Why Eastern Catholicism

[spina1953]

It seems to me that Eastern Catholic Churches have their own canon while they are in union with the Church in Rome. From the many posts I’ve read over time The Pope nor Rome in general try to make Eastern Rite Churches follow the Latin Rite Canon and allow them their traditions. I agree with those who posted that the Catholic Church is more Charitable towards the Orthodox who are not in union with Rome. Its true that many of the Eastern Rite Churches in union with Rome are closer to Orthodox teachings, but so far I know and understand Rome does not interfere with Eastern Catholic’s nor say they have to say the Filoque in the Creed or Purgatory or Lmmaculate Conception. Since Eastern Catholic Churches are in union with Rome anyone can transfer to any Rite that is in union with Rome. Lastly It seems to me the main difference between the Catholic Church as a whole that is with all Eastern Rite Catholic’s and that of the Orthodox Churches is more one of politic’s and religious theology .

 

[Spyridon]

The Eastern Churches do have their own canon Law.

The CCEO - Code of Canons of the Churches of the East.

Also, the Eastern Churches were exhorted to avoid Latinizations and to cling to or restore their Eastern patrimony by the Vatican II document “Orientalium Ecclesiarum”.

 

[dvdjs]

Here in Pittsburgh

Not sure about how long your “never” entails. Probably not so long.
How nice that the past, which was very troubled, now seems so long gone.

 

[AlNg]

The papacy is the only difference between Eastern Catholic Christians and Eastern Orthodox Catholic Christians.

Do Eastern Catholics believe in mortal and venial sin and the difference between them?

 

[NotMyOwn]

Yes. Though it’s more nuanced. I feel like even the Orthodox do in a way… There’re sins that make people unworthy to receive the Eucharist, while others do not do so.

 

[pacloc]

Yes, I don’t know where the idea that there are not levels of sin comes from other than some Protestant teachings. Our Priest seemed to think that the Church did not teach a difference between Mortal and other sin, I’m guessing it is carried over from his Protestant background. In reality I’m sure that he does know there is a difference between adultery and lust for example, but those old feelings of going against everything RC might mess up the terminology.

 

[NotMyOwn]

With SOC, this went all the way to the top, and throughout the whole organization. Plus this was fairly recent, and the times around WWII were nuts anyway. It in no way justifies it, and the Church should have called them to account. Did it not?

The Church needs to call them to account. Period. This is why I’m for Unity and Accountability.

 

[AlNg]

How does what you said there add anything? Genocide is a grave moral evil.

Yes it is. However, it appears that some people have forgotten about Croatia during WWII or they try to diminish the gravity of what happened then.

the times around WWII were nuts anyway.

Of course I oppose genocide and ethnic cleansing.

 

[NotMyOwn]

I flagged that post for a delete as soon as I had posted and gone back again to read again what you had written. Yeah, it’s tragic. What happened should not be downplayed, and awareness should be raised about what happened. It can never happen again.

I just wish that those who were responsible were still alive to give an account for what they have done.

 

[dvdjs]

Yes it is. However, it appears that some people have forgotten about Croatia during WWII or they try to diminish the gravity of what happened then.

What are your historical sources for what happened in Croatia during WWII?

 

[AlNg]

There are many. You might try:
44 Months in Jasenovac
by Egon Berger
ISBN-13: 978-0998694825
Also see the various articles in the jewish virtual library
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jasenovac-camp
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jasenovac-road-lined-with-corpses
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ante-pavelic
and many books.
There are many articles online available. Too many to list.

 

[dvdjs]

You might try

Thanks for these sources.
There are good sources and bad on this subject.

 

[AlNg]

Thanks for these sources

For a short article see:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/1673249.stm
or
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4479837.stm
There are also the wikipedia articles on this

Genocide of Serbs in the Independent State of Croatia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ustaše - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Jasenovac concentration camp - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Miroslav Filipović - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I am pretty sure that you don’t like the books by Edmond Paris and Vladimir Dedjer, but I guess you would like a book by Richard Pattee “the Case of Cardinal Aloysius Stepinac” which is very favorable toward Cardinal Stepinac and gives examples of cases where he tried to help Serbs.

 

[FatherSebastian]

Eastern Catholics are Eastern Orthodox. The questions is not about being Orthodox, that’s not really an option, unless you want to be heterodox. The question is in or out of the Catholic Communion, in which are the Melkite, Ukrainian, Roman, Coptic, etc., Catholic particular Churches.

