Why don't Catholics look to ban contraception?

[Elizium23]

Abortion murders preborn babies, and by banning abortion, we protect the innocent. Abortion kills no matter who chooses to do it.

 

[TimothyH]

I don’t know where you’ve been but many people here on CAF lump contraception with abortion and try to clause that into their efforts to have abortion banned. I think you just haven’t been hanging out on CAF long enough to have seen those particular posts but they pop up quite frequently so you will see them soon enough.

As to Catholics looking to have it banned legally, remember that the US represents many cultures and religions and the Catholic religion is the only religion with such strict rules regarding artificial birth control. Most other religions allow it in many different circumstances. Our laws in this country are not to be based on the teachings of any one religion. We don’t have a national religion. By passing some law to outlaw all artificial birth control, the law would dictate to people of all religions to follow Catholic laws, and this country won’t have that. So it’s really a losing battle.

We do more than put contraception into the same bucket as abortion. We recognize that contraception and the society of recreational sex which it has created is the root casue of abortion.

Get rid of contraception and all the symtoms of a recreational sex society fix themselves to a greater or lesser extent. Abortion, fatherless children, porn addiction, teenage pregnancy, and a whole host of other social ills are the product of a society which views sex not only as a first ammendment right but as a recreational activity like playing golf or riding a bike. The culture of recreational sex is enabled mostly through contraception.

It’s more than contraception hitching a ride on the abortion bandwagon. Its a realization of contraception is the root cause of many of these problems.

-Tim-

 

[TimothyH]

It surely does but it’s far from the source of all moral ills. Divorce was rampant in Roman society. Polygamy was perfectly normal in many ancient societies and continues to be allowed in the Islamic world and in non-Christian parts of Africa. Prostitution is the oldest profession. Infidelity has been around nearly as long as fidelity. Pornography has been around since we could paint pictures and write.

Should we ban affairs on punishment of imprisonment? Ludicrous, though I might be in favor of an aggrieved party being able to obtain a civil judgment of some kind. Sex/pornography addiction and masturbation is emasculating men in our society and destroying marriages left and right. Should we slap bans on these things? And if so, how the heck can we enforce it? And why should the Church define right or wrong in a country where 75% of the populace is not Catholic and we all have guaranteed rights to our religious beliefs?

There is no such thing as private sin. All sins hurt individuals, families and communities. But it’s insane to think we could use the force of law to curtail sin. The force of law should be used to curtail actions that impinge on our personal rights to life, liberty and property. That’s it.

No.

25% of males were not addicted to pornography in ancient cultures, masturbating five times a day. 70% of Roman children were not born into fatherless homes. Polygamy was the exception, not the norm in most cultures. Men didn’t marry men and walk around the street groping each other like they do in Vermont and San Francisco.

Porn addiction finds its root in the demand for recreational sex, and that was caused by he widespread acceptance, availablity and eventual use of contraceptives. It started in 1930 when the Anglican Church became the first Church in the history of Christendom to say that contraception was not a sin. Mr. and Mrs Smith brought condoms into the bedroom in the 50’s so that they could have a perfect 2.5 children and a new car in the driveway. Butchering unborn infants became legal a generation after that.

Sex has been around since creation, but not all societies had these problems to the extent we do. We put Trojans on the shelf at the WalMart, right next to the Flintstone’s Vitamins. Look what we are teaching our kids!

catholicexchange.com/contraception-the-bacteria-devouring-americas-soul/

-Tim-

 

[Rence]

Contraception is intrinsically evil according to Catholicism. So why don’t Catholics look to ban it? They think that gay marriage should be outlawed, so why not contraception? Why the double standard?

You see? There is no double standard. Catholics are trying to get contraceptives banned too. You just haven’t come across those posts yet apparently

 

[TimothyH]

Perhaps it’s because, while being clear about one’s position on certain issues has positive effects on how one is perceived, ‘declaring a war and nobody came’ would be embarrassing?

Somone should have told John the Baptist.

***A voice of one crying out in the wilderness; ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make straight his paths.’" ***

Being beheaded is so embarrassing.

-Tim-

 

[JimG]

Do you have any evidence of this at all? I highly doubt that there is any real evidence that contraception hurts marriages.

