Why doesn't the Church have the power to ordain women to the priesthood?

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Little_One0307 said:
Jwinch2,

I would be bugged. Hence my orginal reply to you. I would talk to your pastor about it. If you have a problem, I would even approach the Bishop after everything has been exhuasted. At least you are getting the truth out there. And that is good.

I will be praying for this situation. Keep me updated with it as new things develop. You are more than welcome to PM me if you wish.

God bless.
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Thanks. The Pastor of the Catholic center weighed in last night in three long posts and pretty much squashed her down in a very polite, but effective way. I plan on speaking with him privately about the situation when he gets back from vacation next week. I have also consulted with a couple of people in the parish who are considering options for bringing this to the pastor’s attention. He is new (less than three weeks) so no one is too sure how he will respond to such things or what type of personality he is when it comes to confrontation.

I have a tendency to argue and to seek out confrontation when I get my back up so I have to be careful. Unfortunately, I am very good at both. With that in mind, I spent a good deal of time yesterday asking God if this is what he wants me to do. Am I supposed to fight these things when I see them? Does He want me to engage on this or just live my faith? Its hard to know, when it is so easy to cross over into sinning in situations like this.

I appreciate the help and prayers!

Jason
 
jwinch2 said:
Thanks. The Pastor of the Catholic center weighed in last night in three long posts and pretty much squashed her down in a very polite, but effective way. I plan on speaking with him privately about the situation when he gets back from vacation next week. I have also consulted with a couple of people in the parish who are considering options for bringing this to the pastor’s attention. He is new (less than three weeks) so no one is too sure how he will respond to such things or what type of personality he is when it comes to confrontation.

I have a tendency to argue and to seek out confrontation when I get my back up so I have to be careful. Unfortunately, I am very good at both. With that in mind, I spent a good deal of time yesterday asking God if this is what he wants me to do. Am I supposed to fight these things when I see them? Does He want me to engage on this or just live my faith? Its hard to know, when it is so easy to cross over into sinning in situations like this.

I appreciate the help and prayers!

Jason
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Jason,

I believe you are doing the right thing here. We are called to defend our faith at all times and to live it. And living it means exposing things that are contrary to the Faith. The Church has been doing it for 2000 years, Jesus confronted the Pharisees of His day, can we do any less.

Yes I will continue praying for you.

God bless.
 
ConstantineTG said:
No, Deacons receive an full, entire Holy Orders. There is no such thing as a portion of Holy Orders. One is ordained into one of the three levels of Holy Orders, but each ordination is full in itself and not a portion of something. There are no “half sacraments”.
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Yeah, you are right.
 
Seatuck said:
Yeah, you are right.
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Actually, this is a common error made by the faithful. There are still Catholics that are confused about the ministry of deacons, in spite of their ordinations over the past 40 years.

When you read scripture, New Testament, you find the deacons very actively engaged in evangelizing. The first Martyr of the Church was a deacon. St. Francis of Assisi was a deacon.
 
Jack_Bauer said:
Actually, this is a common error made by the faithful. There are still Catholics that are confused about the ministry of deacons, in spite of their ordinations over the past 40 years.

When you read scripture, New Testament, you find the deacons very actively engaged in evangelizing. The first Martyr of the Church was a deacon. St. Francis of Assisi was a deacon.
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I just worded it badly. I was thinking about our seminarians who are ordained to the Diaconate first before Priesthood.
 
Seatuck said:
I just worded it badly. I was thinking about our seminarians who are ordained to the Diaconate first before Priesthood.
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I understand. Seminarians ready and approved for ordination are first ordained to the temporal diaconate. I’ve never really understood the temporary part of the ordination. How can it be temporary? It sounds like a bishop could temporarily ordain someone to the priesthood as well then. Just odd to me. Either you’re a deacon … or your not. Now the bishop can take away his faculties, and that would make sense. But let’s say that later on the man ordained to the temporal diaconate is married, has children, and discerns the permanent diacoante. Would he have to be ordained all over again? Now, that’s an interesting question to dig into.
 
Jack_Bauer said:
I understand. Seminarians ready and approved for ordination are first ordained to the temporal diaconate. I’ve never really understood the temporary part of the ordination. How can it be temporary? It sounds like a bishop could temporarily ordain someone to the priesthood as well then. Just odd to me. Either you’re a deacon … or your not. Now the bishop can take away his faculties, and that would make sense. But let’s say that later on the man ordained to the temporal diaconate is married, has children, and discerns the permanent diacoante. Would he have to be ordained all over again? Now, that’s an interesting question to dig into.
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I am confused about this too. What is the difference between the temporal and permanent diaconate. Also, I met a woman who said that she is a “Catholic Chaplain”. Is that possible? Thanks and blessings!
 
rainbow1 said:
I am confused about this too. What is the difference between the temporal and permanent diaconate. Also, I met a woman who said that she is a “Catholic Chaplain”. Is that possible? Thanks and blessings!
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Lay Catholic Chaplain. This is a sign of the times. This is a serious sign of priest shortage.
 
