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Zenkai
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I’ve been looking through this forum and have seen many questions asked. However, the answers almost always come from the catechism and not Scripture. I’m just curious: why is this?
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brian24
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The Catechism is the teaching of the Church. As Catholics, we do not believe in Sola Scriptura. Sacred Scripture is the most cited reference in the Catechism, but the Catechism explains what the Church teaches, with Scripture and with tradition.
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Trishie
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I believe I frequently quote the bible as well as the Catechism, which if read attentively reveals its scriptural basis.
Jesus gave the first leader of His Church the promise:
you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” Matthew 16
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the world.” Matthew 28
Jesus promised, “12 “**I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. **14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.” John 15
And so the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the teachings of the Catholic Church have the authority of Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
Jesus gave the first leader of His Church the promise:
you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” Matthew 16
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the world.” Matthew 28
Jesus promised, “12 “**I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. **14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.” John 15
And so the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the teachings of the Catholic Church have the authority of Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
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TimothyH
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I quote scripture all the time.
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YADA
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I think you need to look closer - there are extensive scriptural quotes here and Catholics often quote the Scriptures …
As to your comment on the Catechism - the Catechism is choke full of scriptural quotations - so the use of the Catechism only provides the context within which the Scriptures are to be understood … and before you jump on that and say the Scriptures do not need interpretations - every Protestant provides an interpretation of the various scriptures … and as is common with multiple persons looking at any written work [or eye witness to an event] they do not all agree - so you read a passage and here one thing - I read the same passage and understand something different …
Ditto to references to the teachings of the Early Church Fathers - those writings contain many scriptural quotations and the understandings - interpretations of those scriptures in the early centuries …
The Church adopted the Greek language version of the Hebrew texts that were in use in the time of Chirst - we refer to those texts as the Old Testament or Hebrew Texts … the early Church writings list those texts … the Church decided which of the early Christian writings would be include in the “Canon”
and which writings would not be included - those books became the New Testament …
Both [Old and New] together we call the Bible [a collection of books - now printed as one volume] …
The Bible is a work of the Church - The bible is the Chruch’s gift to the world … collected, beloved, preserved, promolgated and handed down through the ages …
As St Jerome stated so succinctly:
"To be ignorant of Scripture is to be ignorant of Christ"
Jesus did not write a book - Jesus founded His Church -
“On this Rock, I will build My Church” … one Church,
“the Bride of Christ”
and Jesus prayed that the Chruch be One as He and the Father are one.
St Paul did not write to multiple Churches - ie the Colossian Church, the Ephesian Church … St Paul wrote to the Church at Rome, the Church at Ephesis - a singular church geographically situated - each and every time …
Pax Christe
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Kathryn_Ann
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” Matthew 16
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the world.” Matthew 28
Jesus promised, “12 “**I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. **14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.” John 15
And so the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the teachings of the Catholic Church have the authority of Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
**Beautiful answer and quote worthy! :harp:
It may be that Catholics only seem to quote scripture less frequently, but be assured, as stated above, The Church is grounded well in Christ, Who was the Word in the Flesh, and we are ever inspired by every gift He gave us.
Though we are not “Sola Scripture,” we embrace all the gifts of the Church, and foremost, the beauty of the Divine continuity of all the Church’s traditions. May God bless your faith journey, and all those on this forum.**
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fermat
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Many times, when we quote the Catechism, we quoting our understanding of scripture. We really should be be listing footnotes and such.
Another reason could be that question are often phrased as, ‘what does the church teach on xyz’. That answer is most appropriately answered with a quote from the Catechism as that is the summary of the teaching of church. If the question is why does the church teach xyz, then scripture is much more likely to come into play.
Another reason could be that question are often phrased as, ‘what does the church teach on xyz’. That answer is most appropriately answered with a quote from the Catechism as that is the summary of the teaching of church. If the question is why does the church teach xyz, then scripture is much more likely to come into play.
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ProVobis
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I quote but I use mostly the Latin and/or Greek.
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JRKH
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Perhaps it depends on what threads you are looking at. Questions like “What does the Church teach on …” will generally get answers from the Catechism as it is generally more clear than Scripture. Likewise if there is a question on how to understand certain Scripture texts the Catechism can help there.
The combination of Bible and Magisterial teaching is what keeps us grounded and unified in our faith. When we have a question about something - especially something not explicit in Scripture we know that others (The Living Church) have likely already dealt with this question and provided a good sound teaching. All we need to do is to look it up.