Fr. Sebastian
steliasmelkite.org
Los Gatos, CA

 

[Profete]

Eastern Catholics are not Eastern Orthodox. Eastern Catholics are bleeding wound on the Body of Christ, as Moscow Patriarchate calls it, and as pope Francis calls them, they were the mistake, a wrong approach to reunion, that will never repeat again.
In early 2000s, Schismatic Macedonian Orthodox Church (After being rejected by all Orthodox Patriarchate) actually offered Union to Rome, but Rome declined the offer, wanting to have good relations with Orthodoxy. Lol, Rome should have taken it’s chance and grabbed Macedonians when it had it’s chance. Because reunion is not happening. xD

 

[FatherSebastian]

Orthodox means Correct Belief. It is a word which appears numerous times
in our Vespers, Orthros (Matins), and Eucharistic Liturgies. We pray for
all “Orthodox Christians.” We pray for all “Orthodox Bishops.” We pray
for all “Orthodox Brethren who have gone before us and are now asleep in
the Lord.” I could go on but I think the point is clear. The Melkite
Catholic Church is the historic Church of Antioch. The Church of Antioch
never really got involved in the Great Schism, which was between Rome and
Constantinople. Antioch was never excommunicated by either of those
Churches during their tiff and Antioch never excommunicated them. In fact,
the patriarch of Antioch at the time wrote letter to Rome and
Constantinople chastising them for their behavior and encouraging them to
resolve there differences. Obviously, they never listened. What is called
the Antiochian Orthodox Church today was created by Constantinople just a
few centuries ago in response to politics at the time, but the Patriarchal
line of that Church is not the historic line. There are great books
written on the history of the Antiochian Church and these issues. I
recommend reading a few books on the subject to anyone who is unfamiliar
with anything I just said. Here is a good place to start. Serge Descy, The
Melkite Church.

Fr. Sebastian Carnazzo, PhD
steliasmelkite.org
Los Gatos, CA

 

[AlNg]

Eastern Catholics are Eastern Orthodox.

No, because my understanding is that most Eastern Orthodox Churches in the USA generally will not approve of Eastern Catholics receiving Holy Communion unless they convert to Eastern Orthodoxy. However, there may be some exceptions. The Eastern Orthodox conversion process can range from a simple act of faith, to a more complex statement renouncing your previous faith in some articles of Eastern Catholic belief touching on the papacy. .
Eastern Orthodox do not accept papal universal supremacy and papal infallibility.
But it should be noted that according to a recent poll, 74 percent of Russians, who are mostly Russian Orthodox, view the Catholic church with respect and benevolence.

https://www.euvolution.com/futurist...-50-percent-in-three-years-breitbart-news.php

 

[babochka]

FatherSebastian:

Eastern Catholics are Eastern Orthodox.

No, because my understanding is that most Eastern Orthodox Churches in the USA generally will not approve of Eastern Catholics receiving Holy Communion unless they convert to Eastern Orthodoxy.

Yes, because we define who we are. As right-believing Christians of the true faith, we have every right to the use of the name Orthodox.

The Orthodox are rightly known as “Orthodox Catholic”. An example is found the name of this parish: What's in the name? - Saint John the Baptist Russian Orthodox Church

I’m also sure that our ancestors wh built and named this cemeery would disagree with you.

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[AlNg]

Yes, because we define who we are. As right-believing Christians of the true faith, we have every right to the use of the name Orthodox.

Eastern Catholics have a liturgy similar to the Eastern Orthodox, but they are 100% Catholic and they are not 100% Eastern Orthodox. The proof is that an Eastern Catholic priest is not permitted to celebrate Divine Liturgy in an Eastern Orthodox church or setting. AFAIK, it is not permitted for and Eastern Catholic priest and an Eastern Orthodox priest to concelebrate Mass together. Just as a Roman Catholic priest cannot celebrate Mass in an Eastern Orthodox Church. There are two Churches. One is Catholic and one is Eastern Orthodox. The two churches are not united at this time.
Here is an official statement from Bishop John A. Elya of the Melkite Greek Catholic Church: In answer to a question as to whether Melkite Catholics are Orthodox united with Rome:
" To be a Catholic Christian means that one accepts the primacy of the Pope of Rome, because he is the successor of St. Peter. To be an Orthodox Christian means that one does not recognize the primacy of the Pope of Rome, but considers him as “first among equals.”"
"
https://melkite.org/tag/rome

Regardless of what you call yourself, if you are a member of the Catholic Church united with Rome, you are not a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church in communion with and united to His All Holiness Patriarch Bartholomew.