Yes. I’ve given several references to Mary Eberstadt’s book which is mostly filled with statistics about the dreadful results of the sexual revolution. And the title of the book refers to the fact that the sexual revolution was enabled by the widespread availability of contraception. Sex educators who continue to extol the benefits of the sexual revolution in the face of adverse facts are like people pounding themselves in the head with a hammer and praising what a great thing the hammer is.

Eberstadt’s book: amazon.com/Adam-Eve-After-Pill-Revolution/dp/1586176277

But Eberstadt covers only the results of the recent sexual revolution. The decline of the traditional family was begun before the 1960’s. Back in 1947, Carle Zimmerman wrote a comprehensive book called “Family and Civilization” recounting the history and evolution of different types of families—from the patriarchal model to the traditional family to the atomized family. He notes that in only two instances in history has the family sufficiently disintegrated to be described by the atomized model, and says that’s the model that western societies are evolving into. So he counts three instances of family atomization. In previous instances, such devolution of the family was followed by decline of the underlying civilization.

Zimmerman’s book: isi.org/books/bookdetail.aspx?id=fdc0c141-f91c-4cc8-8515-060ca6908435&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

As I said before, most people aren’t interested in the history of family types in connection with civilizational survival. They just want to do what they want to do. Some people—not most—raise their kids that way: just do whatever you want to do, no rules. But the results are not good. They are no better for societies.

 

[fastenatingguy]

no…we shouldn’t. Where would we draw the line? masturbation is a sin, so we need to outlaw that? taking the lords name in vain, let’s outlaw that too. We have the FREEDOM given to us from God to choose to do good, and to forsake evil. if it’s not a choice, we are just robots.

Agreed.

Continue to fight against all of the immoral issues that have become part of the secular society to change peoples hearts and minds. But don’t expect that will provide for a change in the law to any of them, including abortion.

Focus on adoption over abortion. Every life saved is important.

Focus on sex within the marital relationship. Don’t fall into the premarital sex trap. That in itself will limit contracepting.

This is a huge war and we have to take the small battles one at a time.

 

[JimG]

You see? There is no double standard. Catholics are trying to get contraceptives banned too. You just haven’t come across those posts yet apparently

I don’t think that Catholics in general believe that contraception should be made illegal. Back when Pope Paul VI reaffirmed the Church’s teaching against contraception in his encyclical “Humanae Vitae,” he said nothing about making it illegal. But he did reaffirm the Church’s traditional oppostion–a position that had of course been held by most Protestants until some 30 years before his 1968 encyclical.

But, had both Catholics and Protestants abided by and acted upon their traditional moral code, society would be in a far better place today. That’s why he warned against disregarding the teaching.

 

[fastenatingguy]

I don’t think that Catholics in general believe that contraception should be made illegal. Back when Pope Paul VI reaffirmed the Church’s teaching against contraception in his encyclical “Humanae Vitae,” he said nothing about making it illegal. But he did reaffirm the Church’s traditional oppostion–a position that had of course been held by most Protestants until some 30 years before his 1968 encyclical.

But, had both Catholics and Protestants abided by and acted upon their traditional moral code, society would be in a far better place today. That’s why he warned against disregarding the teaching.

 

[SaintPatrick333]

I don’t know where you’ve been but many people here on CAF lump contraception with abortion and try to clause that into their efforts to have abortion banned. I think you just haven’t been hanging out on CAF long enough to have seen those particular posts but they pop up quite frequently so you will see them soon enough.

As to Catholics looking to have it banned legally, remember that the US represents many cultures and religions and the Catholic religion is the only religion with such strict rules regarding artificial birth control. Most other religions allow it in many different circumstances. Our laws in this country are not to be based on the teachings of any one religion. We don’t have a national religion. By passing some law to outlaw all artificial birth control, the law would dictate to people of all religions to follow Catholic laws, and this country won’t have that. So it’s really a losing battle.

More’s the pity. It’s too bad we put man-made laws above Christ’s Divine laws. There is only one Truth and we know that Truth is found solely in Christ’s One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. It’s sad that so many Catholics are willing to put Christ off to the side to make room for america’s laws. This country won’t be around forever. Heck, at the rate it’s going it might not even be around in fifty years. I don’t envy people that put politics before faith. They will have Christ to answer too u_u

 

[Kaninchen]

Somone should have told John the Baptist.

