Why During Vatican 2 Would Catholicism Say It Was Not the True Church of Jesus Christ

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TheCourt just PM’d me to say not to send him any private messages (wait, who is the one that began to PM everyone, LOL), and that he has read the official documents and they stated what they did.

Well we agree, the official documents do say what they say, and it is NOT that the Catholic Church is not the true Church of Jesus Christ. You have yet to give us a quote from the official documents, and have hidden behind lame accusations, off topic statements, and the fact that you claimed to be Catholic (then 1-2 days later switched that claim) puts serious doubt on the validity of your claims.

TheCourt has been exposed, and the OP is a lie. I will recant my statement once TheCourt explicitly shows us the quote that he is basing his statement on, and “read the documents” doesn’t count, since we already have.
 
The poster who claims I lied about being a Catholic — I have never lied that I was born and confirmed a Catholic, nonetheless I am far from loyal to Rome.

I am now and will always be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Catholicism has many issues that keep me from ever coming back to it.

That poster issue is he does not like here someone has a issue as I do doctrinally with Catholicism.
 
So, then, welcome back. And now, would you care to address the topic of this thread, which you started? As other posters have noted, one document in particular (Lumen Gentium, cited above), in paragraph 8 states that
This is the one Church of Christ which in the Creed is professed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic, (12*) which our Saviour, after His Resurrection, commissioned Peter to shepherd,(74) and him and the other apostles to extend and direct with authority,(75) which He erected for all ages as “the pillar and mainstay of the truth”.(76) This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him (13*)
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Now, would you mind telling us (using the format above which is, document name, paragraph where statement is found, and then copy out the statement for us to read) which document flat out contradicts this statement by saying the Church is NOT The Church of Christ?
 
thecourt said:
The poster who claims I lied about being a Catholic — I have never lied that I was born and confirmed a Catholic, nonetheless I am far from loyal to Rome.

I am now and will always be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Catholicism has many issues that keep me from ever coming back to it.

That poster issue is he does not like here someone has a issue as I do doctrinally with Catholicism.
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Here is your post. (Bolding mine)
thecourt said:
I am a former Mormon living in the metro Phoenix area preparing to return to Seattle area as soon as possible due to my work. I have always been a Catholic, fortunately I am grateful for this site and outside resources available for those folks like me who wish to strengthen their faith in the church and remain active.

Whether it is Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses or whatever church trying to convert us will always work to do that, I know this is my home regarding my faith always.
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Are you saying you that you never made the above post? Be careful before you answer, because all of your posts are under your profile.

Why the lie? If you have a bone to pick with the Catholic Church, fine. You’re not the only one. But be upfront and honest about it.

Coming in here making a statement like you have, and not being able to, or refusing to substantiate it is wrong, and you know it.

People have told you over and over on this thread that the Vatican II documents do not state what you think they do. If we/they are in error, please provide the reference. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think you need to come clean with the whole thing. The truth will set you free.

Another mormon poster on this board tried that, and it didn’t work for him, and it won’t work for you either. He is much more careful about what he says now, and you should be also.

Just provide the reference in the Vatican II documents, or admit the deceit. Those are your choices.
 
ThuriferAcolyte said:
His previous posts are actually entertaining.
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I know. I am seeing a trend from his posts that he will never be on the same page as Catholics.

Which is fine. Alot of people feel that way. But back up the claims that you make in the forum thread you create. If you can’t, then say so, apologize, and move on.

Behavior like this does nothing for the OP’s reputation or credibility unfortunately.
 
thecourt said:
The poster who claims I lied about being a Catholic — I have never lied that I was born and confirmed a Catholic, nonetheless I am far from loyal to Rome.

I am now and will always be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Catholicism has many issues that keep me from ever coming back to it.

That poster issue is he does not like here someone has a issue as I do doctrinally with Catholicism.
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Well if that’s the case why did you say you were a former Mormon in this post???
thecourt said:
I am a former Mormon living in the metro Phoenix area preparing to return to Seattle area as soon as possible due to my work. I have always been a Catholic, fortunately I am grateful for this site and outside resources available for those folks like me who wish to strengthen their faith in the church and remain active.

Whether it is Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses or whatever church trying to convert us will always work to do that, I know this is my home regarding my faith always.
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Looks like you’re lying somewhere.
 
Yet another thread started and abandoned by the OP.

Without providing any documentation of any kind.

:eek: 🤷
 
thecourt said:
All of you who claim I am being dishonest can look at the official Vatican 2 documents for yourselves. I do not need to prove anything.
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Well, perhaps you can at least narrow the search for us. Is it in the Conciliar Documents or the Post-conciliar Documents? I own copies of both, so I wil gladly post the quote here if you will direct me to it.

I assume you would know since you have obviously read it for yourself. :rolleyes:
 
The OP is a common Mormon/JW/SDA urban legend. Unfortunately, Mormons tend to believe without question anything that is “faith-promoting”, even if it makes no sense at all.

And Mormons lie. That is the one thing you can always count on from Mormons. thecourt is a particularly pathetic example.
 
PaulDupre said:
The OP is a common Mormon/JW/SDA urban legend. Unfortunately, Mormons tend to believe without question anything that is “faith-promoting”, even if it makes no sense at all.

And Mormons lie. That is the one thing you can always count on from Mormons. thecourt is a particularly pathetic example.
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🍿:extrahappy:This is one of the funniest threads ever! I think this week court should join the JW add to his collection.
 
thecourt said:
All of you who claim I am being dishonest can look at the official Vatican 2 documents for yourselves. I do not need to prove anything.

Did Catholicism finally years reveal what Martin Luther and other reformers knew? That Catholicism was not the church established by Jesus Christ.

For me, it goes beyond the Vatican 2 documents. The authority is one example — no one on the forums can tell me honestly that from Benedict XVI to every other priest, cardinal, or priest received the authority from Christ. Do not tell the talk about the “feeling” they had to decide to become a priest. A feeling to me does not give any of them grounds to take something that is not their for the taking - receiving the priesthood.

Another example is revelation — does Benedict XVI receive revelation? I forgot that you folks believe the heavens are closed and revelation is not needed now.

I could give other examples, nonetheless I grateful despite the hatred on the forums here and the out and out dishonest and unfactual statements about what my church believes.

And yet, some of you try to tell me that my church is false and I need to come to a church that from its on official Vatican 2 documents is not what it professed.
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Actually you DO need to provide evidence of this and documentation. If you are going to claim something - back it up with evidence.

Feel free to PM me your documentation - until then - this thread is closed.
 
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