Why Elohim if God is Absolutely One?

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And God swore to King David that He would always remain faithful to him (David), that if his descendance would “walk in His presence”, that the throne of the Kingdom would always remain his descendants’, forever. He also swore (was it to King Solomon in the inauguration or through the ministry of Prophet Isaiah or Jeremiah?) that His Temple would be a house of prayer for ALL peoples.
But King Solomon messed it all out with his infidelities, building temples for false divinities, then the break-up happened, and the sons of Solomon would reign only on Judah and Benjamin (the kingdom of Judah)
 
And then, because the kings of Judah (except a few) remained unfaithful to the only true God, the Temple of Jerusalem was destroyed, and the Judeans were exiled in Babylon.
Then after a while Israel came back to her Land. Exile has deepened their understanding of God, and their view of God’s mercy has deepened, and the faith of the Sons of Israel evolved…
 
Lapell said:
And then, because the kings of Judah (except a few) remained unfaithful to the only true God, the Temple of Jerusalem was destroyed, and the Judeans were exiled in Babylon.
Then after a while Israel came back to her Land. Exile has deepened their understanding of God, and their view of God’s mercy has deepened, and the faith of the Sons of Israel evolved…
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Remember the lessons of the exile to Babylon, always!
 
Hey Ben:

Before I answer your question, as you do, let me ask you a question. How many religious forums are you currently involved with? As you seem to be 46-47 year old, which one do you have the must difficulty with proselytizing? Where have you been?

Enjoy!
 
Lapell said:
Here I adamantly say to you: No, Ben, for heaven’s sake! You must know what a heresy is. There were many “gospels” written in the beginnings of the Church. Not all of them ended up making the canon of the New Testament! Most of them were declared plainly false doctrine, others were considered not fit to help the faithful advance in their faith and on God’s paths.Those were what Paul was refering to, not the Gospel preached by the Apostles!
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**I am well aware that there were many gospels written in the beginning of the Church. And that most of them did not make into the Canon of the NT. Not a single one of the gospels of the Apostles made into the Canon, because they were too controversial vis-a-vis the writings of Paul and his disciples.

The other gospels could not make into the Canon of the NT because they would give the impression of two different Jesuses. How I wish I could get my hands on any of those gospels! They were among others, the gospel of James, the gospel of Judah, the gospel of Barnabas, the gospel of Mary Magdalene, and mny others. Only the Hellenistic gospels got to be approved.**
 
Lapell said:
The “gospel according to Mary Magdalene”, for instance, is one such false gospel. Same with the “gospel according to Judas” which inspired the rock opera Jesus Christ Superstar… False teaching is rampant, Ben. False testimony on TV also (not just in the news) despite God condemning such thing. They see no immediate punishment, so they all take a chance for the glory of a moment which compared to eternity is very tiny. There WILL be a Last Judgment, Ben. That you don’t see doesn’t mean there won’t be any. I haven’t seen the Land of Israel in person, but I am certain of its existence, and you are living there, don’t you! It does exist. My not seeing it doesn’t change a thing, does it?!
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Read II Corinthians 11 and Galatians 1 and you will understand that Paul was referring to the gospel of the Apostles of Jesus.
 
Lapell said:
How come you believe God exists, Ben? Have you ever seen Him? And yet, you proclaim with your people that He does exist, and you proclaim the Torah (and the rest of the TaNaKH) because you are convinced it’s the Truth, don’t you?
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Your question is not very good. God cannot be seen. God is Incorporeal. I believe in God because something or someone must have created the Unirverse; and I am sure it was not man.
 
Wildkit said:
Hey Ben:

Before I answer your question, as you do, let me ask you a question. How many religious forums are you currently involved with? As you seem to be 46-47 year old, which one do you have the must difficulty with proselytizing? Where have you been?

Enjoy!
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The Catholics. When they run out of “juice” they hide behind the wings of the Church. And it is too hard to fight the institution.
 
Ben_Masada said:
What makes you think the Chief Priests of before Jesus
had no idea about the absolutely unity of God? As I can see, you still need a lot to know about what being Jewish is all about. I would recomend you the book “The Guid for the Perplexed” by Moses Maimonides. You would have no doubt afterwards.
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Wildkit said:
Hey Ben:

Before I answer your question, as you do, let me ask you a question. How many religious forums are you currently involved with? As you seem to be 46-47 year old, which one do you have the must difficulty with proselytizing? Where have you been?

Enjoy!
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Wildkit said:
Ben:

This is a long thread and I tried to see if I missed this point that I felt would have been brought up, and it likely has,…but I missed it. Genesis 1:26 “Then God said, let us make men in our image”. How exactly did the chosen people interpret or understand this?

I myself heard the best explanation from St. Patrick and the 3 leaf clover example. But the question is to you.

Some people like to run their mouth. As Gottle of Greer remarked, your next advertisement is not appropriate, but then I see this is not the only web site that you express your and only your opinions.

But to the point, I don’t know how I would have explained this statement if this Jew, Jesus Christ, didn’t come along and educate me today versus if I lived in 700 BC, or maybe 33 AD? You and I have the benefit of 2000 years along with communication capability that is nearly world wide. How does one explain this passage, (and there are others as well referring to a plural deity, but one in being), how does one explain this today? I know I as the chief priest before Christ would have no idea!