***A voice of one crying out in the wilderness; ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make straight his paths.’" ***

Being beheaded is so embarrassing.

-Tim-

Best avoided, though, the Catholic Church is cleverer than that.

Just a thought, what’s the point in quoting the New Testament to somebody who doesn’t believe a word of it? It’s not as if we Jews haven’t got something of a history of heroic but ultimately futile gestures that you could have chosen as examples.

 

[starshiptrooper]

I am late to the discussion but I still wanted to say a few things.

Contraceptives such as the Pill which can cause an early abortion should be outlawed.

I don’t think all contraceptives should be outlawed though for two reasons.

1. Such a ban would be difficult to enforce, with similar effects to Prohibition in the US.
2. Using a contraceptive to prevent conception after rape is a legitimate reason to use contraception.

 

[april32010]

Catechism Of The Catholic Church

2211 The political community has a duty to honor the family, to assist it, and to ensure especially:
–the freedom to establish a family, have children, and bring them up in keeping with the family’s own moral and religious convictions;
–the protection of the stability of the marriage bond and the institution of the family;
–the freedom to profess one’s faith, to hand it on, and raise one’s children in it, with the necessary means and institutions;
–the right to private property, to free enterprise, to obtain work and housing, and the right to emigrate;
–in keeping with the country’s institutions, the right to medical care, assistance for the aged, and family benefits;
–the protection of security and health, especially with respect to dangers like drugs, pornography, alcoholism, etc.;
–the freedom to form associations with o

ther families and so to have representation before civil authority.

2525 Christian purity requires a purification of the social climate. It requires of the communications media that their presentations show concern for respect and restraint. Purity of heart brings freedom from widespread eroticism and avoids entertainment inclined to voyeurism and illusion.

2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials.[QOUTE] HUMANAE VITAE[/QOUTE] Appeal to Public Authorities

1. And now We wish to speak to rulers of nations. To you most of all is committed the responsibility of safeguarding the common good. You can contribute so much to the preservation of morals. We beg of you, never allow the morals of your peoples to be undermined. The family is the primary unit in the state; do not tolerate any legislation which would introduce into the family those practices which are opposed to the natural law of God. For there are other ways by which a government can and should solve the population problem—that is to say by enacting laws which will assist families and by educating the people wisely so that the moral law and the freedom of the citizens are both safeguarded

 

[april32010]

I don’t think that Catholics in general believe that contraception should be made illegal. Back when Pope Paul VI reaffirmed the Church’s teaching against contraception in his encyclical “Humanae Vitae,” he said nothing about making it illegal. But he did reaffirm the Church’s traditional oppostion–a position that had of course been held by most Protestants until some 30 years before his 1968 encyclical.

But, had both Catholics and Protestants abided by and acted upon their traditional moral code, society would be in a far better place today. That’s why he warned against disregarding the teaching.

Humanae Vitae

Appeal to Public Authorities

1. And now We wish to speak to rulers of nations. To you most of all is committed the responsibility of safeguarding the common good. You can contribute so much to the preservation of morals. We beg of you, never allow the morals of your peoples to be undermined. The family is the primary unit in the state; do not tolerate any legislation which would introduce into the family those practices which are opposed to the natural law of God. For there are other ways by which a government can and should solve the population problem—that is to say by enacting laws which will assist families and by educating the people wisely so that the moral law and the freedom of the citizens are both safeguarded.

 

[Rence]

More’s the pity. It’s too bad we put man-made laws above Christ’s Divine laws. There is only one Truth and we know that Truth is found solely in Christ’s One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. It’s sad that so many Catholics are willing to put Christ off to the side to make room for america’s laws. This country won’t be around forever. Heck, at the rate it’s going it might not even be around in fifty years. I don’t envy people that put politics before faith. They will have Christ to answer too u_u

That doesn’t even make any sense. The laws that give one access to ABCs have absolutely nothing at all whatsoever to do with one deciding to follow Catholic rules and laws and simply NOT taking them. This isn’t a difficult concept: just don’t take them

 

[aragonjohn1]

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would pretty much understand that it is imperative to end contraception abortion, and sterilization.

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Shalom
God bless Y’ALL

 

[Elizabeth502]

It’s more than contraception hitching a ride on the abortion bandwagon. Its a realization of contraception is the root cause of many of these problems.

