Why don't Catholic Q&A people answer my question?

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For the last few years I have asked EWTN and you to answer this question: Is it possible for the Church make an educated guess as to the age of mankind?

Scripture, it would seem, gives a sort of “begat” history as to how many thousands of years ago Adam and Eve lived–10, 20, 30, 40 thousand years ago? If that assumption on my part is not true, it would be nice if, at least, I could get a “no it’s not possible.”

Is there something about my question that makes folks like you run away from it?

Please feel free to edit my question or at least send me an e-mail telling me not to hold my breath waiting for a reply.

Thanks and God bless this great site.
 
For the last few years I have asked EWTN and you to answer this question: Is it possible for the Church make an educated guess as to the age of mankind?

Scripture, it would seem, gives a sort of “begat” history as to how many thousands of years ago Adam and Eve lived–10, 20, 30, 40 thousand years ago? If that assumption on my part is not true, it would be nice if, at least, I could get a “no it’s not possible.”

Is there something about my question that makes folks like you run away from it?

Please feel free to edit my question or at least send me an e-mail telling me not to hold my breath waiting for a reply.

Thanks and God bless this great site.
That question makes about as much sense as asking a scientist to make an educated guess as to how transubstantiation is possible. 😉
 
For the last few years I have asked EWTN and you to answer this question: Is it possible for the Church make an educated guess as to the age of mankind?

Scripture, it would seem, gives a sort of “begat” history as to how many thousands of years ago Adam and Eve lived–10, 20, 30, 40 thousand years ago? If that assumption on my part is not true, it would be nice if, at least, I could get a “no it’s not possible.”

Is there something about my question that makes folks like you run away from it?

Please feel free to edit my question or at least send me an e-mail telling me not to hold my breath waiting for a reply.

Thanks and God bless this great site.
Dear KSU,
I don’t think you can get an answer from the"Church" educated guess or not. There are many in the Church who can guess, many who are educated, and probobly all have an opinion. There is no one guy who is the designated answer man, though.My guess although not very educated , is that man is at least 6000 years old and not more than 200,000 years old. I’m talking about Homo Sapiens. Please don’t hold your breath.
 
For the last few years I have asked EWTN and you to answer this question: Is it possible for the Church make an educated guess as to the age of mankind?

Scripture, it would seem, gives a sort of “begat” history as to how many thousands of years ago Adam and Eve lived–10, 20, 30, 40 thousand years ago? If that assumption on my part is not true, it would be nice if, at least, I could get a “no it’s not possible.”

Is there something about my question that makes folks like you run away from it?

Please feel free to edit my question or at least send me an e-mail telling me not to hold my breath waiting for a reply.

Thanks and God bless this great site.
Why are you wanting to know? There are some 'estimates" based upon the begats… but that presupposes the purpose [or one of them] of scripture is to be a calendar or historical timeline of creation to … some historical event …

The fact is that just looking at the time based upon the begats plus 7 - 24 hour days of creation is problematic as science [and reason] tells a different story …

I would propose to you that th purpose of scripture is not either a calendar or a timeline … the writitngs do of course fal into a historical time and they record events in addition to their primary purpose …

The primary purpose of the scriptures is “relational” … As the Creator [God’s] realtionship with His created [Us] and Our relationship with our Creator …
 
For the last few years I have asked EWTN and you to answer this question: Is it possible for the Church make an educated guess as to the age of mankind?

Scripture, it would seem, gives a sort of “begat” history as to how many thousands of years ago Adam and Eve lived–10, 20, 30, 40 thousand years ago? If that assumption on my part is not true, it would be nice if, at least, I could get a “no it’s not possible.”

Is there something about my question that makes folks like you run away from it?

Please feel free to edit my question or at least send me an e-mail telling me not to hold my breath waiting for a reply.