For myself, I think that I tend to quote Scripture more than the Catechism but in either case I tend to paraphrase a lot too…
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Earnest_Bunbury
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One thing is that some view the Scriptures as sacred and not just a theological textbook or a manual. So many differing personal interpretations and the myriad of preconceived notions often denigrates Sacred Scripture into a battle of “dueling Bible verses”. :bible1::slapfight::bible1:
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fhansen
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Actually many Catholics do quote scripture but it’s not our only source for teachings-the Catechism is the main source-because the Church is considered to be the authority. The idea that scripture can be used to conclusively prove any particular belief or teaching has been demonstrated to be patently false by the sheer number of conflicting interpretations of it.
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JackQ
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I do quote Scripture, and I’ve seen others do it too.
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Ranp
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How very true. The one verse I hear over and over again from Protestants is “You shall know them by their fruits…” (Matthew 7:16, KJV), which is used to brush you off when you disagree with them.
Better to know what Sacred Scripture really mean following the Catholic Catechism then to be able to quote half of Sacred Scripture out of context and with little knowlege of it’s real meaning.
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eo_chibears
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The Catholic Mass is almost completely based on scripture.
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TimothyH
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What is even better than knowing what it means, is to be able to listen to God speaking to us through his word.
Scripture was inspired by the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit dwells in us. Reading scripture regularly, a little each day, over months and years, especially the Psalms and Gospels, transforms us from someone who reads scripture for answers to specific questions into someone who listens to God speaking to us through his word as we read. Remember again, that the same Holy Spirit who inspired scripture lives inside of us. So as we read, the Holy Spirit helps us understand - and listen. He wrote it, and living inside of us, he gives us ears to hear what he wrote.
It takes much time. Years. And we have to be very faithful, a little every day. After several years, we become like little children at storytime, sitting in front of a story teller, listening to what God has to say to us through his word.
I would be so bold as to say that I feel it sometimes. I don’t force myself to read. And I don’t worry about where I left off. I just go to the page with the ribbon and start reading. If the text seems dry or familiar, I move a few paragraphs down, until it seems fresh and alive. Then I read. And I don’t try to scrutinize it either, to unpack it or to take it apart as much as I used to. I listen, and sometimes they are just words, but other times God gives me understanding.
When we get to that point where we read it every day and when God speaks to us in his word, it will become integrated into our life, into our very being. Quoting scripture will become natural, not because we understand it, but because God breathes it into us daily. And that is where Catholics need to get to, integrating God’s word in our lives. For members of Christ’s body, there really is no excuse.
Sure the Catechism explains things to us, and commentaries are great, but God want’s more. Your Father has things he wants to tell you. You just have to be patient, and read a little every day, and the Holy Spirit will teach you how to listen with your heart.
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Nicea325
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Quoting scripture has its place and time. What I have noticed many Protestants quote scripture,but misinterpret the specific verse. It is sort like asking:
Why don’t U.S. citizens quote the U.S. Constitution more frequently?
One may quote it all day but does not mean he or she has the correct understanding. I am not against quoting anything,but caution must be taken ito consideration.
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Ranp
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I agree that everyone should read Scripture. As Saint Jerome said, “Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ.” However, we must must remember that Scripture by itself is not the final authority. The First Book of Timothy 3:15 says “…the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” The Catholic Church is the authority. When we read Scripture it must be with the guildance of the teachings of the Holy Catholic Church, which is presented to us in the Caechism. Reading Scripture without the guildance of the Catholic Church is at the heart of why there are 40,000+ Protestant denominations.
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Cat_Herder
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mark_a
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Are you talking about quoting scripture only or quoting scripture, then chapter and verse?
I find that someone throwing chapter and verse at me in everyday conversation (as if I don’t believe him and should look it up myself) to be a huge turn-off.
Which reminds me, why don’t Protestants state their denomination before quoting chapter and verse so folks will have an inkling of their interpretation?
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Arizona_Mike
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Whenever a Catholic prays the Lord’s Prayer, prays a “Hail Mary,” or prays the Rosary, he or she is quoting Scripture.
Why don’t Protestants do that as often as Catholics, Zenkai?
It sure couldn’t be a “vain repetition,” either, as Jesus told us to pray the Lord’s Prayer, and we know Jesus repeated His prayers Himself, as He did the night He was arrested.
Why don’t Protestants do that as often as Catholics, Zenkai?
It sure couldn’t be a “vain repetition,” either, as Jesus told us to pray the Lord’s Prayer, and we know Jesus repeated His prayers Himself, as He did the night He was arrested.
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