Far far more likely than that is possibility the fallible human beings involved were mistaken about the apparition. I am sure the Blessed Mother has some reasonably good idea who she is.
UUmm; IF you follow history, it is the Roman Church under Peter and the Popes that saved Christianity from heresies since the beginning of the Church since Jesus instituted her. The first 30 Catholic Popes were Martyred for your Christian faith today. If you research the early church you will find that most heresies came from the Eastern Church that got debunked by the Pope and Catholic church councils, thus saving the Traditional teachings of Jesus and the apostles from getting infected by Eastern heresies.
No. Bernadette.
No. It means that the pope can’t pass the buck.
Neither is the “Deum de Deo” God from God of the Latin, nor the “'that is of the essence of the Father, God of God,” “[by whom all things were made] in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible,” “was born perfectly [of the holy] virgin Mary,” “By whom He took body, soul, and mind, and everything that is in man, truly and not in semblance,“ascended into heaven with the same body,”[He is to come] with the same body and [with the glory] of the Father,” “[in the Holy Spirit], in the uncreated and the perfect; [Who spoke through] the Law, [prophets, and] Gospels; Who came down upon the Jordan, preached through the apostles, and lived in the saints,” “[in one baptism] in repentance, for the [remission,] and forgiveness of sins; and in the resurrection of the dead, [in the everlasting judgement of souls and bodies, and the Kingdom of Heaven]” in the Armenian. But none of the above are heretical, are otherwise attested from the Councils (the Armenians also recite the anathemas against Arius: Those Armenians, gotta love their conservatism even to the point of the museum), and do not change the meaning of the Creed as the Fathers set their seal on it. Filioque is a heretical text.
Sola scriptura I should have put first, because it’s the wrongest of the five and the most direct attack on the Councils, starting from the First: the Arians objected to “consubstantial” as it was not in the Bible (which wasn’t, at the least NT, canonized yet). Number two uses such non-Biblical terms as “Catholic.” As all Councils from 3-7 cite the Fathers, strict application of sola scriptura would have problems. The Fourth uses hypostasis directly opposed to the meaning in Scripture (the meaning of the word had undergone semantic shift, that’s why).
You are aware the that the first attested use of the word Catholic is from the successor of St. Peter (and ordained by him) St. Ignatius? But that was at St. Peter’s first See, Antioch, and he was wrtiting to another Church in the East (Smyrna). He did write a letter to Rome, but it doesn’t mention the bishop let alone pontiff there
Oh, btw he was martyred, like MANY MANY of the Patriarchs of the East.You are aware the that the first attested use of the word Catholic is from the successor of St. Peter (and ordained by him) St. Ignatius? But that was at St. Peter’s first See, Antioch, and he was wrtiting to another Church in the East (Smyrna). He did write a letter to Rome, but it doesn’t mention the bishop let alone pontiff there
****Forgive me but you have St. Ignatius in the time of St. Peter the first Pope? Ignatius of Antioch lived in the time of St. John and St. Polycarp. I question your sources here? ST. Ignatius was loyal to the Chair of Peter, as was St. John.
Yes most of the great Eastern Saints and Martyrs all acknowledged the Pope. Arianism came from the East. St. Cyril was undersuspicion from the Pope, because he was baptised by an Arian Priest. You cant change history no matter your opinion. I dont think I need to list all the eastern fathers who went into apostacy by publicly or in writing succumbed to the death threats from the Pagan Roman Emperor, and they made sacrificed to Idols, and were excommunicated by the Pope, while the western bishops and popes were being martyred for refusing to apostacize, or allow heretical teachings into the Church.
St. Ambrose an eastern saint, wanted to re-baptise these eastern bishop apostates back into the Catholic church after they repented. But the Pope told St. Ambrose NO, you can only be baptised once. Needless to say, St. Ambrose did not like the Pope’s decision but obeyed the authority of Peter’s chair from the Pope. The Pope accepted their repentance and admittance back into the Church. Just as Peter returned his disciples back into the fold of Jesus, Just as described in Scripture.
