a race from the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God, a generation forsooth which has not directed its heart and has not entrusted its spirit to God, has invaded the lands of those Christians and has depopulated them by the sword, pillage and fire; it has led away a part of the captives into its own country, and a part it has destroyed by cruel tortures; it has either entirely destroyed the churches of God or appropriated them for the rites of its own religion… What shall I say of the abominable rape of the women? To speak of it is worse than to be silent.
 
The article was broader than your concept of “singling him out.” Note that Mr. Madrid made no other comment,
 
 
A second link on his blog reporting 152 comments:
patrickmadrid.com/world-youth-day-madrid-2011-officially-disavows-any-connection-with-michael-voris/
No, I’d say he was singled out. No broader context necessary. It IS singling Voris out, when you have a bunch of unaffiliated groups , who are lay catholics who want to teach birth control and hand out condoms, etc. And maybe give talks in their own meeting halls, but because they are likely heterodox Catholics, and aren’t popular the groups can’t be warned about by WYD. Voris is the only one, where it even implies that his views might not be in line with the Church! :rolleyes:
except to say that he was publicly spurned, **which is indeed true. **For that to occur, we have hints that there were valid reasons for such an “unprecedented” statement in the 27-year history of WYD.
Even Patrick Madrid rejects someone saying he attacked Voris in an early comment and affirms that he was bringing attention to the action against Voris. He even tries to say, “hey, I don’t tip-toe around issues MV touches on! I can be tough too” see this audio link here!! something akin to that, lol.

And that’s your assumption that WYD’s statement IS any confirmation that Voris now publicly spurned and admonished as if it is authoritative.* (Some that goes on at WYD is kind of weird anyway. As a teenager I always thought hte festivities in what I’ve seen locally was strange. So it might be a wash) *
So by your own conclusion, If Voris so unanimously disapproved by the Church in America, as some rogue layman?
How come he keeps talking to members of the Clergy on his own Real Catholic TV work??
 
I apologize up front for saying this, but I believe someone hit the nail on the head pretty solid. In a sense it feels like modern bishops are the Pharisees of our time, only opposite in posture. Not all Pharisees were … for lack of a better word … bad. Today, so many bishops seem to be of the more worldly flavor in that they carry on the concept of “feel good” or “what’s happening now” theology. Orthodoxy seems to be a rare attribute these days. And when comparing Michael Voris to bishops, please slap yourself across the face and wake up. Michael Voris is not clergy and often comes across far too stern even for an orthodox bishop. I like his show, but don’t agree always with his method of delivery. Humility is imperative when in his line of work. He doesn’t come across as humble. But then again, neither did John Corapi.
 
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