Jack_Bauer said:
Lay Catholic Chaplain. This is a sign of the times. This is a serious sign of priest shortage.
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Jack, I just looked it up on line and there is a site for the National Association of Catholic Chaplains…
Has anyone else heard of this?
 
Annabelle_Marie said:
A priest is a stand in for Christ…Christ was male…end of story.

Oh and I’m female…but the fact that the priesthood is for males only does not bother me in the least…because it is the way that Christ designed it…🤷
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I can add another dimension to this discussion. I am female and WAS an ordained United Methodist Clergywoman before becoming Catholic. I studied like crazy and felt the church didn’t just “refuse” to ordain women, it examined and wrestled with the question and came to their stand after many things were presented/considered/examined. That’s what I love about the church. It is not afraid to challenge itself over and over.

Lorrie:thumbsup:
 
I initially posted this message when seeking an opinion from somebody in another sub-forum. There is something on which I would value your opinion. In Romans 16:1-2 (D-R), St Paul says, ‘And I commend to you Phebe, our sister, who is in the ministry of the church, that is in Cenchrae: that you receive her in the Lord as becometh saints; and that you assist her in whatsoever business she shall have need of you. For she also hath assisted many, and myself also.’ In the same passage in the NRSV-CE, Phebe is referred to as 'a deacon’l** [footnote]‘l or minister’. Does St Paul imply that Phebe was, in fact, an ordained member of clergy?:hmmm:

I would be grateful if you could enlighten me on this. That said, if she was indeed ordained, those of us who favour the ordination of women will consider that ‘if it’s good enough for St Paul …’

Peace.
 
melbanglican said:
I initially posted this message when seeking an opinion from somebody in another sub-forum. There is something on which I would value your opinion. In Romans 16:1-2 (D-R), St Paul says, ‘And I commend to you Phebe, our sister, who is in the ministry of the church, that is in Cenchrae: that you receive her in the Lord as becometh saints; and that you assist her in whatsoever business she shall have need of you. For she also hath assisted many, and myself also.’ In the same passage in the NRSV-CE, Phebe is referred to as 'a deacon’l** [footnote]‘l or minister’. Does St Paul imply that Phebe was, in fact, an ordained member of clergy?:hmmm:

I would be grateful if you could enlighten me on this. That said, if she was indeed ordained, those of us who favour the ordination of women will consider that ‘if it’s good enough for St Paul …’

Peace.
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This is no news to me. It is already widely known today that many women were used as ministers similar to a deacon, but not with the same ordination. They were not ordained. The were commissioned you might say. I dug deep into this several years ago as I was interested to see where it led. What I discovered in the ancient church writings of the early Christians, bishops were warned not to lay hands on them as if they were being ordained, because it would give people the wrong impression.

The women were entitle deaconess in the sense that they were servants. In those days, it was scandalous for men to touch a woman, particularly if she was being dunked in water or anointed with oil, part of the initiation rites. I’ll try to find the links of the writers in which I’m referring. I believe that the links point to Catholic Answers library. However, those same documents should be found in other than Catholic websites.

If it is discovered without contradicting Church teaching, then i would have no problem with it. However, I really believe that this issues has been settled in the Catholic Church. I believe that those women acted more like sisters in the Church. They may have taken vows.
 
I’m doing more research this time and I’ve run across some interesting information.
 
Elizium23 said:
Just a reminder that the person being ordained is the subject of the sacrament, not the matter. The matter of Holy Orders is the imposition of hands.
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In his Catechetical Instructions, St. Thomas Aquinas contends that the matter of the sacrament is the instrument particular to the order, e.g. the chalice for the presbyterate. The Catholic Encyclopedia admits this as a possibility but says that the imposition of hands is widely considered to be the sole matter, and this is the teaching in modern times. I can find no document whatsoever that says the ordinand is the matter of the sacrament.
 
StrawberryJam said:
The US Conference of Catholic Bishops is a lay organization?

Since when?
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:rotfl:

Well, that was a bit ambiguous I see now. I mean that on the USCCB website, the organization for Chaplains is a lay apostolate recognized by the USCCB.
 
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