Truthfully I dont know what you are trying to accomplish here, other than offer your heretical opinions about the Magesterium and decisions that you appear to have conflict with. What you are implying as heretical by the Popes who excommunicated or denied your change to apostolic teaching and authority. Thus far you have only entered your opinion about a historical topic without no factual evidence to support it. What matters when you look to these councils is the outcome and measure it against the Oral apostolic Traditional teachings and Sacred Scripture, before you enter your negative opinion or view. Instead of complaining, just state your disbelief, excommunicate yourself, or fall into full communion with Peter’s Chair the present day Pope, or remain in schism.B]****
Oh, the West at least since the Reformation has been quite the hotbed of heresy, And not only have you managed to recycle our heresies (btw, Aranism lived on in the West) but far outdone them (we don’t have anything to match the Mormons).
**I have heard this view before that the Roman Church is responsible for the Reformation. While I cannot disagree with you on the protestant heresies, such as Mormonism etc. The Roman Catholic church has already spoken about the reformation activities and remains unchanged about these seperating sects that continue to divide. But note this, The Authority of Peter in the Pope and the successors of the apostles are alive and still active resisting heresies that come against her. Jesus already promised us the good news, the gates of the netherworld will not prevail. Although the west in the America not Rome is plaqued with heretical christian teachings, these heretics although are quite knowledgable, do not subscribe to the Catholic church, if anything they protest the authority of the Catholic church and her apostolic teachings.
Peace**
Who’d uh thunk it? Lets see now…Catholics embracing and defending their faith and religion on a “Catholic Forum” site… abusive… 
Imagine that…
Seems like the RIGHT place to do it…:extrahappy: Feeling like a “victim” today? Merely making the observation that the West is not a heresy free zone, and the East is not the hotbed of heresy some would have it out to be.
Your Holiness, Patriarch Alexei II, is that you?
Good question!!
You are aware the that the first attested use of the word Catholic is from the successor of St. Peter (and ordained by him) St. Ignatius? But that was at St. Peter’s first See, Antioch, and he was wrtiting to another Church in the East (Smyrna). He did write a letter to Rome, but it doesn’t mention the bishop let alone pontiff there
Yes, the Sixth Ecumenical Council gave a special thank you to Pope Honorius of Rome for his “help” in heresy.
Yes, the Fifth Ecumenical Council gave a special invitation to Pope Vigilius to condemn heresy, but they had to strike him from the diptychs to get him to approve what they had done.
Oh, the West at least since the Reformation has been quite the hotbed of heresy, And not only have you managed to recycle our heresies (btw, Aranism lived on in the West) but far outdone them (we don’t have anything to match the Mormons).
The Church of Rome was illegal,underground and persecuted,and its enemies would have wanted to capture its bishop most of all.
Cute. It should be noted that conciliar judgements against a person are not infallible.
That was an unjustifiable act. And besides,why was the pope’s ratification so necessary that he had to be dragged to Constantinople and kept there until he signed onto the council? Could it be that everyone knew that a council was only valid if the pope ratified it?
The West is not under the spiritual authority of the Western Church like it used to be. The Church of Rome continues to teach the orthodox faith,in spite of whatever heresies abound in the West.
But you’ve hardly done so. When you say “West” I’m assuming you mean the Western Church. Mormonism, while it is a heresy, has never been within the Catholic Church. I’m not sure who has said the East is a hotbed of heresy. There is a big difference between a schismatic and a heretic. I think people on both sides (Catholic and Orthodox) would do well to remember this.
Then you openly admit you are in dissent right along with those folks that believe abortion and same sex marriages and women bishops, priests and deacons is okay… might as well deny the Eucharist while you’re at it.
He mentions plenty by name throughout his letters, and writes one directly to St. Polycarp by name (who indeed was later martyred. In fact the first matyrdom we have).
When Pope Victor threatened to excommuicate the Church of Asia, the Fathers wrote letters rebuking him.
Nestorius will be over joyed to hear that.
He called for all the bishops. Vigilius was a bishop.
Including filioque?