Thanks and God bless this great site.
I don’t think your question is an unreasonable one since many people through the centuries have asked the same question. However, it is not possible for the Church (or anyone else) to give an “educated” guess on biblical pre-historical events like the lives of Adam and Eve because to do so would require looking at the Bible in in an uneducated, literalistic way. The Bible was not meant to provide us with an accurate chronology of events in world history because it isn’t crucial to our salvation to know this. As Augustine said, “God gave us Scripture not to tell us how the heavens go, but how to go to heaven.”

That hasn’t stopped many people in the past from attempting to calculate historical events based solely on the Scriptures. I think the most well know example is that of the Irish Protestant Bishop James Ussher, who in the 17th century added up all the information in the Bible as you suggest and determined that the date of Creation to have been around October 23, 4004 B.C.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology
 
jmcdzzz, why the snark? My question was asked in good faith, but it took almost two years to get an answer from orthodox Catholic on-line Q&A sites.
I lived in Arlington, VA and attended Mass there in the early seventies. I recall reading a commentary in a monthly (or perhaps longer period) Mass booklet that said modern man has been around for about 35,000 years. I never again saw another Church-sponsored publication or speaker give such an estimate, and I have been wondering about it ever since.
So, two years ago I began asking on line whether the Church/orthodox Catholic scientists actually had an unofficial estimate. No one gave me a reply.
I am fully aware of what the Bible is and isn’t–remember jmcdzzz, we Catholics wrote it! Remember, too, that the Catholic Church invented, protected and nurtured what today is regarded by secularists as the great god Science. So if anyone could have an unofficial estimate of the age of modern man, why couldn’t it be faithful Catholic scientists? Ergo, what is ( apparently to you) my ridiculous question.
If you prefer to believe in the possibility or likelihood that Adam and Eve were the great, great fore bearers of some kind of monkey that became us, knock yourself out. I don’t have a problem with that, but I prefer to know whether Catholic scientists are able to narrow that down a tad.
 
I am fully aware of what the Bible is and isn’t–remember jmcdzzz, we Catholics wrote it!
I didn’t know Moses was Catholic. I guess the Church is older than I thought.
 
Catholics have attempted to speculation how old the earth is. The Early Church Fathers did. But obviously there is not any “infallible” speculations. I get the sense that you feel as if Catholics are sort of too cowardly to deal with some topics.:confused:

Specific Statements Made by the Early Church Writers Concerning the Age of the Earth

Clement of Alexandria c. 150- c. 215
5 592(BC) Date of Creation of Adam
Miscellanies 1.21

Julius Africanus c.160-240
5 500(BC) Date of Creation of Adam
Chronology, Fragment 1

Hippolytus of Rome 170-236
5 500(BC) Date of Creation of Adam
Daniel, 4

Origen 185-253
10 000(BC) Date of Creation of Adam
Celsus, 1.20

Eusebius of Caesarea 263-339
5 228(BC) Date of Creation of Adam
Chronicle

Augustine of Hippo 354-430
5 600(BC) Date of Creation of Adam
City 12.11
 
For the last few years I have asked EWTN and you to answer this question: Is it possible for the Church make an educated guess as to the age of mankind?

Scripture, it would seem, gives a sort of “begat” history as to how many thousands of years ago Adam and Eve lived–10, 20, 30, 40 thousand years ago? If that assumption on my part is not true, it would be nice if, at least, I could get a “no it’s not possible.”
No, it’s not possible from scripture.

I’m not even sure why you are interested. DNA analysis has given a lot of information about the origins of human groups in SE Africa – hint, we’re all African descendents, no matter what our skin color.

The time estimates go back about 50-60,000 years.

You are 13.7 billion years old, at least. The matter in your body originated in the big bang, if not before bb. Your biological age is the commonly accepted birth date, which you can see, is very relative.
 
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Scripture, it would seem, gives a sort of “begat” history as to how many thousands of years ago Adam and Eve lived–10, 20, 30, 40 thousand years ago?

Is there something about my question that makes folks like you run away from it?
The “begats” have a purpose originating in divine inspiration to instruct the Jews (and Catholics) about our origins (in general) and to teach theology.

