That is not correct. That is, it is certainly not unequivocal. the word for “Mighty God” or “od the Mighty” was used to refer to princes, kings and generally people who held power.
Who is the person these verses are referring to whose empire shall be multiplied and there shall be no end of peace? When and where does this kingdom exist?
It proves that Paul did not find your Torah contradictory to the doctrine of Trinity.
**Are you by any chance aware that the Egyptians of the time of the Pharaohs would refer to Pharaoh as Wonder-Counselor, God-Hero, Father-Forever, Prince of Peace? They did. And to a certain extent, also the Romans would thus refer to Caesar Augustus. Do you think they literally meant what they claimed? Of course not! They knew that they were men and they saw them dying like a man.
**And we discussing about particular truths using bibles that we don’t both recognize as true simply makes no sense, isn’t it?
It is not an opposite because Jesus is descendant from the tribe of Judah. Jesus is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets, therefore in him and with him Psalms 78:67-70 and 1 Kings 11:36 were fulfilled. He is the king spoken of in the books and by the prophets.
God helps us understand. The analogy was made so that as Paul said, the Gentiles would not boast in conceits. For the blindness that was struck upon Israel would only be until the Gentiles have entered in. And as Jesus said, then there would be only one shepherd for both the Gentiles and the Jews. But the first would be last, and the last would be first.
What Nazarene synagogues in Galatia are you talking about.No synagogue is mentioned there. Let’s read Galatians 1:1-6 together,
In other words, now you are saying that Jesus did not come to fulfill the law but to build fences for the law. Unfortunately, building fences for the law is not written in the bible as one of the purposes for the coming of Christ.
Jesus Himself is the meaning and interpretation of what he taught. Jesus did not respond violence with violence.
Sure, in your Torah we can never find there that Jesus built a Church. But Christians are happy to know that in the bible the truth is written that Christ built a Church.Jesus never built a church. What he built became known as the Sect of the Nazarenes. The Church was built by Paul, and you never forget to give the credit to whom the credit is due.
Ben:
**That’s an interpolation by the Fathers of the Church in 327 CE, with the purpose to document the Church with Apostolical credibility. Peter never had anything to do with Christianity. Peter was a Nazarene and a religious Jew to be involved with so much non-Jewish stuff.
**He is Judah. Read Isaiah 8:8
Hello, Valke2! I am coming back on the holy Trinity according to Paul, as I was trying to remember of any verses but somehow couldn’t. And Paul talks so much about Jesus as the Christ (“Messiah”) that when he mentions something about the 3 persons of the Holy Trinity, we might either not notice it or forget it. Also, the way he mentions it seems to not be in the forefront of the topics of his letters, so it seems to have been understood and accepted by the Christians in those places a while ago.
Ben, are those quotations explicit enough for those outside of Judaism (and maybe for some inside Judaism as well—if the saying “Two Jews, three opinions” is true even there) not to have a shadow of a doubt on their meaning?**Are you by any chance aware that the Egyptians of the time of the Pharaohs would refer to Pharaoh as Wonder-Counselor, God-Hero, Father-Forever, Prince of Peace? They did. And to a certain extent, also the Romans would thus refer to Caesar Augustus. Do you think they literally meant what they claimed? Of course not! They knew that they were men and they saw them dying like a man.
Now, allow me to tell you that Judah, after Israel was removed from existence remained in a better condition. We do die individually, but the People who derived from that Judah will never die. Why? Because if they died out, the natural laws would go berserk. (Jer. 31:35-37) And how about the other nations or peoples? Yes, eventually they will die out but Israel will never. (Jer. 46:28). Besides, the text in I Kings 11:36 states that God promised David that Judah would remain forever.
Please, do not post back statements that imply I am making up things if you don’t want to bother checking the quotations. Everything is down in the Scriptures. Thanks you.
Ben:
Ahem!..**Show me in your own NT that Jesus built a church. You must be kidding!
Ben:**
Not really “additions”, Ben, unless you include “some precisions” among what is conveyed by “additions”.
.The issue was about the bible passage that substantially says the kingdom of God being taken away from the Jews and given to a people yielding its fruits.
In short, you mean to say now that Jesus did not come *to build fences for the law.
No kidding. We have a record of it in our NT. Here,Show me in your own NT that Jesus built a church. You must be kidding!
Ben:
Isaiah 8:8
**Great! You found Isaiah 8:8. Now, if you read verses 6 and 7, you will see that "He that will overflow is Assyria, when they came for Judah, the People. They were so many that they overflew and stretched their wings throughout the breadth of the Land. But they did not succeed to shoot even a single arrow at Jerusalem. Mysteriously, they had to return. Plato said that it was because of a plague of rats that killed many of them. They returned to Assyria and soon later came back for Israel instead, according to Isaiah 9:8. God had spared Judah because of His promise to David that He would. (I Kings
**When the word Judah was used in Isaiah 8:8, it referred to place. When we read the word “Jews” it refers to people. Therefore, when place is referred to, let us take it as place and not as people. And when people is referred to, then let us take it as people and not as place. That way we would not mix-up things.**Great! You found Isaiah 8:8. Now, if you read verses 6 and 7, you will see that "He that will overflow is Assyria, when they came for Judah, the People. They were so many that they overflew and stretched their wings throughout the breadth of the Land. But they did not succeed to shoot even a single arrow at Jerusalem. Mysteriously, they had to return. Plato said that it was because of a plague of rats that killed many of them. They returned to Assyria and soon later came back for Israel instead, according to Isaiah 9:8. God had spared Judah because of His promise to David that He would. (I Kings
11:36)
Now, you say that’s Judah, the place and not the people. Then I ask, who was in Judah, the place? The Jews, right? Right. That’s the child who was born out of the virgin Israel if you read Isaiah 7:14,15,22. And that the virgin was Israel, you can read in Amos 5:2.
Ben:
**What a great wisdom you have! When Isaiah says in 1:1 that the whole book is about a vision he had concerning Judah and Jerusalem, it’s about the place, not the people. When God promised David to spare Judah for his sake so that Judah would remain forever as a Lamp in Jerusalem, that’s the place and not the people. When Isaiah speaks about the new Israel from the stock of Judah, he means the stock of the land and not of the people. (Isa. 48:1 ) When Jacob said that the scepter will never depart from Judah until Shiloh comes, he meant from the land not the people. (Gen. 49:10) When Leah gave birth to Judah, it was the land, and not a son. Should I continue or you have got the idea? I am impressed with your wisdom.
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