Why don't Muslims become Christian?

[eichenb2]

Hello,
I am a former Muslim and I have a question for all the Muslims on this list. Why don’t you become a Christian; or, more specifically, a Catholic Christian?

 

[paarsurrey]

Hello,
I am a former Muslim and I have a question for all the Muslims on this list. Why don’t you become a Christian; or, more specifically, a Catholic Christian?

Hi

Provided the “Christians” follow Jesus and his teachings; and they don’t follow Paul, who in my opinion was never a Christian and he only used Christ’s name to propagate his own theological philosophy invented by him at Rome.

Otherwise there are no major differences between Moses and Jesus; as there are no differences between Moses and Muhammad.

I would rather say that, in my opinion, to become a **true Christian **one has to accept truthfulness of Islam/Quran/Muhammad; which we are already doing.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna

Thanks

 

[LDNCatholic]

In that case I am a Muslim, as I submit to the will of the Lord.

Of course that Lord is Jesus Christ.

 

[eichenb2]

Hi

Provided the “Christians” follow Jesus and his teachings; and they don’t follow Paul, who in my opinion was never a Christian and he only used Christ’s name to propagate his own theological philosophy invented by him at Rome.

Otherwise there are no major differences between Moses and Jesus; as there are no differences between Moses and Muhammad.

I would rather say that, in my opinion, to become a **true Christian **one has to accept truthfulness of Islam/Quran/Muhammad; which we are already doing.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna

Thanks

What are the “teachings of Jesus” and how do know what they are? I am concerned if you are ruling out the New Testament as a testimony to the “teachings of Jesus” without investigating. I can say, as a former Muslim that everything I knew about Christianity and specifically about the Catholic teachings were formed within the construct of Islamic doctrine. By the way, 2/3 of the New Testament is attributed to Paul (directly or indirectly). Also, we have better manuscript evidence for the NT that ANY work literary event in that era.

 

[thedavidwilson]

Here is one reason:

“Whoever changes his religion, kill him” Muhammed

 

[eichenb2]

Here is one reason:

“Whoever changes his religion, kill him” Muhammed

I go agree that the ramifications of the hadeeth are felt in the lives of Muslims who seek to know the Truth outside of Islam. However, I am more interested (call it my own sociology study) in intellectual reasons why Muslims think that Islam is more truthful than Catholicism. For me, it was very difficult to leave Islam. The draw was and still is the collective morality. Practising Muslims take their religion very seriously. This was a refreshing change from my nominally Protestant upbringing. I had discounted Christianity on the basis of Christians actions. I only studied the apologetic arguments for the truth of Christianity after reaching a crisis point, as a Muslim. Perhaps, though, if Christians would make a more concerted effort to actively live their faith, the morality issue would not be so difficult for some Muslims.

 

[eichenb2]

Here is one reason:

“Whoever changes his religion, kill him” Muhammed

Leaving Islam reminds me of a song.

Last thing I remember, I was
Running for the door
I had to find the passage back
To the place I was before
‘Relax,’ said the night man,
‘We are programmed to receive.
You can check-out any time you like,
But you can never leave!’


To Muslims: you can leave! Read Galatians 3!

 

[Reuben_J]

I go agree that the ramifications of the hadeeth are felt in the lives of Muslims who seek to know the Truth outside of Islam. However, I am more interested (call it my own sociology study) in intellectual reasons why Muslims think that Islam is more truthful than Catholicism. For me, it was very difficult to leave Islam. The draw was and still is the collective morality. Practising Muslims take their religion very seriously. This was a refreshing change from my nominally Protestant upbringing. I had discounted Christianity on the basis of Christians actions. I only studied the apologetic arguments for the truth of Christianity after reaching a crisis point, as a Muslim. Perhaps, though, if Christians would make a more concerted effort to actively live their faith, the morality issue would not be so difficult for some Muslims.

That (the bolded part) can be said of Muslims. That is one aspect of their attitudes that I admire albeit sometimes grudgingly. This is especially in the area of prayer. To cease all other activities in order to perform a prayer is truly remarkable. As a Christian who struggle with my own prayer life you cannot but look up to people who actually pray.

The flip side for Islam of course the five times praying per day is ascribed as a command. That has taken some credit from their practice but come to think about it, Islam is a religion that’s truly serious about devoting to God. If your life as an ordinary person is centred on praying five times a day without fail, just imagine the closeness that the person has with the diety he/she believes in. This is something we Christians can reflect on, not that we are not exhorted to pray, in fact we are asked to unceasingly, but how much of that is internalized in our life?

 

[eichenb2]

That (the bolded part) can be said of Muslims. That is one aspect of their attitudes that I admire albeit sometimes grudgingly. This is especially in the area of prayer. To cease all other activities in order to perform a prayer is truly remarkable. As a Christian who struggle with my own prayer life you cannot but look up to people who actually pray.