Genesis 1,1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth (this from memory).

See? It’s a theological writing, right off the bat. It assumes or demands faith, right off the bat. It’s obvious that the person who wrote Genesis was not there for the events that are described.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church says that Genesis is a figurative account, based on pre-historic real events.

It is not a history book or a science book, as we understand them in the modern sense.

I picked up a book of “best” sermons on sale once, and there was a sermon about Genesis and the account of Creation, credited traditionally to Moses (but disputed).

You have to read Genesis chap 1-4 maybe to appreciate this. Moses was living in Egypt and was exposed to the pagan idol worship there. The Egyptian creation story told how the universe was created when an egg with wings was flying around and then hatched.

The point of Genesis is to reveal that the sun and moon and animals that were worshiped in Egypt were NOT gods, but they were objects of creation. Genesis lays out the fundamental belief that God is the creator – as well as other points.

It takes a lot of study to parse out all the lessons embedded in Genesis.

For example, I was up late last night with insomnia and mulling over these same chapters in Genesis. I don’t claim that this is an original thought, but here goes. Look at how God speaks in Genesis 1 – he gives these commands and they are immediately carried out to completion. On and on. We get to the account of Adam and Eve and God gives a command to them, to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. What do you know? They disobey God.

There you go. That’s the main dilemma of the whole Bible, that mankind disobeys God. One of the repeated lessons in the Bible is that we ARE to obey God.

The purpose of Genesis is theological.

EWTN and these forums involve all kinds of people, who are “running away” from your question only in your perception. There is no duty here to answer anybody’s question, in particular.

But, it is a demand of Christian charity and evangelization to do so. We all have different gifts, time constraints, interests, etc. and there’s the chance that the “right people” are just not looking at your question.

May I mention that there is a bit of a “tone” in your question, disparaging people here and there. Perhaps that has something to do with a low response to your question.

These forums are so large now, after a couple years, the same questions get asked over and over, and people get worn out answering the same questions over and over.

From your point of view, it’s overwhelming to try to do a search and find exactly what you’re looking for.

But, it is worth answering your question if you are honestly and earnestly looking for the truth.

EWTN, as they note in their website, overwhelmed with questions. I tried to submit a question and all the mailboxes were filled and wouldn’t accept any more.

The Bible has that character that it draws us in to good questions like yours. It’s good to pray to the Holy Spirit who inspired the writing. Also, briefly, try to learn patience and maintain respect for others.
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You may get statements from Catholics in history, even saints, like COPLAND3 showed. But “the Church” will not make such a guess as an authoritative body because it’s not considered a matter of divine revelation pertaining to faith or morals. 🙂
 
I didn’t know Moses was Catholic. I guess the Church is older than I thought.
The Church is alot older than Moses. St. Paul tells us that it is older than creation itself. See Ephesians 1.

CDL
 
For the last few years I have asked EWTN and you to answer this question: Is it possible for the Church make an educated guess as to the age of mankind?

Scripture, it would seem, gives a sort of “begat” history as to how many thousands of years ago Adam and Eve lived–10, 20, 30, 40 thousand years ago? If that assumption on my part is not true, it would be nice if, at least, I could get a “no it’s not possible.”

Is there something about my question that makes folks like you run away from it?

Please feel free to edit my question or at least send me an e-mail telling me not to hold my breath waiting for a reply.

Thanks and God bless this great site.
I dunno. You have only 6 posts listed. How much asking have you done here at CAF?
 
You cant even take Genesis at face value for ages as it couldnt even get mans average age correct :-

(a) God decided that the life span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3)

(b) Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived
433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16)
 
I didn’t know Moses was Catholic. I guess the Church is older than I thought.
Right!

Insofar as the Church, the body of Christ, is the divinely appointed home of all mankind in Jesus Christ, its head, ALL the Old Testament saints were “Catholic” by virtue of their faith.

