Why doesn't the Catholic Church call Islam the error/heresy that it is?

[Asimis]

This easy going and politically correct attitude of the Catholic Church with regards to Islam is one of the reasons we are in the current state we are now when it comes to Islam; where nobody can criticize it without serious repercusions, where any real dialogue and reform seems impossible and where the Islamists carry on with impunity.

When Islam considers Catholicism a false religion and neither radicals nor so called “moderates” compromize on their beliefs (they are all fine with sharia law, stonning for adultery, stonning of gays, death penalty for apostasy, etc) it is baffling how the west in general and the Catholic Church in particular so willingly bend over to appease them. These people do not care about your attempsts at solidarity and multiculturalism, they are very clear on their goals and beliefs and their values are not compatible with western or let alone Catholic values.

The lack of action to counteract this from the part of the Catholic Church is mindblowing and is one of the reasons why we are on the mess we are now; they are like a sheep willingly going to the slaugher.

 

[rcwitness]

Not sure what you believe is a wise answer to the situation:shrug:

Islam surely knows the Catholic Church’s stance on a religion which rejects Jesus as the Son of God. But it will always be for the individuals raised in these religions, who are unaware of the Gospel, that the Church does not judge.

St Paul Taught us, in Scripture, it is not those outside the Church we are to Judge, but those inside. This means trying to compel individuals to a conversion of heart through charity.

Actually, it’s the genuine members of its own religion who have the duty to deal firmly with radicals. And, I believe, if they sea to do this honestly, they will come to realize that Christianity is able to produce this change over their own religion.

 

[Son_of_Niall]

This easy going and politically correct attitude of the Catholic Church with regards to Islam is one of the reasons we are in the current state we are now when it comes to Islam; where nobody can criticize it without serious repercusions, where any real dialogue and reform seems impossible and where the Islamists carry on with impunity.

When Islam considers Catholicism a false religion and neither radicals nor so called “moderates” compromize on their beliefs (they are all fine with sharia law, stonning for adultery, stonning of gays, death penalty for apostasy, etc) it is baffling how the west in general and the Catholic Church in particular so willingly bend over to appease them. These people do not care about your attempsts at solidarity and multiculturalism, they are very clear on their goals and beliefs and their values are not compatible with western or let alone Catholic values.

The lack of action to counteract this from the part of the Catholic Church is mindblowing and is one of the reasons why we are on the mess we are now; they are like a sheep willingly going to the slaugher.

Been watching Fox “news” again?

 

[hadulzo]

Been watching Fox “news” again?

Correct me if I am wrong but Mohammed was not a member of the Church so it is not heresy.

 

[commenter]

This easy going and politically correct attitude of the Catholic Church with regards to Islam is one of the reasons we are in the current state we are now when it comes to Islam; where nobody can criticize it without serious repercusions, where any real dialogue and reform seems impossible and where the Islamists carry on with impunity.

When Islam considers Catholicism a false religion and neither radicals nor so called “moderates” compromize on their beliefs (they are all fine with sharia law, stonning for adultery, stonning of gays, death penalty for apostasy, etc) it is baffling how the west in general and the Catholic Church in particular so willingly bend over to appease them. These people do not care about your attempsts at solidarity and multiculturalism, they are very clear on their goals and beliefs and their values are not compatible with western or let alone Catholic values.

The lack of action to counteract this from the part of the Catholic Church is mindblowing and is one of the reasons why we are on the mess we are now; they are like a sheep willingly going to the slaugher.

Be careful to differentiate between the Catholic Church and “the west”. The power structure of “the West”, the government and media is mostly opposed to us.

The Church will not be able to convert Islam, nor stop Islam. We sometimes are able to convert individual Muslims, and we should actively try. What is holding us back with Muslims, and everyone else, is widespread ignorance among Catholics of Catholic doctrine.

No one authority speaks for all Islam, but in general Islam is mostly, not totally, in agreement with Catholicism on abortion and same-sex “marriage”. In other words, American Catholics are closer to Islam than they are to most of the US government, and the all-powerful US Media, on 2 major issues.

None of this minimizes the need for screening and security.

 

[commenter]

Correct me if I am wrong but Mohammed was not a member of the Church so it is not heresy.

Well, Hilaire Belloc, perhaps the most important Catholic writer on history in the first part of the 20th century, included him as a heretic. True, he was not Christian, but selectively took some Christian beliefs, omitted most, and changed the gospel accounts. He wrote a lot about Jesus, and Mary.

Read Belloc’s description of Mohammed, and Protestants like Calvin. Almost a century ago he observed the Islamic world slumbering, ruled over by other people, and predicted they would rise and be assertive.

 

[DeniseNY]

Been watching Fox “news” again?

That’s such an intellectually lazy answer.

Fox is in my viewing rotation and I’ve never heard anyone refer to Islam as a “heresy”. If you have a link to newscast where such a thing was stated (and mind you, not an opinion show), please include it.

If not… fail.

 

[Path_Finder]

Been watching Fox “news” again?

That’s a rather unkind smear on a statement of someone just engaging in discussions which these forums are about. Does everyone need permission to think and speak? If it is about mudslinging, name a source you recommend and I’m sure we can find fault with that though it would be irrelevant to the topic at hand.

 

[Path_Finder]

That’s such an intellectually lazy answer.

Fox is in my viewing rotation and I’ve never heard anyone refer to Islam as a “heresy”. If you have a link to newscast where such a thing was stated (and mind you, not an opinion show), please include it.

If not… fail.

Really, this isn’t even the news forum and one’s unique contribution to a discussion on “non-Catholic religions” is that??

For the record, one can find a number of Christians who say this same thing. Such statements seem to do nothing but seem to display a prejudicial slant.

