Why don't we as Catholics discuss prophecy ?

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Darran said:
There happen to be some events in the Bible which are yet to happen, these happen to be called prophecies. Those things that people come up with for attention are not.
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Like I said, Harold Camping and other obsessed nuts refer to those events as well. What makes you so special in terms of presenting them? Because your Catholic? I’m with Jharek when I say you need to review your fallacies (and not just ad hom if I may add).

You wonder why I associate you with those types but the answer’s already staring at you in the face.
Darran said:
Can you both get off my back now? I no idea how you are picking me up so wrong.
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Hmm, let me see, ah yes something about calling people like me a fool because we choose to value living our lives over one man’s persistent reading of Scripture.
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
Like I said, Harold Camping and other obsessed nuts refer to those events as well. What makes you so special in terms of presenting them? Because your Catholic? I’m with Jharek when I say you need to review your fallacies (and not just ad hom if I may add).

You wonder why I associate you with those types but the answer’s already staring at you in the face.

Hmm, let me see, ah yes something about calling people like me a fool because we choose to value living our lives over one man’s persistent reading of Scripture.
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Given that your from the Philippines I’m going to put this down to a language barrier. I’m not in support of Harold Camping or anyone like him, I’m not going to repeat myself another time.
 
I suppose it depends on where you are and the kind of Parish you’re in. I’m quite used to prophecy, as I was exposed to Catholic Charismatics growing up, and I’m still in those circles.

I think there’s a good deal of concern that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not somethign Catholics should be using, or its too “happy clappy” or too “out there”.

When used for the good of teh Church, as they’re meant to be, prophecy and word of knowledge are great gifts for the Catholic Church, especially at a local level to help our fellows.
 
vera_dicere said:
I suppose it depends on where you are and the kind of Parish you’re in. I’m quite used to prophecy, as I was exposed to Catholic Charismatics growing up, and I’m still in those circles.

I think there’s a good deal of concern that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not somethign Catholics should be using, or its too “happy clappy” or too “out there”.

When used for the good of teh Church, as they’re meant to be, prophecy and word of knowledge are great gifts for the Catholic Church, especially at a local level to help our fellows.
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May I ask what prophecy, and when you say your quite used to prophecy, for example how so?

The gifts of the Holy Spirit I don’t see as an issue here. There are “many” gifted souls out here. What gifts in particular are we speaking about?

I see no issue with discussing the Bible or the Biblical Prophets, John/Revelation or the Second Coming, which “is” coming, Thus the reality of Heaven as we see glimpse’s in the book of Revelation.

Perhaps I’m missing “what” we are talking about here in specifics.
 
beehumble said:
Scott Hahn
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Right, he often speaks on the Book of Revelation as the Mass and Liturgy of the Eucharist, and walks through each verse in relation, until the mass becomes a reality for all at the Second Coming.

So the truth is, through the Mass there is no seperation, for the Lord is always present and transends time through the Eucharist. So in “I AM” the Lord is always present with us.
 
I really love Scott Hahn’s book on the Eucharist and the Book of Revelation. Great book
 
I always agree on what Jesus said about his second coming:
  • “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” (Matthew 24:36).
  • “You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him” (Matthew 24:44).

    But prior to these verses, Jesus said clearly :
  • “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near;so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near,right at the door. (Matthew 24:32-33).
The fig tree and grape vines were always used as symbols of Israel. The Prophet Hosea wrote:
  • ‘I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness, I saw your fathers as the first ripe in the fig tree in her first time" (Hosea 9:10).
Jeremiah received the vision of two baskets of figs, which represented Israel:
  • “Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah” (Jer. 24:5).
When Jesus cursed a fig tree when he founded no fruit on it, it was the only miracle, from the numerous wonderful deeds he did, that has acquired a negative result. Jesus did this symbolically, in light with the parable which he narrated to his disciples precisely the same day he cursed that fig tree:
  • “A man had a fig tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil? ’Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down." (Luke 13:6-9).
Obviously, God is the Landlord and Jesus is the vine dresser who work for three years and Israel is the barren fig tree on the parable. It is evident that God has turned his favor away from the Jews and gave it to the Gentiles. But the “softening of the branches and the bringing forth of leaves” represents the return of favor to this nation during the time of the establishment of the Kingdom in Christ’s second advent.

As Beehumble puts it:
Ezekiel prophesies the flesh of Israel will be restored, and then the spirit, so the spirit is to come (“conversion of the Jews”), but the ‘flesh’ has to exist first, and so it does - the flesh, the nation, now exists.
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We were told to be ready. Now more than ever is the best time to oil those lamps of ours and shine our lights for Christ. After all, the Jews according to Jesus will be the ones who will recieved him on his second coming and proclaim “Barukh haba b’Shem Adonai”. “Blessed is he who comes in the Name of the Lord”.
 
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