Galatians 3 tells us that God “preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham” and those who shared the faith of Abraham participated in the righteousness of faith.

Faith in God, Who is eternal, is not limited to time and place. “Abraham believed God.” Therefore, Abraham believed Christ. In the Eastern Church St. Abraham, St. Moses, St. Elijah all have feast days on the liturgical calendar. In the Latin tradition, when we pray the Litany of the Saints, all the patriarchs and prophets are named either individually or collectively.
 
To expand on my previous remarks about the “begats” in scripture.

Briefly, the lineages and geneologies start with Adam and as far as I can tell, they lead up to and end with Jesus Christ. That’s the big picture.

The promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and to David, for example, for descendents as countless as the stars in the heavens and the sands on the shore, as well as a prophet greater than Moses, and an eternal king on the throne of David – all are fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

The promises and geneologies were surely intended to make the Jews faithful to God, trust in God, and wait for God. But, over and again in the OT we witness God’s disappointment and anger with Israel for apostacy, idol worship, etc. but God is faithful to his covenants and promises, which are fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

The geneologies in Mt and Lk show their climax and fulfillment in Jesus Christ.

The “begats” with their lineages were also supposed to be important to the tribes of Israel, to maintain their identity, their divine purposes such as the Levites and Sons of Aaron running the temple worship and sacrifices. The ownership of land in Canaan was supposed to run along by the lineage of the tribes.

The whole issue is most easily addressed by reading the entire Old Testament, if one has not done so already.

On an individual basis, the geneologies reminded the people who they were, God’s “chosen” people. It should have reminded them of their covenant with God.

To the OP: Your question is simply a very large, but fundamental question. It appears that you impose a condition or restriction that scripture provide you with the total of years since creation, which is a matter that is not exhaustively or definitively given in the text of scripture.

Your underlying scripture question is one that goes on the list of many such questions that we may want to ask the Lord in etermity. But, one must keep in mind the lesson of Is.55, that God’s ways are not our ways, His ways are way above our ways. (and elsewhere, that ) We should not put the Lord our God to the test.

Hear, O Israel, the LORD is our God, the LORD alone!***
Dt 6,4
 
Per mercygate: “I dunno. You have only 6 posts listed. How much asking have you done here at CAF?”

Just once on Ask an Apologist, per instructions, and one private e-mail to the Administrator.

Per COPLAND 3: “I get the sense that you feel as if Catholics are sort of too cowardly to deal with some topics.”

I don’t just feel that way; it’s an absolute fact. Even Peter wasn’t immune, so it should not be surprising that some modern Catholics with less faith absolutely wallow in cowardness.

Per AmbroseSJ: “[Your] question makes about as much sense as asking a scientist to make an educated guess as to how transubstantiation is possible.”

Nope. With respect, my friend, it’s more like asking a Church scientist in 1616 to make an educated guess as to how the Book of Joshua could be not literally true about the sun. The age of mankind, like the sun, belongs to the material world. Yet, as shown above by, for example, COPLAND 3, the question has been of considerable interest to the Church, not just your humble servant. Recall, too, that the Bible was and is a considerable aid to science.
 
Well, KSU, I spent some good minutes putting in something for you to think about, and you’ve been here without commenting on anythingn I said.

Touche.

You are now ignoring me who has given you an answer, one answer at least. You wanted ANYBODY to give you an answer, and I did.

What? you are now so outraged that you won’t pay attention to anything anybody says?

Catholics are cowardly? Gee, and nobody else is? Maybe you just asked a good question and it takes some time to figure things out and how to explain it to you.

As I said before, this website is so large, with millions of posts, it’s a small miracle that anybody even finds your post, to begin with.

There are corners of this website that I never go to. And, I’m sure that not many hang out in Sacred Scripture, either.

I can tell that some regular members are educated in church topics, but I don’t get that feeling about many. In part I’m saying, your expectations are too high. You have to just wait and see what happens.
 
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