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jlhargus
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The souls of the just no longer go to Hades since Christ ascended and opened heaven.
Why don't Christians ascend bodily into heaven like Jesus, instead of dying?
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jlhargus
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The souls of the just no longer go to Hades since Christ ascended and opened heaven.
Both Jesus and the thief’s bodies were buried and remained on earth. Where did the thief and Jesus’ souls (spirits) go immediately at death? Into Hades (Hell in English) the chamber of Abraham’s Bosom (paradise) where there was comfort, for the just soul, before Christ ascended opening heaven for the just.
[Lk16:22 And it came to pass, that **the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. ]
The unjust souls went into the chamber of torment in Hades and still do until the resurrection, of the bodies, of the just and unjust at the end when Hades will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.
[Rv20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And **death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.]
Christ rose bodily from the dead and ascended bodily into heaven. The thief’s soul or spirit along with those just souls in Hades were taken into heaven when Christ ascended. At the end all souls just and unjust will be raised . The simple answer would be that’s how the Lord has chosen to do it.
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SteveVH
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We are not assumed. We are resurrected. Mary was assumed because God did not allow her body to undergo corruption.
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ProdigalSun
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If this were fact, I doubt most of us would be here. More than likely any that were alive would not know the true God. Our life spans would be a lot less and our quality of life would be very poor also.
I’m not sure we would we have even got out of Europe. War and famine would have continued to cull the heard as it did for 6000 years prior to our last 2000 years. If there was no Son, The Father, would still be an abstract picture no one could begin to fathom. Judiaism would still be the only common link to God.
The world would be a very scary place indeed.
If it was not for the One Holy and Apostolic Catholic Church. We would still be living in a world of superstition and brutality.
Peace!
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YADA
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Our bodies are resurrected - because we suffer death and bodily decay … we are assumed into Heaven - the process by which we enter into heaven … not of our power but by the power and authority of God … I do not think the two terms are exclusive of each other nor related in the matter that you believe
The Church has never defined whether Mary died or was taken directly into heaven before death - The church declared that she did not suffer bodily decay -
My belief is that Mary probably did not suffer death- thus her body had no need of resurrection
Enoch and Elijah are also believed to have been taken [assumed] directly to heaven without suffering death - they too would not need a bodily resurrection
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rinnie
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Well hold on its still possible. Jesus said when he comes there will be some still here alive, so if its soon, some may never experience physical death.
But to answer your question until that last day when the soul will be united to that physical body it won’t happen.
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Kliska
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Why* would *we ascend bodily into heaven prior to death? The burden of proof lies on the “affirmative” side of a discussion under most circumstances not on the negative side.
Jesus does indeed have power over death, hell, and the grave, the fact that we don’t all automatically ascend upon faithing on Him doesn’t really prove or say anything, so I’m confused by the question.
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openmind77
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I think Catholics believe that this will happen (bodies will ascend) after the Second Coming. In fact some Christians believe that at that time the bodies of those who have died and have already been buried will ressurect and will join them (I am not sure if the church agrees with that). All this is going to be very interesting to watch since I believe the Christ will be returning very soon in less than a couple of years.
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Gary_Sheldrake
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Good Evening NowHereThis: Do Universalist Unitarians believe in The Ascension?
All the best,
Gary
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ericc
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Because that would force you to have no freewill to disbelieve Jesus. It would have been a in-your-face evidence that the Christian God is real. Atheism and other religions would have no room to maneuver.
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