Enjoy in a different understanding! 🙂
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In another respect, I hope I have/had some lineage to the fore fathers that my Lord spoke directly to. As the little that I do know, up until the time of Christ, I am not aware of any prophet describing or discussing anything about “the absolute unity of God”.

Yet Ben, as you have an answer for everything, could you please direct me to what I missed for the Bible? I recall Exodus 20:2, “I am the Lord thy God”. How does that equate with Genesis 1:26 and who “our image” refers to? I don’t think he gave any clues to Moses, Abraham or other prophets?

With respect to Abu Amran Musa (Moses Maimonides), I might take up the suggestion to read your suggestion, yet I question if he represents all of Judaism’s understanding of things versus neo platonic underpinnings, as you seem to be so diametrically concerned with. Yet, as provided to you on this on the numerous forums you are seemingly on, answers do not mean anything. To seemingly be right in your own mind is what is important and to read what you say is the answer.

So I repeat my question, can you direct me to anything in the Bible directing me to discussion about the question of “the absolute unity of God”, and how they taught Genesis1:26? And this guy, St. Patrick, was he Jewish?

As an aside, with your debates, how does CA compare to other sites?
 
Ben_Masada said:
Your question is not very good. God cannot be seen. God is Incorporeal. I believe in God because something or someone must have created the Unirverse; and I am sure it was not man.
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You haven<t quite answered my second question, though! For to believe that God exists doesn’t necessarily mean you would proclaim the God of Israel as as the observant members of your people do, does it.
 
Ben_Masada said:
The Catholics. When they run out of “juice” they hide behind the wings of the Church. And it is too hard to fight the institution.
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This does not mean that we don’t do well to do so, Ben. Do the Jews not do well to proclaim one God? This was proclaimed by other Jews before them and by the Israelites even before, and that was more than 3,000 years ago. Why do you hide behind the wings of this statement that your forefathers have transmitted to the Jews of today?
 
Ben_Masada said:
Read II Corinthians 11 and Galatians 1 and you will understand that Paul was referring to the gospel of the Apostles of Jesus.
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Here you ARE off tracks, Ben. Nothing doing. Someone with prejudices will believe from one or two things, maybe even a couple more, that it means what he thinks it means, maybe with the help of an inner desire for that other faith to be disproved. Sorry! Many Church leaders may have had serious flaws, but as to the Church teachings on faith and morals (I mean here what the Magisterium of the Church teaches), it’s all true. No errors, through God’s grace. Sorry!
 
Lapell said:
Here you ARE off tracks, Ben. Nothing doing. Someone with prejudices will believe from one or two things, maybe even a couple more, that it means what he thinks it means, maybe with the help of an inner desire for that other faith to be disproved. Sorry! Many Church leaders may have had serious flaws, but as to the Church teachings on faith and morals (I mean here what the Magisterium of the Church teaches), it’s all true. No errors, through God’s grace. Sorry!
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And you told us that you are not a rabbi nor a scholar. And that contrary to most Jews, you don’t believe in an afterlife.
I don’t see from the texts you have quoted how you came to reach the conclusions you are holding. I frankly don’t. Since you go by Bible alone, you should know that many could reach a position different from yours even by the Bible alone. Just mentionning the texts does not indeed tell us how YOU have reached your conclusions. Can you then tell us about it?
 
You want us to believe you on blind faith going just by what you are telling us. In other words, you are just blowing your own horn! If you say that you really are interested in the Truth, telling us how you reach the conclusions you do should not be a bad thing for you to do…
 
Ben_Masada said:
Read II Corinthians 11 and Galatians 1 and you will understand that Paul was referring to the gospel of the Apostles of Jesus.
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Oh no, Ben! You are off the tracks on this one. You would like us to believe that Paul and the Apostles were not following the same Jesus. Sure, Paul used to persecute the Church. But after having met the resurrected Jesus on his way to Damascus, he became a member of the Church. Nazarenes or Christians, it’s all the same.
 
Ben_Masada said:
I am aware of the use of Elohim to indicate plurality in people, but in God the “im” of Elohim indicates no plurality. Ephraim as the Ten Tribes could have indicated plurality but not in the individual son of Jacob. This is just an example that “im” in Hebrew is not an absolute rule of plurality.
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I agree with you. Elohim in Ps 45:6-7 is being applied to the Son of God according to Trinitarians. However I have never heard a reasonable explanation from those of them who insist elohim when used of God is a plurality of persons.

Dan
 
Lapell said:
You haven<t quite answered my second question, though! For to believe that God exists doesn’t necessarily mean you would proclaim the God of Israel as as the observant members of your people do, does it.
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How does the observant of my People proclaim the God of Israel? Would you enlighten me?
 
Lapell said:
Here you ARE off tracks, Ben. Nothing doing. Someone with prejudices will believe from one or two things, maybe even a couple more, that it means what he thinks it means, maybe with the help of an inner desire for that other faith to be disproved. Sorry! Many Church leaders may have had serious flaws, but as to the Church teachings on faith and morals (I mean here what the Magisterium of the Church teaches), it’s all true. No errors, through God’s grace. Sorry!
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Really! How do you explain the late Pope John 23rd asking forgiveness from the Jewish People for the error of the Church to falsely accuse the Jewish People with having crucified Jesus? He asked to forgive Christianity and not the gospel writer. It means that the Church was the one to err by adding the interpolation or forgery to the gospel. Why would a Pope ask forgiveness if it was not an error of the Church?
 
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