 

[DeniseNY]

Really, this isn’t even the news forum and one’s unique contribution to a discussion on “non-Catholic religions” is that??

Well, there was the obligatory passive aggressive smiley added, so that must make it ok.

 

[commenter]

Been watching Fox “news” again?

People have been criticizing this poster. But I would rather this poster keep returning here, and pick up some other ideas, and I am interested in what they have to add.

 

[Neofight]

That’s such an intellectually lazy answer.

Fox is in my viewing rotation and I’ve never heard anyone refer to Islam as a “heresy”. If you have a link to newscast where such a thing was stated (and mind you, not an opinion show), please include it.

If not… fail.

I agree…FOX News seems to know as little about Catholicism as it does Islam…I cringe everyone they speak of the Church, and can only assume they misrepresent Islam as well.

 

[Path_Finder]

Well, there was the obligatory passive aggressive smiley added, so that must make it ok.

For the record, Fox News has what are probably a number of Catholics, some practicing and perhaps some not, O’Reilly, Hannity, Cavuto, Napolitano, Judge Jeannine. One really should be compelled to affirm their statement or if not able, to be shown to be making arbitrary smears against others in a totally irrelevant manner.

One could see this type of action being done against people of a certain skin-color and so on. Rather revolting.

 

[pepipop]

This easy going and politically correct attitude of the Catholic Church with regards to Islam is one of the reasons we are in the current state we are now when it comes to Islam; where nobody can criticize it without serious repercusions, where any real dialogue and reform seems impossible and where the Islamists carry on with impunity.

When Islam considers Catholicism a false religion and neither radicals nor so called “moderates” compromize on their beliefs (they are all fine with sharia law, stonning for adultery, stonning of gays, death penalty for apostasy, etc) it is baffling how the west in general and the Catholic Church in particular so willingly bend over to appease them. These people do not care about your attempsts at solidarity and multiculturalism, they are very clear on their goals and beliefs and their values are not compatible with western or let alone Catholic values.

The lack of action to counteract this from the part of the Catholic Church is mindblowing and is one of the reasons why we are on the mess we are now; they are like a sheep willingly going to the slaugher.

What can the CC do about it? They’re terrorists fighting under the guise of Islam. They’re not ordinary, practicing Muslims going about their business, and they also kill more Muslims than Christians.

Jews and Protestants do not view Catholicism as correct either.

People are born into the Muslim faith, and some also into Muslim countries, e.g. Saudi Arabia. That’s not their choice, and in somewhere like SA they will know ‘very’ little about Christianity - if at all. Just as others are born Catholic, Protestant, etc… in Western countries. All can get to heaven - their religion of birth is not a deterrent.

Islam worships the God of Abraham, as does the Jewish religion and people cannot be ‘tarred’ nor ‘changed’ because of their place, or religion at birth.

 

[Path_Finder]

I agree…FOX News seems to know as little about Catholicism as it does Islam…I cringe everyone they speak of the Church, and can only assume they misrepresent Islam as well.

Cite examples if you are so sure.

I call total bunk, BUNK with capital letters, sometimes Fox has carried live broadcasts of the Holy Father as when he was in the Phillipines, a number of their broadcasters are Catholic, Hannity, O’Reilly, Cavuto who it sounds like is in fact, very devout. Napolitano and Judge Jeannine.

These smears if not substantiated really seem like hate-mongering and add nothing to the conversation but perhaps this is symptomatic of the Left and (off-topic) those who vote against Life in the DNC. As they say,

“Put up” etc.

I believe we have a history of wild statements made and not backed up, ever, e-v-e-r, this sinister outlook should be noted.

 

[Neofight]

For the record, Fox News has what are probably a number of Catholics, some practicing and perhaps some not, O’Reilly, Hannity, Cavuto, Napolitano, Judge Jeannine. One really should be compelled to affirm their statement or if not able, to be shown to be making arbitrary smears against others in a totally irrelevant manner.

One could see this type of action being done against people of a certain skin-color and so on. Rather revolting.

That’s like saying the Demsare somehow the party of good Catholics because they have Kerry, Biden, and Polosi.

 

[Path_Finder]

This is a confirmed rabbit hole, no proof of the off-topic character assassination will be affirmed, this has repeated itself before.

 

[Path_Finder]

That’s like saying the Demsare somehow the party of good Catholics because they have Kerry, Biden, and Polosi.

Evading the initial matter and Fox News is not the topic of this discussion but if people have proof which shamefully, they don’t, put it up!

I guess it is uncharitable to say lies but apparently, the act may happen without any kind of action to it and really, just shows a form of bullying others.

 

[Neofight]

Cite examples if you are so sure.

I call total bunk, BUNK with capital letters, sometimes Fox has carried live broadcasts of the Holy Father as when he was in the Phillipines, a number of their broadcasters are Catholic, Hannity, O’Reilly, Cavuto who it sounds like is in fact, very devout. Napolitano and Judge Jeannine.

These smears if not substantiated really seem like hate-mongering and add nothing to the conversation but perhaps this is symptomatic of the Left and (off-topic) those who vote against Life in the DNC. As they say,

“Put up” etc.

I believe we have a history of wild statements made and not backed up, ever, e-v-e-r, this sinister outlook should be noted.

See orielly’s trashing of the pope in his 23 Sep 2015 talking points and get back to us!

 

[Path_Finder]

That’s like saying the Demsare somehow the party of good Catholics because they have Kerry, Biden, and Polosi.

No it’s not, all of those are very anti-life and obviously, go against the precepts of the Catholic Church.

But sneaking suspicion I have, those criticizing Fox are the first ones to vote against the Sanctity of life.