Why don't we come up with a new version of marriage for gay people?

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In another thread, you made these same points without providing any research to back up your assertion that two same sex parents are worse than two opposite gender parents. DO you have some now?
You mean you need “support” for the factual elimination of one gender (which on its face is dehumanizing)? (etc.) There is absolutely nothing in this post that requires “research.” Making one gender irrelevant is divisive & dehumanizing to the other gender. Any such act is by definition a harm to children.
 
actually there is such a thing called a civil union. However the problem is that a marriage often covers many things that a union does not. From fact check.org:
The right to federal benefits. States that allow some type of same-sex union are able to grant only state rights. The Defense of Marriage Act passed in 1996 prohibits same-sex couples from receiving federal marriage rights and benefits.
Because civil unions are not recognized by all states, such agreements are not always valid when couples cross state lines.
Taxes. Couples in a civil union may file a joint state tax return, but they must file federal tax returns as single persons. This may be advantageous to some couples, not so for others. One advantage for married couples is the ability to transfer assets and wealth without incurring tax penalties. Partners in a civil union aren’t permitted to do that, and thus may be liable for estate and gift taxes on such transfers.
Social Security survivor benefits. If a spouse or divorced spouse dies, the survivor may have a right to Social Security payments based on the earnings of the married couple, rather than only the survivor’s earnings. Same-sex couples are not eligible for such benefits.
factcheck.org/what_is_a_civil_union.html

So if these benefits were recognized on a federal level, and and all benefits available to a married couple were available to a same gender couple, then perhaps there wouldn’t be such an attack on Christians. It is discrimination to not allow them to have these kinds of benefits.

However, it should not be called a marriage. A marriage is a sacred thing between a man woman and God.

And I still have to wonder what would be next on the gay agenda.
 
Since the Church is against gay marriage because marriage is the union between a man and woman, why don’t we come up with a union that is not called marriage that is between the same sexes? The Church states that homosexual activity is “unnatural” but God made them homosexual! Plus I read somewhere (I think it was on here) that humans have something in their brain that gives them emotions or something about sex while for animals it is just instinct. I know that same sex marriage isn’t exactly procreation but the couple could adopt a child that could really use a good home. What harm does that do? In my opinion, two people who love each other very much does not degrade the sanctity of marriage, people who cheat and treat their spouse badly do. Also, is it ok in the Church’s eyes for a homosexual to have a partner that they love as long as they are not married and they never have sex? Anyway, for those of you who are strictly against gay marriage, I think there are WAY BETTER things to worry about in today’s world than two people loving each other. Don’t we need more love in this world?! Anyway, that’s just my opinion and I am proud of it.
more “sex equals love” nonsense.

You ask “Why don’t we come up with a new version of marriage for gay people?” If by “we” you mean the Body of Christ, the Church, why would the Church facilitate sin?

You wrote that you’re proud of your opinion. Well, I suggest you pray on your love for God and what He wills, rather than what pleases you.
 
The end goal is that all children have ideal parents. We are allowed to take intermediate steps, and wasting our efforts on banning same-sex parenthood, efforts that could be better spent in other areas, is not a good intermediate step.
What, so you think it’s OK that a child live, for example, with a couple who beat the living snot out of it once a week, on the grounds that ‘well, there are couples out there who’d beat the living snot out of it daily’?

No siree. The solution is not to let the child live with EITHER couple, but instead to place it in an alternative environment where it will NOT be mistreated.

Tolerating poor parenting is not the answer.
 
In another thread, you made these same points without providing any research to back up your assertion that two same sex parents are worse than two opposite gender parents. DO you have some now?
Look at my first post. 🙂
 
Provide me with something please , that shows that to be true. Are you saying that the church considers invalid marriages to be “good”? I understood that only non catholics who marry civilly had marriages that were natural and good. How could something that is a mortal sin for a catholic be good?
Count me in too. And show us in Dogma, not another “book”.

AndyF

Found it. Here is the base law and criteria for the definition of marriage. So the civil authority would not be committing a “good”.

**1660 **The marriage covenant, by which a man and a woman form with each other an intimate communion of life and love, has been founded and endowed with its own special laws by the Creator. By its very nature it is ordered to the good of the couple, as well as to the generation and education of children. Christ the Lord raised marriage between the baptized to the dignity of a sacrament (cf. CIC, can. 1055 § 1; cf. GS 48 § 1).

