Why Don't Secularists Just be Honest and Outlaw Christianity?

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Faithdancer said:
All I can figure is either
  1. They are seeking God, even if they’re not ready to admit it yet, or
  2. They’re lookiing to argue and cause trouble, because they’re bored with their own “non-belief system.” This may actually lead back to reason 1.
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  1. We find religious belief fascinating and are intrigued enough to better understand it regardless of our non belief.
 
I don’t believe any atheist would want to outlaw Christianity.

Who would they pick on and what would they protest about? 😃
 
goout said:
I detect an issue here, and the issue is that you expect a preference, or belief, of yours to be recognized.
And in the next breath claim that religion, or beliefs, are not necessary.

How do you reconcile those two ideas?
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The classic incongruity of the skeptic position.
 
Indigo_Cardinal said:
That analogy doesn’t really quite work. My house is private property, not open to the public. Businesses are, by definition, open to the entire public.
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Well how about a westboro baptist preacher walking into a gay bakers shop and requesting a cake for one of their events!

I’m guessing you have no problem turning them away!

just a bit hypocritical I would think!👍
 
Regular_Atheist said:
It is the goal, in a sense. I would like a society in which anyone can live however they want without it conflicting with other people or the collective needs of society. Such a society would be communism, and there would be no material basis for religion in that society. That doesn’t mean I want religious people to be forced to reject their faith or anything, only that people won’t “need” religion in such a society.
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Ah yes Utopia! I know of many Atheists who have strived to create such a society but it always seemed that mass murder went along with creating such a society that it kinda defeated the whole purpose!

But as Christ has told us that poor people will always be with us and there is nothing we can accomplish that is good without his help. So I not into the fairytale lands of a Utopian Society because normal people are not wired that way and neither are you!👍
 
goout said:
I detect an issue here, and the issue is that you expect a preference, or belief, of yours to be recognized.
And in the next breath claim that religion, or beliefs, are not necessary.

How do you reconcile those two ideas?
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Hence the problem with Uptoia. In my Utopia I live by a nice lake fed river with my 12 chidren and beautiful wife. My cupboards and fridge are stocked with delicious delectables and my wood working shop is stocked with wood I harvest on my own land. You don’t mind do you Reg if I have 12 children that you help feed and clothe. I relax with my family on this land while you help me live my lifestyle!🤷
 
Christians are fighters; we don’t give up when others try to get rid of us. If a government tries making Christianity illegal than christians go underground and continue to practice and spread their faith anyway.

Sometimes we even rise up like our Maccabees forefathers. In 1920s Mexico the government tried making Christianity illegal and the catholic majority in the country revolted; they didn’t stop fighting until the Mexican government allowed Catholics to believe, and soon Mexico had a catholic president. In France in the late 1700s the revolutionary French Government tried making Christianity illegal and murdering clergymen and faithful; in Vendee Catholics revolted and fought to the death, and in Europe the three great powers (Catholic Austria, Anglican Britain, and Orthodox Russia) united against anti-theistic France and ended their revolutionary excess by force.

So even if somebody wanted to outlaw Christianity, they’d know from history how bad an idea that is.
 
Regular_Atheist said:
It is the goal, in a sense. I would like a society in which anyone can live however they want without it conflicting with other people or the collective needs of society. Such a society would be communism, and there would be no material basis for religion in that society. That doesn’t mean I want religious people to be forced to reject their faith or anything, only that people won’t “need” religion in such a society.
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Yet communism had failed everywhere it had been tried. And despite intense persecution, people living under communist regimes have kept their religion.
 
HerCrazierHalf said:
  1. We find religious belief fascinating and are intrigued enough to better understand it regardless of our non belief.
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  1. When we discuss certain matters with people who disagree with our views, we are challenged to validate our beliefs.
 
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