This is not historically accurate, Tim. Contraception merely provides the appearance of sex without consequences, reducing the number of unintended pregancies outside of wedlock. When there was scant availability of contraception (including in the first half of the twentieth century), or unreliable contraception, yes, that in itself was a deterrent, because caution was far more necessary. Nevertheless, the ultimate “contraceptive” was not a physical device but social consequences.

When contraception fails in the 21st century, one of two consequences is most probable, overwhelmingly:

(a) mother seeks induced abortion, for which there are no or few social consequences – to her or to the sperm donor;

(b) mother carries to term; mate receives no negative consequences whatsoever (not to his career, not to his finances, etc.; in fact, most often he is allowed to remain “anonymous” or at least invisible, carrying no legal responsibility for the child’s upbringing, nor moral responsibility in the eyes of society; after all it was “her decision” to risk pregnancy --hmm, not his as well and after all it was “her choice” to carry to term and join the ranks of the millions of other single mothers, many of whom became that way in the exact same fashion – not by divorce or death of spouse)

We have millions of voluntarily single mothers in this country, who were never married and who bear no stigma from engaging in sex outside of marriage, and being irresponsible enough to sleep with men who had no intention of marrying them.

Society, not contraception, has ‘normalized’ and ‘mainstreamed’ casual fornication as an everyday occurrence which has no less value than marital sex does.

Again, take a look at the movie 'A Place In the Sun," to see how not that long ago both an out-of-wedlock Mom and an out-of-wedlock Dad feared ruination (financial, social, both) from such irresponsibility.

All contraception does is make fornication less risky, vis-a-vis pregnancy. It certainly does not, in itself, guarantee no pregnancy. And yes, statistically speaking, frequent fornication (due to the illusion contraception provides) will increase the possibility of failed contraception, which in turn has tended to increase abortion rates. But contraception did not destroy values. Rather, values were destroyed due to wanton abandonment of them and refusal of society to register disapproval of irresponsible behavior.

Had there been no technological advances in the area of artificial contraception, there would still exist the erosion of values which was heralded in the mid-60’s. It was that erosion which provided impetus to the contraception industry to develop and improve its products for mass distribution. They took premium advantage of the erosion in values; it was not the industry which in itself de-constructed society.

 

[Giggly_Giraffe]

I agree that this sounds entirely absurd, that women who take the contraceptive pill should pay £1,000 ($1,500) a year more in tax, but it is the inevitable outcome of the standard logic that the polluter should pay. We do have to make a couple of assumptions of course, the first being that the European Union has got its science right, the second that they have got their costs right. But if they have then yes, the end result really is that women should be charged a higher tax for using the contraceptive pill.

forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/06/03/women-on-contraceptive-pill-should-pay-1500-a-year-more-tax/
Also, the pill causes more health problems for more women than it solves. Strokes, heart-attacks, blood clots are the common dangerous immediate side effects of the BCP. Additionally, it causes weight gain, moodiness, and pimples. In the 2005 world health organization named *the birth control pill as a group 1 carcinogen along side with radium, asbestos, & cigarette. 30% increase of breast cancer due to BCP. IMO the cost to clean the water, and health hazards qualify them to be outlawed by pure scientific fact!!!

The point missed by the media & society is that it disrupts family creating selfish, narcissistic behaviors that tear apart the family. Pope Paul vi wrote Humane Vitae which prohphesised the erosion of BCP’s on society. These have all come true! Also, Pope John Paul II ( we luv u ) wrote two brilliant books to help us move away from societies sexual disorders and love the way God Intended. These books are, “love & responsability”, and “theology of the body”. Anyways, I hope many can stop looking at selfish needs and see the light given to us by our Popes.

Peace be with u’r spirit.

 

[ValPal]

Porn addiction finds its root in the demand for recreational sex, and that was caused by he widespread acceptance, availablity and eventual use of contraceptives.

If we are to believe the Church and the Bible, contraceptive methods have existed at least as far back as Onan. It’s nothing new.

 

[JimG]

If we are to believe the Church and the Bible, contraceptive methods have existed at least as far back as Onan. It’s nothing new.

Onansm is nothing new. Hormonal contraception, surgical sterilization, suction abortion, contraceptives in schools, that’s something new.