AndyF
 
Since the Church is against gay marriage because marriage is the union between a man and woman, why don’t we come up with a union that is not called marriage that is between the same sexes? The Church states that homosexual activity is “unnatural” but God made them homosexual! Plus I read somewhere (I think it was on here) that humans have something in their brain that gives them emotions or something about sex while for animals it is just instinct. I know that same sex marriage isn’t exactly procreation but the couple could adopt a child that could really use a good home. What harm does that do? In my opinion, two people who love each other very much does not degrade the sanctity of marriage, people who cheat and treat their spouse badly do. Also, is it ok in the Church’s eyes for a homosexual to have a partner that they love as long as they are not married and they never have sex? Anyway, for those of you who are strictly against gay marriage, I think there are WAY BETTER things to worry about in today’s world than two people loving each other. Don’t we need more love in this world?! Anyway, that’s just my opinion and I am proud of it.
Kev,
What a person must be most concerned about is what the Lord has to say about the sin of homosexuality…
Rom.1:24-32

Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

Rom 1:25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.

Rom 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

Rom 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Rom 1:28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

Rom 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,

Rom 1:30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;

Rom 1:31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

Rom 1:32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

The Bible tells us to pick up your cross and follow me.(Jesus) We all have our cross to bear. It’s called repentance, daily!

God bless,
jean8
 
What, so you think it’s OK that a child live, for example, with a couple who beat the living snot out of it once a week, on the grounds that ‘well, there are couples out there who’d beat the living snot out of it daily’?

No siree. The solution is not to let the child live with EITHER couple, but instead to place it in an alternative environment where it will NOT be mistreated.

Tolerating poor parenting is not the answer.
If you have knowledge of anyone treating a child in this cruel manner, it should be reported immediately. No one in their right mind would do this to an innocent child.
Protect the babies .Bring them to my house.🙂

God bless,
jean8
 
Since the Church is against gay marriage because marriage is the union between a man and woman, why don’t we come up with a union that is not called marriage that is between the same sexes?
Who is “we”?

The secular society can, and will, do as it pleases.

It’s not the Church’s job to invent nonsense to appease inveterate sinners.
Anyway, for those of you who are strictly against gay marriage, I think there are WAY BETTER things to worry about in today’s world than two people loving each other. Don’t we need more love in this world?! Anyway, that’s just my opinion and I am proud of it.
No one is truly Catholic who supports the gay agenda, which is one of the 5 or 6 great mechanisms of satan in misleading souls away from God.

(( The other’s being: HyperCapitalism, Socialism, Atheism, Islam, etc. ))

Being proud of being non-Catholic (if not outright anti-Catholic) is anyone’s right, most assuredly!

:shamrock2:
 
Fix, when did Jesus talk about homosexuality?
One place is where He says heaven and earth shall pass away before one letter of the law passes way. He did not abolish the moral law, He intensified it.
 
Fix, when did Jesus talk about homosexuality?
From Our Saviour’s own lips - '… have you not heard, ‘God created them male and female. For this reason a man will leave mother and father and cleave to his wife and the two shall become one flesh’.

It’s there in black and white. The only context in which two people are permitted to ‘become one flesh’ (have sex) is if they are man and wife, not two men or two women.
 
You mean you need “support” for the factual elimination of one gender (which on its face is dehumanizing)? (etc.) There is absolutely nothing in this post that requires “research.” Making one gender irrelevant is divisive & dehumanizing to the other gender. Any such act is by definition a harm to children.
These are strong statements about the psychological damage of “depriving” people of parents of both genders. Most of the time when we speak of psychological damage, we are referring to things that have been studied and proved by scientists. You, however, choose to attempt to pass off your unfounded ideas as “fact” (albeit articulate unfounded ideas) in multiple threads.
 
You mean you need “support” for the factual elimination of one gender (which on its face is dehumanizing)? (etc.) There is absolutely nothing in this post that requires “research.” Making one gender irrelevant is divisive & dehumanizing to the other gender. Any such act is by definition a harm to children.
Also, I am a lesbian with three younger brothers very close in age to me (and we are very close). To suggest that if I one day adopted children with a parter I would be “dehumanizing” men is a laughable idea. And based on nothing. I would never do harm to a child, but it has not been proven that I would be. Anywhere.
 