The flip side for Islam of course the five times praying per day is ascribed as a command. That has taken some credit from their practice but come to think about it, Islam is a religion that’s truly serious about devoting to God. If your life as an ordinary person is centred on praying five times a day without fail, just imagine the closeness that the person has with the diety he/she believes in. This is something we Christians can reflect on,

Great Post! I totally agree!

 

[Sister_Amy]

Hello,
I am a former Muslim and I have a question for all the Muslims on this list. Why don’t you become a Christian; or, more specifically, a Catholic Christian?

Because God commands Christians not to transgress the limits of their religion, but yet they do.

The Qur’an is God’s final revelation to mankind. That’s a real good reason not to become a Christian–it would require disbelieving in scripture, disbelieving in a prophet, and worshiping a human being. It’s moving backwards.

Christians should become Muslims–that’s the natural progression.

 

[paarsurrey]

What are the “teachings of Jesus” and how do know what they are?

Hi

For knowing what Jesus and Mary believed, kindly read Quran.

NTBible is neither dictated by God Allah YHWH, nor dictated by Jesus even; Jesus in fact, in my opinion, did not instruct or authorize any person to write it on his behalf. NTBible therefore does not present full account of life of Jesus and Mary. At the most the scribes write about three years of Jesus’ life, and even that is not for sure, in my opinion.

If you like I would quote from Quran.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

“Whoever changes his religion, kill him” Muhammed

Hi

I think Muhammad never said the above sentence.

If you think he said it; kindly quote from Quran, the first and foremost source of guidance of the Muslim, whichever the sect.

Please remember to give some preceding verses and some following verses of Quran for the contex.

Thanks

 

[Booklover]

Because God commands Christians not to transgress the limits of their religion, but yet they do.

The Qur’an is God’s final revelation to mankind. That’s a real good reason not to become a Christian–it would require disbelieving in scripture, disbelieving in a prophet, and worshiping a human being. It’s moving backwards.

Christians should become Muslims–that’s the natural progression.

You keep repeating “the Quran is God’s final revelation to mankind” as you’ve been indoctrinated to do. The Quran is Muhammad’s words and no one else’s, and you can’t prove otherwise.

Is it progression to live by the cruel, barbaric, superstitious and ignorant laws of 7th century Arabia?

Vickie

 

[eichenb2]

Hi

I think Muhammad never said the above sentence.

If you think he said it; kindly quote from Quran, the first and foremost source of guidance of the Muslim, whichever the sect.

Please remember to give some preceding verses and some following verses of Quran for the contex.

Thanks

Ahhh, the Qur’an-only camp…Sister Amy what do you think about this?

 

[Sister_Amy]

You keep repeating “the Quran is God’s final revelation to mankind” as you’ve been indoctrinated to do. The Quran is Muhammad’s words and no one else’s, and you can’t prove otherwise.

Is it progression to live by the cruel, barbaric, superstitious and ignorant laws of 7th century Arabia?

Vickie

I will choose the Law of God over the laws of men (or lack thereof) anyday. Wouldn’t you?

 

[Sister_Amy]

Ahhh, the Qur’an-only camp…Sister Amy what do you think about this?

I am not in the Qur’an-only “camp” as you put it. The opinion of the scholars of Ahl as-Sunnah wal-Jama’ah is that the person who rejects the Sunnah of the Prophet (saaws) is rejecting part of Islam.

And what you quoted is indeed an authentic hadith, which doesn’t make me lose any sleep at night. I might be worried if I were in your shoes, however.

What paarsurrey believes is his own business. I have no interest in arguing with him.

 

[Booklover]

Hi

I think Muhammad never said the above sentence.

If you think he said it; kindly quote from Quran, the first and foremost source of guidance of the Muslim, whichever the sect.

Please remember to give some preceding verses and some following verses of Quran for the contex.

Thanks

At least it’s in Bukhari:

*Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57: *

Narrated 'Ikrima:

• Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’"
  What happened to “no compulsion in religion”?

Vickie

 

[Sister_Amy]

At least it’s in Bukhari:

*Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57: *

Narrated 'Ikrima:

• Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’"
  What happened to “no compulsion in religion”?

Vickie

I seem to have the feeling I’ve answered this question before. Could you go ahead and look it up and post it for me? That would save me the trouble of typing it out again.

 

[Booklover]

I will choose the Law of God over the laws of men (or lack thereof) anyday. Wouldn’t you?

I don’t consider Islam or any part of it as the “law of God” otherwise I would be a Muslim! Islamic “law of god” treats rational human beings as mental deficients who can’t even think for themselves and have to be told how to do everythingThe God I believe in is not a barbarian, and contrary to the Islamic 'god" loves everyone.

Vickie

 

[Sister_Amy]

I don’t consider Islam or any part of it as the “law of God” otherwise I would be a Muslim! Islamic “law of god” treats rational human beings as mental deficients who can’t even think for themselves and have to be told how to do everythingThe God I believe in is not a barbarian, and contrary to the Islamic 'god" loves everyone.

Vickie

whatever…