Since the Church is against gay marriage because marriage is the union between a man and woman, why don’t we come up with a union that is not called marriage that is between the same sexes?
The Church states that homosexual activity is “unnatural” but God made them homosexual!
Hold on there…the Church does not teach that God *made *a person homosexual. God did not make a person homosexual any more than he made them fat or a drug addict. Studies have suggested that homosexuality is caused- at least in part- by environimental factors. Those have nothing to do with how God created them.
Plus I read somewhere (I think it was on here) that humans have something in their brain that gives them emotions or something about sex while for animals it is just instinct.
I know that same sex marriage isn’t exactly procreation but the couple could adopt a child that could really use a good home. What harm does that do?
It does plenty of harm. The importance of the role of a mother- and the fact that a woman is needed to fulfill that role- cannot be underestimated. The same goes for fathers.
In my opinion, two people who love each other very much does not degrade the sanctity of marriage,
Profaning a sacrament is not a matter of opinion. If you try to confect it without the proper matter, form, and intent, you invalidate it- and profane a holy thing.
people who cheat and treat their spouse badly do.
Sometimes people who cheat “love each other very much” as well.
Also, is it ok in the Church’s eyes for a homosexual to have a partner that they love as long as they are not married and they never have sex?
Yes- totally. Homosexuals should surround themselves with people (of both sexes), who they can develop close, chaste friendships with. Friendship can be a very powerful thing, and its value is highly underrated in today’s society. Our world is in need of people- men and women- to be good examples of close, chaste friendship.
Anyway, for those of you who are strictly against gay marriage, I think there are WAY BETTER things to worry about in today’s world than two people loving each other.
When you are faced with a large problem, do you try to solve all the little details, or do you go for the root of the problem? It makes more sense to me to go to the root of the problem, and try to fix that. As we get closer to fixing the problem at the root, the other problems that it causes will (perhaps very slowly) be solved. Many people point to the erosion of the family as the source for many of the world’s problems. Domestic abuse, abortion, euthanasia, physician-assisted suicide, homelessness, hunger, financial hardship- all these things, if you think about it, would be solved if families were strong. Strong families means everyone knows their vocation within the family, and everyone carries their weight to the best of their ability (and, out of love for their family, helps those who cannot help themselves). The family is the most important social entity- it is the foundation of society- when that’s falling apart, it only makes sense for everything else to.
Don’t we need more love in this world?!
Yes. All love comes from God- it cannot come from anywhere else. Homosexual actions are sinful- they do not come from God. They cannot be truly loving. I think many of those who commit them have good intentions when they do, but they are misguided.
 
Also, I am a lesbian with three younger brothers very close in age to me (and we are very close). To suggest that if I one day adopted children with a parter I would be “dehumanizing” men is a laughable idea. And based on nothing. I would never do harm to a child, but it has not been proven that I would be. Anywhere.
It is only a laughable idea to YOU, because you find men not essential to parenting. Your posts reveal a distorted (disordered) view of the inherent value of gender & of the celebration of gender differentiation in the full growth of a child and full participation of both genders in psychological intimacy with that child. To claim anything else, to believe anything else, is to mock God for his creation. Men are not tokens. Nor are they merely useful biologically (for sperm production) & practically (for heavy lifting). Like women, they mirror (equally) the face of God, and need to be equally involved in the raising of children as a priority.

The “support” and “research” for these obvious biological & psychological & practical realities are 3: (1) people who lived for longer than 21 years; who have experienced the value of the different viewpoints & understandings that the different genders provide in the full lifespan of a human being; (2) the affirmative commands of scripture, which have been cited by others to you on this forum multiple times; (3) the knowledge of faith combined with intellect, which are together the basis of Catholic theology.
 
I can do heavy lifting myself, thanks 🙂

Though I have lived a mere 21 years 🙂 I probably know a good deal more gay parents than you do (unless you live in SF or NYC, I suppose) and as far as I can tell, gay parents of both genders work about ten times as hard as straight parents to incorporate opposite-gender figures into their children’s lives. I don’t think my parents ever thought about the gender balance of my role models, but I know I sure will.
 
The “support” and “research” for these obvious biological & psychological & practical realities are 3: (1) people who lived for longer than 21 years; who have experienced the value of the different viewpoints & understandings that the different genders provide in the full lifespan of a human being;
In other words, the “support and research” are your personal opinions. And we all have personal opinions.
(2) the affirmative commands of scripture, which have been cited by others to you on this forum multiple times; (3) the knowledge of faith combined with intellect, which are together the basis of Catholic theology.
Or the “support and research” behind your beliefs are the teachings of the Catholic Church. Nothing wrong with that, if you are Catholic.
 
From Our Saviour’s own lips - '… have you not heard, ‘God created them male and female. For this reason a man will leave mother and father and cleave to his wife and the two shall become one flesh’.

It’s there in black and white. The only context in which two people are permitted to ‘become one flesh’ (have sex) is if they are man and wife, not two men or two women.
Then you have to define male and female, which is not defined in law, or in the bible.
 
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